Koh Tao: Trial opens for 2 accused of killing British tourists

[eliotness]

A bit of info from different sources on the hoe most people would of seen by now ,

I find it interesting that Mon and a policeman told the cleaner to put gloves on and put the hoe back on the crime, scene personally i think some one may have asked him to give it a good clean first.

Police tried to manipulate Koh Tao witness, court told

U Oh confirmed he was the owner of the garden hoe, which is alleged to have been used as the murder weapon in the case, Aung Myo Thant said.

A police officer had earlier testified that the hoe was used to murder the victims, then the blood-stained tool was placed under a bag and discarded on the beach.

But U Oh testified that the hoe was in the same place he left it the night before, the lawyer said.

Also, police cajoled him to say he washed off the blood from the hoe. However, that is not what he told the judge. He said that he had not paid any attention to the hoe and was not aware of whether there was any blood on it or not.

The defence team previously requested the DNA sample to be re-examined by Thailands top forensic expert, Dr Pornthip Rojanasunand.

https://www.dvb.no/news/police-tried-to-manipulate-koh-tao-witness-court-told/54664

Lack of Evidence, Local Media Coverage Adds to Mystery of Koh Tao Murder

Last week, a partially blind Burmese beach cleaner told the court he spotted the garden hoe at the scene before police arrived, and returned the tool to its normal spot nearby. Upon police's request, he later retrieved the hoe, which he said he was unaware was covered in blood.

The garden hoe yielded no DNA traces and no fingerprints, according to police, said the defendants lawyer, Nakhon Chompuchat. But we think there should be something left.

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1436774626&typecate=06&section=

Another online source

They also asked why officers took many hours to seal off the crime scene.

Chasit Yoohat, 51, a private doctor from Koh Tao Clinic who was called to the scene, and Montriwat Tuwichean, 46, who owns a bungalow and restaurant named In Touch, who called police, also testified Wednesday.

Court orders retesting of evidence in Koh Tao murder case

Police believe a garden hoe which came from the resort and was found leaning against a tree near the crime scene, was used to bludgeon both victims.

After arriving at the crime scene around 5.40am O admitted removing the hoe from next to the tree and taking it back to a vegetable garden inside the resort where he worked.

Around half an hour later he said he was approached by the resorts boss and a policeman who told him to put on a pair of gloves and return it to the scene, which he did.

- See more at: http://www.mizzima.c...L.z6wn9MP5.dpuf

Crime scene blunder stopped murder weapon DNA test

Another Burmese migrant worker, known as O, who worked at a local resort, told the second day of the murder trial, which is being held on the nearby island of Koh Samui, that he was first to stumble across the bodies. He said he owned the heavy hoe that police say was used to kill the Britons, and had taken it away from the scene.

I saw my hoe [near the slain holidaymakers] and took it back to my vegetable garden, he told the court.

The defence questioned how he had failed to notice blood on the hoe but he said it had been too dark.

Police eventually found the tool hidden by rubbish bags in the garden of the resort where he worked.

http://www.thetimes....icle4493211.ece

I find it strange that a guy with poor eyesight was able to say that he knew it was his hoe, but he never saw the blood because it was not yet daylight. We have 4 hoes at home (we have a farm) and they are all pretty much alike. If I was walking down our road and saw a hoe by the side of the road, sure I'd pick it up, but I'd only be able to guess it might be one of mine when I'd checked the shed. Unless it had very distinctive features or writing on it one hoe pretty much looks like another and certainly the one in the photos looked very much like a bog-standard hoe.

[IslandLover]

Not sure if anyone replied to a question I posted, but what is your view on the blond hair found in Hannah's hand? I'm assuming it wasnt her own

Whoever the hair sample belonged to, no significance appears to have been attached to it by the RTP or the court. An early report claimed that the forensic labs had been unable to extract any DNA from it - despite a recent report saying the hair sample had the root attached. During the reporting of the trial, it is said to be one of the items that has been "lost", "used up", "destroyed" or whatever, and an RTP official said words to the effect that he only thought it was blond because it appeared blond to him. So......

It is unbelievable that more importance hasn't been given to this hair sample (if it wasn't Hannah's own hair of course). A single strand of hair can reveal so much, not only DNA, but the presence of drugs in the system and even which countries that person has recently visited (source: BBC documentary on forensic science broadcast last week on British television).

As to an RTP officer stating publicly after the B2 were arrested on October 2nd that one of the suspects had recently dyed his hair from blond to black after the murders (it is assumed he was referring to Wai Phyo who has appeared in old photographs with reddish blond highlights in his hair), well this is pure BS as the CCTV footage of the B3 on the night before the murders clearly shows all three of them with black hair.

[GOLDBUGGY]

Quick call for help with poster design for upcoming campaign

17 Jul 2015 — Hello everyone. We are about to launch a new campaign to pressure the Thai authorities into releasing Win and Zaw and immediately reopening the investigation on Koh Tao to find and bring the real monsters that committed these horrible crimes to justice. To do this, we need the help of someone with good design skills that can help us with poster design and creation.

If you have any experience or skills with poster design and can help us, it would be very much appreciated. https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-independently-investigate-the-horrific-murders-of-hannah-witheridge-and-david-miller/u/11424656?tk=2VYDyXv8_a27zaoE1M2ifuKt5ReKRMD8u8ufI1WiS_Q&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email

I know theres no chance of this happening but still it get the publicity rolling on which can only be good news

P.S. Don't think this is aimed at the likes of GB or JTJ

IF the person doing this Campaign knows 100 % sure they are innocent shouldn't he pass the evidence to the defense rather than launching a poster campaign ?

Good Point Tony! If they has so much evidence that they are so sure the accused are innocent, then why don't they pass it on to the Defensive Team? Especially when we are only 3 days into this trial and the Defense Team hasn't called one of their own witnesses yet.

Or maybe they are afraid of the evidence the Prosecution has, and realize they stand about as much chance of disputing that as a One Legged Man in an Ass Kicking Contest? Don't know!

[stephenterry]

Your opinions are always welcome, GB. I print them off (on cheap paper), and make paper planes out of them. I have two squadrons ready to dispatch from my condo apartment. Hopefully they will quieten the Karaoke below.

I won't tell you what kind of paper I print your opinions on, but let me give you a hint. "Royal Flush!"

ah so your drains are blocked just like your mind .

[balo]

I'd like to ask the few folks here who think B2 did this.. Why is Mon seen in photos stalking Sean in the 7-11? Sean was hiding behind the counter pleading for help and saying if he was killed it was Mon.... So, why would Sean make this up? What's the motivation there? Why is Sean avoiding this like The Plague? Because there is a more than credible threat on his life if he doesn't cooperate.

This has been discussed several times in the past. Mon and his police friend suspected that Sean could be the killer and tried to ask him a few questions . Sean got scared, possibly under the influence of drugs and alcohol, he had been out drinking in the bar all night. He ended up in 7 eleven where he took the famous pictures.

This is plausible story , just like the story about Mon trying to frame Sean and protect the "mafia" family.

Which one do you want to believe in ?

[StealthEnergiser]

A bit of info from different sources on the hoe most people would of seen by now ,

I find it interesting that Mon and a policeman told the cleaner to put gloves on and put the hoe back on the crime, scene personally i think some one may have asked him to give it a good clean first.

Police tried to manipulate Koh Tao witness, court told

U Oh confirmed he was the owner of the garden hoe, which is alleged to have been used as the murder weapon in the case, Aung Myo Thant said.

A police officer had earlier testified that the hoe was used to murder the victims, then the blood-stained tool was placed under a bag and discarded on the beach.

But U Oh testified that the hoe was in the same place he left it the night before, the lawyer said.

Also, police cajoled him to say he washed off the blood from the hoe. However, that is not what he told the judge. He said that he had not paid any attention to the hoe and was not aware of whether there was any blood on it or not.

The defence team previously requested the DNA sample to be re-examined by Thailands top forensic expert, Dr Pornthip Rojanasunand.

https://www.dvb.no/news/police-tried-to-manipulate-koh-tao-witness-court-told/54664

Lack of Evidence, Local Media Coverage Adds to Mystery of Koh Tao Murder

Last week, a partially blind Burmese beach cleaner told the court he spotted the garden hoe at the scene before police arrived, and returned the tool to its normal spot nearby. Upon police's request, he later retrieved the hoe, which he said he was unaware was covered in blood.

The garden hoe yielded no DNA traces and no fingerprints, according to police, said the defendants lawyer, Nakhon Chompuchat. But we think there should be something left.

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1436774626&typecate=06&section=

Another online source

They also asked why officers took many hours to seal off the crime scene.

Chasit Yoohat, 51, a private doctor from Koh Tao Clinic who was called to the scene, and Montriwat Tuwichean, 46, who owns a bungalow and restaurant named In Touch, who called police, also testified Wednesday.

Court orders retesting of evidence in Koh Tao murder case

Police believe a garden hoe which came from the resort and was found leaning against a tree near the crime scene, was used to bludgeon both victims.

After arriving at the crime scene around 5.40am O admitted removing the hoe from next to the tree and taking it back to a vegetable garden inside the resort where he worked.

Around half an hour later he said he was approached by the resorts boss and a policeman who told him to put on a pair of gloves and return it to the scene, which he did.

- See more at: http://www.mizzima.c...L.z6wn9MP5.dpuf

Crime scene blunder stopped murder weapon DNA test

Another Burmese migrant worker, known as O, who worked at a local resort, told the second day of the murder trial, which is being held on the nearby island of Koh Samui, that he was first to stumble across the bodies. He said he owned the heavy hoe that police say was used to kill the Britons, and had taken it away from the scene.

I saw my hoe [near the slain holidaymakers] and took it back to my vegetable garden, he told the court.

The defence questioned how he had failed to notice blood on the hoe but he said it had been too dark.

Police eventually found the tool hidden by rubbish bags in the garden of the resort where he worked.

http://www.thetimes....icle4493211.ece

I find it strange that a guy with poor eyesight was able to say that he knew it was his hoe, but he never saw the blood because it was not yet daylight. We have 4 hoes at home (we have a farm) and they are all pretty much alike. If I was walking down our road and saw a hoe by the side of the road, sure I'd pick it up, but I'd only be able to guess it might be one of mine when I'd checked the shed. Unless it had very distinctive features or writing on it one hoe pretty much looks like another and certainly the one in the photos looked very much like a bog-standard hoe.

No allegations just possiblity

Lets say we are dealing with a corrupt police officer and mon.

Photo's of the hoe with lots of blood on it were put on line very early in the morning and Mon and the Corrupt were not aware of this.

Mon and the Corrupt policeman were possibly the people that controlled the crime scene they found the murder weapon and also knew who the killer was that used the hoe they instructed another person to clean that hoe so that no DNA of the real killer.

The hoe was put back on the beach for forensics to test but no dna.

Later CSI had phot'os of a bloody hoe in the wrong area , Mon and the corrupt policeman had to lie when asked why was the hoe cleaned and moved.

They never wanted the hoes inspected so it has been reported that a shovel killed Hannah.

I think the forensic boss reported that the hoe had been used in the killings .

IF it was the B2s DNA why would they wash the hoe.?

[thailandchilli]

Quick call for help with poster design for upcoming campaign

17 Jul 2015 — Hello everyone. We are about to launch a new campaign to pressure the Thai authorities into releasing Win and Zaw and immediately reopening the investigation on Koh Tao to find and bring the real monsters that committed these horrible crimes to justice. To do this, we need the help of someone with good design skills that can help us with poster design and creation.

If you have any experience or skills with poster design and can help us, it would be very much appreciated. https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-independently-investigate-the-horrific-murders-of-hannah-witheridge-and-david-miller/u/11424656?tk=2VYDyXv8_a27zaoE1M2ifuKt5ReKRMD8u8ufI1WiS_Q&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email

I know theres no chance of this happening but still it get the publicity rolling on which can only be good news

P.S. Don't think this is aimed at the likes of GB or JTJ

IF the person doing this Campaign knows 100 % sure they are innocent shouldn't he pass the evidence to the defense rather than launching a poster campaign ?

Good Point Tony! If they has so much evidence that they are so sure the accused are innocent, then why don't they pass it on to the Defensive Team? Especially when we are only 3 days into this trial and the Defense Team hasn't called one of their own witnesses yet.

Or maybe they are afraid of the evidence the Prosecution has, and realize they stand about as much chance of disputing that as a One Legged Man in an Ass Kicking Contest? Don't know!

Thank you Uncle GoldBuggy, we're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view that must have taken a while for you to articulate into coherent words

[Rykbanlor]

Not sure if anyone replied to a question I posted, but what is your view on the blond hair found in Hannah's hand? I'm assuming it wasnt her own

One of the burmese is meant to of had blonde highlights then dyed it back after murder.

No, because we see that one on CCTV buying cigarettes, and his hair was black.

[Tony121]

Stealthenergiser click on the khao sod article and read corrections at the bottom your answers there

[Rykbanlor]

Based on the early reports and some pictures I thought it was a farang they knew because of how personal the attacks appeared to be on Hannah but regretfully there are some very close up pictures of her face and body on the internet and it doesn't at all seem to be anyone making a statement or it being personal (lack of better word). It was just brutal as one would suspect based on the weapons involved. In fact in one picture it shows tissue on the rocks behind her head that doesn't look at all to be splatter but looked like her head may have been bashed on the rock ... this is just shear speculation of course and makes me feel sick to speak and think about but when I saw the photos the material on the rock behind her head is was first jumped out at me as was the fact her face was covered in blood but didn't appear to have any injuries to her face. To be real clear, I didn't study the photos and looked fairly quickly as I stumbled across them doing a google search and had no motivation or desire to see them but when the popped up couldn't help but look for a moment and the two things that struck me was it not looking as personal as I had first been led to believe and the blood and tissue on the rock not looking like typical blood splatter patterns but certainly could have been. From what I saw and recall reading neither victim appeared to be killed in a way that would indicate overkill you often see in a rage or personal killing but seems clear somebody made sure she, and likely he, was dead.

In this instance John, I must disagree based on what I have seen with my own two eyes. David was beaten (and drowned) and was still pretty much intact. And without getting into graphic detail the same could not be said about poor Hannah. From what I saw, it was overkill, plain and simple, there is no other way to say it without being extremely distasteful. Not intact. It was a glaring difference between the two.

[thailandchilli]

Not sure if anyone replied to a question I posted, but what is your view on the blond hair found in Hannah's hand? I'm assuming it wasnt her own

One of the burmese is meant to of had blonde highlights then dyed it back after murder.

No, because we see that one on CCTV buying cigarettes, and his hair was black.

Agreed

[minikev]

I'd like to ask the few folks here who think B2 did this.. Why is Mon seen in photos stalking Sean in the 7-11? Sean was hiding behind the counter pleading for help and saying if he was killed it was Mon.... So, why would Sean make this up? What's the motivation there? Why is Sean avoiding this like The Plague? Because there is a more than credible threat on his life if he doesn't cooperate.

If you read this you will see he never says its mod He says he believes its people connected to him, and It says the alleged threats where made at the ac bar,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11113268/Terrified-Briton-flees-Thai-island-after-mafia-death-threat.html

Why would he say it was mod? It's not a scene from quadrophenia flppin heck read a little.

[StealthEnergiser]

Stealthenergiser click on the khao sod article and read corrections at the bottom your answers there

There is no answer there saying why was it cleaned of DNA look at the pictures the blood is not showing as much after the hoe being moved.

"The only evidence available for the re-examination approved by the Koh Samui court on Friday are the sharp garden hoe allegedly used in the murder, a shoe, sock, and bags from the scene. Last week, a partially blind Burmese beach cleaner told the court he spotted the garden hoe at the scene before police arrived, and returned the tool to its normal spot nearby. Upon police's request, he later retrieved the hoe, which he said he was unaware was covered in blood."

the hoe inspection starts around 1.04

[stephenterry]

A few of you are so naive. Do you think that the locals don't know who committed this crime? If the b2 had they would have been marched into police custody the following day. Any reasonable person would agree. It's logical that Thai thugs committed

[StealthEnergiser]

A bit of info from different sources on the hoe most people would of seen by now ,

I find it interesting that Mon and a policeman told the cleaner to put gloves on and put the hoe back on the crime, scene personally i think some one may have asked him to give it a good clean first.

Police tried to manipulate Koh Tao witness, court told

U Oh confirmed he was the owner of the garden hoe, which is alleged to have been used as the murder weapon in the case, Aung Myo Thant said.

A police officer had earlier testified that the hoe was used to murder the victims, then the blood-stained tool was placed under a bag and discarded on the beach.

But U Oh testified that the hoe was in the same place he left it the night before, the lawyer said.

Also, police cajoled him to say he washed off the blood from the hoe. However, that is not what he told the judge. He said that he had not paid any attention to the hoe and was not aware of whether there was any blood on it or not.

The defence team previously requested the DNA sample to be re-examined by Thailands top forensic expert, Dr Pornthip Rojanasunand.

https://www.dvb.no/news/police-tried-to-manipulate-koh-tao-witness-court-told/54664

Lack of Evidence, Local Media Coverage Adds to Mystery of Koh Tao Murder

Last week, a partially blind Burmese beach cleaner told the court he spotted the garden hoe at the scene before police arrived, and returned the tool to its normal spot nearby. Upon police's request, he later retrieved the hoe, which he said he was unaware was covered in blood.

The garden hoe yielded no DNA traces and no fingerprints, according to police, said the defendants lawyer, Nakhon Chompuchat. But we think there should be something left.

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1436774626&typecate=06&section=

Another online source

They also asked why officers took many hours to seal off the crime scene.

Chasit Yoohat, 51, a private doctor from Koh Tao Clinic who was called to the scene, and Montriwat Tuwichean, 46, who owns a bungalow and restaurant named In Touch, who called police, also testified Wednesday.

Court orders retesting of evidence in Koh Tao murder case

Police believe a garden hoe which came from the resort and was found leaning against a tree near the crime scene, was used to bludgeon both victims.

After arriving at the crime scene around 5.40am O admitted removing the hoe from next to the tree and taking it back to a vegetable garden inside the resort where he worked.

Around half an hour later he said he was approached by the resorts boss and a policeman who told him to put on a pair of gloves and return it to the scene, which he did.

- See more at: http://www.mizzima.c...L.z6wn9MP5.dpuf

Crime scene blunder stopped murder weapon DNA test

Another Burmese migrant worker, known as O, who worked at a local resort, told the second day of the murder trial, which is being held on the nearby island of Koh Samui, that he was first to stumble across the bodies. He said he owned the heavy hoe that police say was used to kill the Britons, and had taken it away from the scene.

I saw my hoe [near the slain holidaymakers] and took it back to my vegetable garden, he told the court.

The defence questioned how he had failed to notice blood on the hoe but he said it had been too dark.

Police eventually found the tool hidden by rubbish bags in the garden of the resort where he worked.

http://www.thetimes....icle4493211.ece

I find it strange that a guy with poor eyesight was able to say that he knew it was his hoe, but he never saw the blood because it was not yet daylight. We have 4 hoes at home (we have a farm) and they are all pretty much alike. If I was walking down our road and saw a hoe by the side of the road, sure I'd pick it up, but I'd only be able to guess it might be one of mine when I'd checked the shed. Unless it had very distinctive features or writing on it one hoe pretty much looks like another and certainly the one in the photos looked very much like a bog-standard hoe.

If the defense prove this is where the lies started and the crime scene was manipulated the b2 should be released immediately.

[stephenterry]

It. Why? Because that's what happened and it's so obvious to anyone with a brain.

[stephenterry]

Can you please not keep posting the same lengthy home post

[Rykbanlor]

I'd like to ask the few folks here who think B2 did this.. Why is Mon seen in photos stalking Sean in the 7-11? Sean was hiding behind the counter pleading for help and saying if he was killed it was Mon.... So, why would Sean make this up? What's the motivation there? Why is Sean avoiding this like The Plague? Because there is a more than credible threat on his life if he doesn't cooperate.

If you read this you will see he never says its mod He says he believes its people connected to him, and It says the alleged threats where made at the ac bar,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11113268/Terrified-Briton-flees-Thai-island-after-mafia-death-threat.html

Why would he say it was mod? It's not a scene from quadrophenia <deleted> read a little.

The question remains, as we saw Sean was very elusive in his interview in the back of a Songthaew, about questions being asked by Mon, and he was answering cos he was drunk, whilst in the AC bar, thus leading to the threats of hanging.

Why would Mon and police dude chase and threaten him? If they were not connected to the crime in anyway, and they didn't know who did it (because the B2 hadn't yet been fingered) why would they randomly select Sean as a scapegoat, what possible explanation could there be. Surely they would wait for the investigation to run it's course. Unless Sean did it, which he didn't because the Police would have scooped him up like a &lt;deleted&gt; pot of gold. Also, Sean might have been a jackass, but not entirely stupid. Why would he just start spreading rumours about these kind of guys for no reason?

[glenmohr]

All this is doing huge damage to Thailand's image abroad.

Let us examine the evidence carefully.

Thailand has a feudal patronage system whereby the wealthy and the elitists pay large ammounts of cash to people who are supposed to be police, supposed to be judges and supposed to be political leaders.

As a result of the above evidence, Thailand therefore does not have a justice system as is experienced elsewhere.

This tragedy has 4 victims. Two British and two Burmese.

To appease the current Thai leadership, the two Burmese may need to be sacrificed, their real crime is that they do not have money.

Let us hope that the international outrage over this unfortunate business will cause enough good Thais to be suitably embarrassed, and to work to change the system to avoid future outrage.

[sambum]

In reply to Thailandchilli Post#2732:-

I thought I read somewhere that neither Hannah or David smoked?

[thailandchilli]

In reply to Thailandchilli Post#2732:-

I thought I read somewhere that neither Hannah or David smoked?

Its reported that David smoked but as far as I know Hannah was not a smoker so why their would be her lipstick/dna on the cigarette butt is a mystery

[minikev]

Stealthenergiser click on the khao sod article and read corrections at the bottom your answers there

There is no answer there saying why was it cleaned of DNA look at the pictures the blood is not showing as much after the hoe being moved.

"The only evidence available for the re-examination approved by the Koh Samui court on Friday are the sharp garden hoe allegedly used in the murder, a shoe, sock, and bags from the scene. Last week, a partially blind Burmese beach cleaner told the court he spotted the garden hoe at the scene before police arrived, and returned the tool to its normal spot nearby. Upon police's request, he later retrieved the hoe, which he said he was unaware was covered in blood."

H12.jpg

the hoe inspection starts around 1.04

Are these are the cigarette butts that were tested for the DNA of the B2 and the results later given as evidence that they were found close to the bodies. There are 4 butts next to the log. 2 are a different brand as the filter segment is white and 2 are possibly L&M. They are all a long way from the crime scene.

[Tony121]

if NS was the murderer why did he flee the island but leave the bodies and all the evidence there ?, he would have needed a twin engine speedboat to get him to the mainland, you could put the hoe and two bodies in a longtail drive a mile out an by the time the bodies showed up the dna would have gone Hannahs wounds could be passed of as damage from a boat propeller.

Two people having fun in the sea at night drowned case closed.

[StealthEnergiser]

Stealthenergiser click on the khao sod article and read corrections at the bottom your answers there

There is no answer there saying why was it cleaned of DNA look at the pictures the blood is not showing as much after the hoe being moved.

"The only evidence available for the re-examination approved by the Koh Samui court on Friday are the sharp garden hoe allegedly used in the murder, a shoe, sock, and bags from the scene. Last week, a partially blind Burmese beach cleaner told the court he spotted the garden hoe at the scene before police arrived, and returned the tool to its normal spot nearby. Upon police's request, he later retrieved the hoe, which he said he was unaware was covered in blood."

H12.jpg

the hoe inspection starts around 1.04

Are these are the cigarette butts that were tested for the DNA of the B2 and the results later given as evidence that they were found close to the bodies. There are 4 butts next to the log. 2 are a different brand as the filter segment is white and 2 are possibly L&M. They are all a long way from the crime scene.

Yes your are correct there are 4.

[GOLDBUGGY]

Well, lets see what we got here. Lets start with your first sentence referring to what the court was told.

Your Quote "Police tried to manipulate a Koh Tao witness, court told"

This has never been proven and being told in court is not mentioned in any of your links or anywhere that I looked. So nowhere which I could find says the court was told this. U Oh certainly didn't say that. In fact this so called police manipulation came from Aung Myo Thant, a lawyer for the defense team. So I guess he will have a chance to prove that. [/size]

Personally, if I was a partially blind man, and picked up a dirty hoe with sand stuck to blood, or just sticky, I would wash it of first before I used it. But I like your theory better. About Mon telling U Oh to wash the blood off first before he takes it back to the stop he found the hoe. Especially when U Oh had his day in court and had a chance to tell the truth, which I think he did. I certainly wouldn't want to commit Perjury here for no love or money. [/size]

So here is my theory. If Mon did commit these murders, like many are claiming, why would he tell his cleaner the next day to wash off the blood? He was standing right next to the Ocean. All he would have to do was throw it in their and give it a few wipes. With blood on the rocks you can believe there would also be some on the hoe. But NO! He instead carries a blooded hoe to some nearby drop off place and walks back to his room with blood on his hands. Sure![/size]

But does Mon do this and wash the Hoe of in the ocean? No! He tells his worked to put on gloves, so he won't add to any figure prints which might be their, which could also included Mon, if he did it, and return the Hoe to the exact location where he found it. So the Police can piece this murder weapon together with the murders. [/size]

Mon's action that morning do not portray the actions of a guilty man! They portray the actions of a innocent man trying to catch the murders![/size]

Ok, you wanna talk about Mon for a minute. Let's talk about him. He's the kind of guy who knows lots about what goes on - on his island, particularly in the area close to his bar, where the crime took place. It's no fluke that early on, RTP questioned him intensely for 3 hours non-stop. He claims it was himself who was shown in Running Man videos. That's preposterous and early on, RTP didn't believe it either. Indeed, the first RTP team was actively looking for Mon's nephew - who resembles Running Man perfectly. Mon wanted to divert the police's attention. The ruse only worked because Panya's superiors in Bkk were pulling the marionette strings.

Mon is a fix-it guy. I can't say whether he was actively involved in the crime (my hunch is he was, though I think it was NS who killed Hannah). I think there were also a few other men involved, all of whom friends with Mon and probably also connected to his bar. Mon likely manipulated the crime scene before the police arrived - even before the migrant gardener alerted him. Am surprised the hoe wasn't tossed far away or buried, though it was wiped at least once before forensics got it.

There's a lot more I could say, and have said in dozens of prior posts.

Incidentally, If I had ventured, just before the trial started, that RTP would admit to bungling up the DNA trail so thoroughly, RTP echoers would be jumping down my throat, to wit, "How dare you say that. You conspiracy theorist! You have an agenda, because you hate Thai police, blah blah blah." Of course, they'd all be wrong, as they have for the past 10 months. And we're just a few days from Act II of the trial - which is competing with the re-enactment - to see which is more farcical.

Addendum: When I read or hear of RTP doing a good job, I write (blog posts, letters to the Editor of newspapers) commending them. I know they can do a good job when they try. Unfortunately, they're trying to do a frame-up in this KT case, and their ruse is falling down all around them.

Why don't you say that Mon was brought in for questioning by the Police as at one point he was a suspect. But when the Police discovered his DNA didn't match Hannah's he was released, like the Football Team, Fast Boat Driver, David Millers Friend and Brother, and anyone else I may have missed.

Once you say his DNA cleared him as a suspect there is no need to say anymore. He is not on trail here for Rape and Murder.

[thailandchilli]

Well, lets see what we got here. Lets start with your first sentence referring to what the court was told.

Your Quote "Police tried to manipulate a Koh Tao witness, court told"

This has never been proven and being told in court is not mentioned in any of your links or anywhere that I looked. So nowhere which I could find says the court was told this. U Oh certainly didn't say that. In fact this so called police manipulation came from Aung Myo Thant, a lawyer for the defense team. So I guess he will have a chance to prove that. [/size]

Personally, if I was a partially blind man, and picked up a dirty hoe with sand stuck to blood, or just sticky, I would wash it of first before I used it. But I like your theory better. About Mon telling U Oh to wash the blood off first before he takes it back to the stop he found the hoe. Especially when U Oh had his day in court and had a chance to tell the truth, which I think he did. I certainly wouldn't want to commit Perjury here for no love or money. [/size]

So here is my theory. If Mon did commit these murders, like many are claiming, why would he tell his cleaner the next day to wash off the blood? He was standing right next to the Ocean. All he would have to do was throw it in their and give it a few wipes. With blood on the rocks you can believe there would also be some on the hoe. But NO! He instead carries a blooded hoe to some nearby drop off place and walks back to his room with blood on his hands. Sure![/size]

But does Mon do this and wash the Hoe of in the ocean? No! He tells his worked to put on gloves, so he won't add to any figure prints which might be their, which could also included Mon, if he did it, and return the Hoe to the exact location where he found it. So the Police can piece this murder weapon together with the murders. [/size]

Mon's action that morning do not portray the actions of a guilty man! They portray the actions of a innocent man trying to catch the murders![/size]

Ok, you wanna talk about Mon for a minute. Let's talk about him. He's the kind of guy who knows lots about what goes on - on his island, particularly in the area close to his bar, where the crime took place. It's no fluke that early on, RTP questioned him intensely for 3 hours non-stop. He claims it was himself who was shown in Running Man videos. That's preposterous and early on, RTP didn't believe it either. Indeed, the first RTP team was actively looking for Mon's nephew - who resembles Running Man perfectly. Mon wanted to divert the police's attention. The ruse only worked because Panya's superiors in Bkk were pulling the marionette strings.

Mon is a fix-it guy. I can't say whether he was actively involved in the crime (my hunch is he was, though I think it was NS who killed Hannah). I think there were also a few other men involved, all of whom friends with Mon and probably also connected to his bar. Mon likely manipulated the crime scene before the police arrived - even before the migrant gardener alerted him. Am surprised the hoe wasn't tossed far away or buried, though it was wiped at least once before forensics got it.

There's a lot more I could say, and have said in dozens of prior posts.

Incidentally, If I had ventured, just before the trial started, that RTP would admit to bungling up the DNA trail so thoroughly, RTP echoers would be jumping down my throat, to wit, "How dare you say that. You conspiracy theorist! You have an agenda, because you hate Thai police, blah blah blah." Of course, they'd all be wrong, as they have for the past 10 months. And we're just a few days from Act II of the trial - which is competing with the re-enactment - to see which is more farcical.

Addendum: When I read or hear of RTP doing a good job, I write (blog posts, letters to the Editor of newspapers) commending them. I know they can do a good job when they try. Unfortunately, they're trying to do a frame-up in this KT case, and their ruse is falling down all around them.

Why don't you say that Mon was brought in for questioning by the Police as at one point he was a suspect. But when the Police discovered his DNA didn't match Hannah's he was released, like the Football Team, Fast Boat Driver, David Millers Friend and Brother, and anyone else I may have missed.

Once you say his DNA cleared him as a suspect there is no need to say anymore. He is not on trail here for Rape and Murder.

At first Mon refused to take a DNA test, why is that I wonder, why would anyone refuse to take a test if they have nothing to hide? Then he obviously allowed it because the next thing we know is that his DNA was a non match, results back in record time.

[Rykbanlor]

if NS was the murderer why did he flee the island but leave the bodies and all the evidence there ?, he would have needed a twin engine speedboat to get him to the mainland, you could put the hoe and two bodies in a longtail drive a mile out an by the time the bodies showed up the dna would have gone Hannahs wounds could be passed of as damage from a boat propeller.

Two people having fun in the sea at night drowned case closed.

I don;t know the layout of the island. Could he have done that from Sairee beach? If he did leave on a speedboat, where from? If it was not at the scene then they would be dragging a couple of bodies along for whoever might be out to see. Plus add one or two more people (boat crew) to the list of people who they need to keep their mouths shut. It may have been too much trouble to deal with as you suggest, when dawn is closing in.

[StealthEnergiser]

Stealthenergiser click on the khao sod article and read corrections at the bottom your answers there

CORRECTION: The beach cleaner who removed the garden hoe from the crime scene did not tell the court he also washed the tool, as was originally reported.

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1436774626&typecate=06&section=

[minikev]

Stealthenergiser click on the khao sod article and read corrections at the bottom your answers there

There is no answer there saying why was it cleaned of DNA look at the pictures the blood is not showing as much after the hoe being moved.

"The only evidence available for the re-examination approved by the Koh Samui court on Friday are the sharp garden hoe allegedly used in the murder, a shoe, sock, and bags from the scene. Last week, a partially blind Burmese beach cleaner told the court he spotted the garden hoe at the scene before police arrived, and returned the tool to its normal spot nearby. Upon police's request, he later retrieved the hoe, which he said he was unaware was covered in blood."

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the hoe inspection starts around 1.04

Are these are the cigarette butts that were tested for the DNA of the B2 and the results later given as evidence that they were found close to the bodies. There are 4 butts next to the log. 2 are a different brand as the filter segment is white and 2 are possibly L&M. They are all a long way from the crime scene.

Yes your are correct there are 4.

cigs4.jpg

Also the statement from the policeman recorded. He is saying "Collect them all" Gep Mout . It's possible 2 had no relevance I suppose but why didn't they also arrest someone for buying lets say Malboro lights or whatever brand the white cigs were?

Is it possible they knew 3 Burmese were sat playing guitar here on the log claimed they were closer to the bodies and hey bingo now all you need to do is find footage of them purchasing and scapeddy goaty hi!!

[GOLDBUGGY]

Your opinions are always welcome, GB. I print them off (on cheap paper), and make paper planes out of them. I have two squadrons ready to dispatch from my condo apartment. Hopefully they will quieten the Karaoke below.

I won't tell you what kind of paper I print your opinions on, but let me give you a hint. "Royal Flush!"

ah so your drains are blocked just like your mind .

Yeah! My Drains are plugged.

Somebody used it to wipe the Bull's Bum instead of just mine.