Syria crisis: Russian Caspian missiles 'fell in Iran'

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Syria crisis: Russian Caspian missiles 'fell in Iran'

WASHINGTON: -- Four Russian cruise missiles fired at Syria from the Caspian Sea landed in Iran, unnamed US officials say.

It was unclear whether the missiles caused any damage, they said.

On Wednesday, Russia said it had fired 26 missiles at 11 targets in north and north-west Syria - about 1,500km (930 miles) away. On Thursday, it reiterated that all the rockets hit their targets.

The news came as Nato renewed assurances to defend its allies in view of Russia's "escalation" in Syria.

Russia's ambassador to Ankara had earlier been summoned three times in response to recent violations of Turkey's airspace. Turkey is a Nato member.

Full story: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34479873


-- BBC 2015-10-09

[Scott]

Off-topic, troll post removed.

[NeverSure]

categorically denied by both Russia and Iran...

[Publicus]

Apparently the four missiles cruised into mountains straight ahead of them or plowed into flat fields supposedly straight out in front of 'em, so it doesn't sound too good for the Russians. We'll see what show the Chinese put on when they start flying.

The Russian missile systems are flawed in their basics, from mechanics to guidance to range to a whole lot of vital factors inherent to missile technology. Sure, some of 'em or most of 'em hit targets in Syria. But four did not. The fact is very bad news to Putin and his military industrial complex, engineering designs, scarce rubles etc.

There's some question at the Pentagon as to how many operative missiles the Russian Navy ships have remaining or available and how many overall they have at this point.

The great risk however is that the missiles travelled through Syrian and Iraq airspace where US warplanes operate along with other coalition warplanes, to include Saudi Arabia, Qatar and others involved in fighting ISIS and Assad's forces, such as France and UK.

The Russians are cruising toward real accidents in the skies and on the ground. Maybe worse.

[boomerangutang]

It's hard to know whether denials by Russia and Iran are true. Both are famous for lying. When Chernobyl blew up, the Russkies didn't acknowledge it until days afterwards. It was Swedish techies who first broke the story.

[Langsuan Man]

Since the Russian operators of missile launchers in the Ukraine, can't seem to tell the difference between a Malaysian passenger jet and a jet fighter , I find this story to be entirely credible

[oneday]

If Iran is going to deny that their own people have been killed by stray Russian missiles, something that can EASILY be checked by any nation with good satellite technology, then they deserve what they get.

[derator01]

Please stick to the topic.

[HerbalEd]

Hopefully no one was hurt or killed by these stray missiles. The up side is that Russia hit it's ally and hopefully this will create some bad blood between them.

[slipperylobster]

categorically denied by both Russia and Iran...

[Usernames]

Soviet made = junk. Over two decades later, and Russian made = junk. Still.

[FangFerang]

categorically denied by both Russia and Iran...

I like the humor in your post. And If Russian missiles landed in Iran and the Iranians don't care, it's their territory. If they want to dance with the other devil that's their business.

[Srikcir]

"I shot an arrow into the air/It fell to earth, I knew not where..." - Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

[hugh2121]

Sounds like America trying to shift focus away from their latest atrocity.

Anyway, who cares if Iran was hit?

Edited October 9, 2015 by hugh2121

[Steely Dan]

I have read the Russians are getting their <deleted> handed to them in the Ukraine to the degree that Putin has stopped the names of dead soldiers being released. Perhaps their missiles falling in Iran and 'accidental' incursions into Turkey are really a sign of a poorly trained and equipped military. The Russians have always had to rely on vast numbers huge territory and inhospitable climate to rescue them, perhaps things have not changed that much.

[Berkshire]

Apparently the four missiles cruised into mountains straight ahead of them or plowed into flat fields supposedly straight out in front of 'em, so it doesn't sound too good for the Russians. We'll see what show the Chinese put on when they start flying.

The Russian missile systems are flawed in their basics, from mechanics to guidance to range to a whole lot of vital factors inherent to missile technology. Sure, some of 'em or most of 'em hit targets in Syria. But four did not. The fact is very bad news to Putin and his military industrial complex, engineering designs, scarce rubles etc.

There's some question at the Pentagon as to how many operative missiles the Russian Navy ships have remaining or available and how many overall they have at this point.

The great risk however is that the missiles travelled through Syrian and Iraq airspace where US warplanes operate along with other coalition warplanes, to include Saudi Arabia, Qatar and others involved in fighting ISIS and Assad's forces, such as France and UK.

The Russians are cruising toward real accidents in the skies and on the ground. Maybe worse.

Maybe the Russians can "accidentally" take out Assad. There's no telling where any of their cruise missiles are going to end up.

[ourmanflint]

I guess that's one way to get around the arms embargo, just deliver the missiles by air so they can be retrieved and retasked by Iran.

[bassman]

Apparently the four missiles cruised into mountains straight ahead of them or plowed into flat fields supposedly straight out in front of 'em, so it doesn't sound too good for the Russians. We'll see what show the Chinese put on when they start flying.

The Russian missile systems are flawed in their basics, from mechanics to guidance to range to a whole lot of vital factors inherent to missile technology. Sure, some of 'em or most of 'em hit targets in Syria. But four did not. The fact is very bad news to Putin and his military industrial complex, engineering designs, scarce rubles etc.

There's some question at the Pentagon as to how many operative missiles the Russian Navy ships have remaining or available and how many overall they have at this point.

The great risk however is that the missiles travelled through Syrian and Iraq airspace where US warplanes operate along with other coalition warplanes, to include Saudi Arabia, Qatar and others involved in fighting ISIS and Assad's forces, such as France and UK.

The Russians are cruising toward real accidents in the skies and on the ground. Maybe worse.

4 out of 26 cruise missiles going off course is not really that bad. Russians do not expend a lot of expensive missiles in training as does the USA, they would rather stockpile their top weapons. A good possibility is that Russia is rotating their stock and they did not send out what came off the assembly line this year. Most likely fired cruise missiles that have been on the shelf awhile. This is Russia's first firing of their cruise missile in "war" unlike America that has shot hundreds in the last 25 years. The missiles were model "A" not the most recent model "Z".

The bear can bite and Europe better wise up quickly.

[JHolmesJr]

Its now a propaganda war….with both sides releasing disinformation…..would not know who's correct …. just sit back and enjoy the show.

[SheungWan]

Apparently the four missiles cruised into mountains straight ahead of them or plowed into flat fields supposedly straight out in front of 'em, so it doesn't sound too good for the Russians. We'll see what show the Chinese put on when they start flying.

The Russian missile systems are flawed in their basics, from mechanics to guidance to range to a whole lot of vital factors inherent to missile technology. Sure, some of 'em or most of 'em hit targets in Syria. But four did not. The fact is very bad news to Putin and his military industrial complex, engineering designs, scarce rubles etc.

There's some question at the Pentagon as to how many operative missiles the Russian Navy ships have remaining or available and how many overall they have at this point.

The great risk however is that the missiles travelled through Syrian and Iraq airspace where US warplanes operate along with other coalition warplanes, to include Saudi Arabia, Qatar and others involved in fighting ISIS and Assad's forces, such as France and UK.

The Russians are cruising toward real accidents in the skies and on the ground. Maybe worse.

4 out of 26 cruise missiles going off course is not really that bad. Russians do not expend a lot of expensive missiles in training as does the USA, they would rather stockpile their top weapons. A good possibility is that Russia is rotating their stock and they did not send out what came off the assembly line this year. Most likely fired cruise missiles that have been on the shelf awhile. This is Russia's first firing of their cruise missile in "war" unlike America that has shot hundreds in the last 25 years. The missiles were model "A" not the most recent model "Z".

The bear can bite and Europe better wise up quickly.

I guess no-one checked the shelf-life expiry date then before firing.

[h90]

categorically denied by both Russia and Iran...

And found out by the people who also found the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.....

No one is honest. And actually it doesn't matter if a few got lost

[h90]

Apparently the four missiles cruised into mountains straight ahead of them or plowed into flat fields supposedly straight out in front of 'em, so it doesn't sound too good for the Russians. We'll see what show the Chinese put on when they start flying.

The Russian missile systems are flawed in their basics, from mechanics to guidance to range to a whole lot of vital factors inherent to missile technology. Sure, some of 'em or most of 'em hit targets in Syria. But four did not. The fact is very bad news to Putin and his military industrial complex, engineering designs, scarce rubles etc.

There's some question at the Pentagon as to how many operative missiles the Russian Navy ships have remaining or available and how many overall they have at this point.

The great risk however is that the missiles travelled through Syrian and Iraq airspace where US warplanes operate along with other coalition warplanes, to include Saudi Arabia, Qatar and others involved in fighting ISIS and Assad's forces, such as France and UK.

The Russians are cruising toward real accidents in the skies and on the ground. Maybe worse.

4 out of 26 cruise missiles going off course is not really that bad. Russians do not expend a lot of expensive missiles in training as does the USA, they would rather stockpile their top weapons. A good possibility is that Russia is rotating their stock and they did not send out what came off the assembly line this year. Most likely fired cruise missiles that have been on the shelf awhile. This is Russia's first firing of their cruise missile in "war" unlike America that has shot hundreds in the last 25 years. The missiles were model "A" not the most recent model "Z".

The bear can bite and Europe better wise up quickly.

It was said on the bombs, that Russia is dropping old cheap bombs. Which seems complete logic, why use the modern expensive high tech things if the old bomb from Soviet times does the job and if one fails drop a second one.

We do in our stock a "first in first out" as well. Different than USA, Russia didn't have a lot wars recently.

[h90]

I have read the Russians are getting their <deleted> handed to them in the Ukraine to the degree that Putin has stopped the names of dead soldiers being released. Perhaps their missiles falling in Iran and 'accidental' incursions into Turkey are really a sign of a poorly trained and equipped military. The Russians have always had to rely on vast numbers huge territory and inhospitable climate to rescue them, perhaps things have not changed that much.

There were never names of dead soldiers from Ukraine released so Putin could not stop it. Officially there were never any Russian soldiers there so no names of dead ones were ever released.

Into Turkey it seems like testing the Turkey responds. Their airplanes and pilots are considered as top quality....Even by people who don't like Russia. If poorly trained they would simply avoid the border area.

[MaxYakov]

Apparently the four missiles cruised into mountains straight ahead of them or plowed into flat fields supposedly straight out in front of 'em, so it doesn't sound too good for the Russians. We'll see what show the Chinese put on when they start flying.

The Russian missile systems are flawed in their basics, from mechanics to guidance to range to a whole lot of vital factors inherent to missile technology. Sure, some of 'em or most of 'em hit targets in Syria. But four did not. The fact is very bad news to Putin and his military industrial complex, engineering designs, scarce rubles etc.

There's some question at the Pentagon as to how many operative missiles the Russian Navy ships have remaining or available and how many overall they have at this point.

The great risk however is that the missiles travelled through Syrian and Iraq airspace where US warplanes operate along with other coalition warplanes, to include Saudi Arabia, Qatar and others involved in fighting ISIS and Assad's forces, such as France and UK.

The Russians are cruising toward real accidents in the skies and on the ground. Maybe worse.

4 out of 26 cruise missiles going off course is not really that bad. Russians do not expend a lot of expensive missiles in training as does the USA, they would rather stockpile their top weapons. A good possibility is that Russia is rotating their stock and they did not send out what came off the assembly line this year. Most likely fired cruise missiles that have been on the shelf awhile. This is Russia's first firing of their cruise missile in "war" unlike America that has shot hundreds in the last 25 years. The missiles were model "A" not the most recent model "Z".

The bear can bite and Europe better wise up quickly.

I guess no-one checked the shelf-life expiry date then before firing.

Or someone had.

[Seastallion]

Meh, it's just collateral damage.

What's good for the goose US is good for the gander Russia.

[boomerangutang]

Maybe they got the compass screwed on sideways.

[Gene1960]

No evidence yet. No pics or whatever.

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[JHolmesJr]

No evidence yet. No pics or whatever.

yea the press asked US defines secretary about this….he said I can't tell you how we know……real clever these military boffins.

[Publicus]

Apparently the four missiles cruised into mountains straight ahead of them or plowed into flat fields supposedly straight out in front of 'em, so it doesn't sound too good for the Russians. We'll see what show the Chinese put on when they start flying.

The Russian missile systems are flawed in their basics, from mechanics to guidance to range to a whole lot of vital factors inherent to missile technology. Sure, some of 'em or most of 'em hit targets in Syria. But four did not. The fact is very bad news to Putin and his military industrial complex, engineering designs, scarce rubles etc.

There's some question at the Pentagon as to how many operative missiles the Russian Navy ships have remaining or available and how many overall they have at this point.

The great risk however is that the missiles travelled through Syrian and Iraq airspace where US warplanes operate along with other coalition warplanes, to include Saudi Arabia, Qatar and others involved in fighting ISIS and Assad's forces, such as France and UK.

The Russians are cruising toward real accidents in the skies and on the ground. Maybe worse.

4 out of 26 cruise missiles going off course is not really that bad. Russians do not expend a lot of expensive missiles in training as does the USA, they would rather stockpile their top weapons. A good possibility is that Russia is rotating their stock and they did not send out what came off the assembly line this year. Most likely fired cruise missiles that have been on the shelf awhile. This is Russia's first firing of their cruise missile in "war" unlike America that has shot hundreds in the last 25 years. The missiles were model "A" not the most recent model "Z".

The bear can bite and Europe better wise up quickly.

The bear can bite this cause if 15% of your weapons fail you're going to lose your war, any war. Any company that has a 15% product defect rate is going to fail. An equipment maintenance failure rate of 15% is a program failure whether it is civilian or military. Putin needs to become a Maytag salesman because a paragraph of excuses and an apologia doesn't cut it.

Europe and Nato are fully wised up to Putin. What happened to all the jibberish about Putin last winter cutting off Europe's supply of imported Russian energy to include oil and natural gas? It was always the fantasy of unrealistic Putin fanboyz and that is all it ever was.

Reality is that Russian GDP is minus 5% this year, new car sales are off by nearly 50% and one Russian car manufacturer closed indefinitely. The ruble is a rubble while oil prices are a long long way from ever leading a recovery or of being anything but a severe drag on the biting bear's economy. The only biting the bear is doing is on a bullet as Putin in Syria only increases the already huge risk of a Russian economy depression. Nato countries remain set on continuing sanctions through at least 2017 so Russia's future is overall negative and counting.

Putin has been unable to consolidate anything in Ukraine and is frozen in his tracks there. Putin has been unable to respond to Ukraine's decision to shut out Russian airlines from Ukraine airspace.

ISIS are rats which is why Putin is only tickling them with some very few hits by his air forces. IS just the other day popped an Iranian general, the deputy commander of the Republican Guards and senior Iranian commander in Syria, in fighting outside Aleppo, so Putin's military commanders in Syria have to hope IS doesn't get their addresses too...same for the Syrian generals who already have been laying low and in the background given IS seems to have a list of addresses of important invited visitors and their hosts.

If little Rasputin isn't more careful as all these and other negatives continue to expand and intensify he may find himself looking up through the ice in the Moscow River.

[MaxYakov]

Apparently the four missiles cruised into mountains straight ahead of them or plowed into flat fields supposedly straight out in front of 'em, so it doesn't sound too good for the Russians. We'll see what show the Chinese put on when they start flying.

The Russian missile systems are flawed in their basics, from mechanics to guidance to range to a whole lot of vital factors inherent to missile technology. Sure, some of 'em or most of 'em hit targets in Syria. But four did not. The fact is very bad news to Putin and his military industrial complex, engineering designs, scarce rubles etc.

There's some question at the Pentagon as to how many operative missiles the Russian Navy ships have remaining or available and how many overall they have at this point.

The great risk however is that the missiles travelled through Syrian and Iraq airspace where US warplanes operate along with other coalition warplanes, to include Saudi Arabia, Qatar and others involved in fighting ISIS and Assad's forces, such as France and UK.

The Russians are cruising toward real accidents in the skies and on the ground. Maybe worse.

4 out of 26 cruise missiles going off course is not really that bad. Russians do not expend a lot of expensive missiles in training as does the USA, they would rather stockpile their top weapons. A good possibility is that Russia is rotating their stock and they did not send out what came off the assembly line this year. Most likely fired cruise missiles that have been on the shelf awhile. This is Russia's first firing of their cruise missile in "war" unlike America that has shot hundreds in the last 25 years. The missiles were model "A" not the most recent model "Z".

The bear can bite and Europe better wise up quickly.

The bear can bite this cause if 15% of your weapons fail you're going to lose your war, any war. Any company that has a 15% product defect rate is going to fail. An equipment maintenance failure rate of 15% is a program failure whether it is civilian or military. Putin needs to become a Maytag salesman because a paragraph of excuses and an apologia doesn't cut it.

Europe and Nato are fully wised up to Putin. What happened to all the jibberish about Putin last winter cutting off Europe's supply of imported Russian energy to include oil and natural gas? It was always the fantasy of unrealistic Putin fanboyz and that is all it ever was.

Reality is that Russian GDP is minus 5% this year, new car sales are off by nearly 50% and one Russian car manufacturer closed indefinitely. The ruble is a rubble while oil prices are a long long way from ever leading a recovery or of being anything but a severe drag on the biting bear's economy. The only biting the bear is doing is on a bullet as Putin in Syria only increases the already huge risk of a Russian economy depression. Nato countries remain set on continuing sanctions through at least 2017 so Russia's future is overall negative and counting.

Putin has been unable to consolidate anything in Ukraine and is frozen in his tracks there. Putin has been unable to respond to Ukraine's decision to shut out Russian airlines from Ukraine airspace.

ISIS are rats which is why Putin is only tickling them with some very few hits by his air forces. IS just the other day popped an Iranian general, the deputy commander of the Republican Guards and senior Iranian commander in Syria, in fighting outside Aleppo, so Putin's military commanders in Syria have to hope IS doesn't get their addresses too...same for the Syrian generals who already have been laying low and in the background given IS seems to have a list of addresses of important invited visitors and their hosts.

If little Rasputin isn't more careful as all these and other negatives continue to expand and intensify he may find himself looking up through the ice in the Moscow River.

"The bear can bite this cause if 15% of your weapons fail you're going to lose your war, any war."

The faulty reasoning here is that those missiles represented 15% of the entire Russian effort in Syria. As far as I'm concerned launching those Kalibr/Klub (Wiki) cruise missiles was simply a testing/training/PR effort that they knew would have little strategic impact. They have (allegedly) only a 450 kg warhead and their guidance system in general might have a lot to be desired although the Wiki page does indicate they use, in addition to inertial and radar the are using satellite DMACS (GPS). If the warheads were nuclear, then we're be talking about a serious weapon system, providing you could get them anywhere near their targets. What I find the most interesting about them is their (alleged) capability to go supersonic (allegedly, Mach 2.5-2.9) when in close proximity to target as a "surprise" tactic.

The rest of your post is similar, exaggerated histrionics. I do give you credit for an engaging writing style in the vein of movie scripts and spy novels, however.

Edited October 9, 2015 by MaxYakov