May ready for tough talks over Brexit

[talahtnut]

15 hours ago, simoh1490 said:

I think those expert economists made their forecasts with that knowledge already in mind, it was not exactly a well hidden secret by any stretch of the imagination.

Government experts and economists don't make forecasts..they know exactly whats going to happen.  Its been going on since the 70s.

You've hit the nail on the head.

[ilostmypassword]

55 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

Government experts and economists don't make forecasts..they know exactly whats going to happen.  Its been going on since the 70s.

You've hit the nail on the head.

Really? Because an awful lot of them predicted instant disaster if the Brexit referendum won.

[sandyf]

21 hours ago, soalbundy said:

The pound yes but the Dollar is a reserve currency, only if the amount of oil sold fell drastically (it has to be paid in Dollars) would the Dollar decline meaningfully but even so the industrial might of the USA is considerable,they have a lot of foreign and home grown scientists and engineers and are very innovative,when push comes to shove the USA rises above itself so while the Dollar may fall over the next two years I don't see its demise as a reserve currency. Even the battered Pound will find a floor from where it can drag itself but I don't have much hope that they will get above their knees. 

"only if the amount of oil sold fell drastically (it has to be paid in Dollars) would the Dollar decline meaningfully"

Not strictly true, it is not dependent on the amount of oil but more to do with how the oil is paid for.

The dollar is at risk as there are moves afoot to trade oil in Yuan .

 

The world’s largest crude oil importer China is likely to roll out the petro-yuan next year predicts Saxo Bank. Beijing’s largest oil supplier Russia would gladly accept the yuan to phase out the dollar in trade with China.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/ascent-of-the-petro-yuan-russia-and-china-to-kneecap-petrodollar-in-2018/5623948

[dick dasterdly]

17 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Really? Because an awful lot of them predicted instant disaster if the Brexit referendum won.

Exactly, the electorate is becoming a bit more 'savvy' as to the lies and spin fed to them by the media and politicians.  Hence the shock brexit vote.

 

Forecasts are nothing other than opinion - and everyone has been lambasted to a never ending stream of opinion (presented as fact...) - and most are tired of this.

[simoh1490]

33 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Really? Because an awful lot of them predicted instant disaster if the Brexit referendum won.

Oh please, history has accepted that many of Project Fears components were spot on but the timing was adrift, move on!

[dick dasterdly]

9 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

Oh please, history has accepted that many of Project Fears components were spot on but the timing was adrift, move on!

That's your version.  The 'dooms day' forecasts were spot-on, but delayed.... edit (great  spin though )

 

Personally, I'll never forgive or foget Osborne's promised, immediate, punishment budget in the event of a brexit vote....

Edited January 8, 2018 by dick dasterdly

[talahtnut]

15 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

Really? Because an awful lot of them predicted instant disaster if the Brexit referendum won.

Yes, scare tactics that failed..but the government agenda is still running regardless of brexit..  And debt is mounting.

[Naam]

1 hour ago, ilostmypassword said:

Really? Because an awful lot of them predicted instant disaster if the Brexit referendum won.

a typical Brexiteer distortion because there was never any talk of instant disaster.

[aright]

8 minutes ago, nauseus said:

History has accepted? Wot a larf!

You have a very short memory. Following the referendum don't you remember the great recession, mass unemployment, the loss of half a million jobs and the economy in tatters. Get your head out of the sand man!

The only significant thing that happened was the value of the pound went down, but guess what both Remainers and Leavers knew that was going to happen so it didn't come as a great shock.

[aright]

If the EU refuses a deal, we should abandon its regulatory nonsense..............

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/07/eu-refuses-brexit-deal-city-should-abandon-vast-regulatory-nonsense/

 

Makes sense to me!

[aright]

The 'no deal' Brexit Minister could show the EU it shouldn't mess Britain around

 

As European leaders prepare to talk about their future trading relationship, their so far united front could easily break down as each member state pursues their own interests. Emmanuel Macron has expressed such fears just last week.

That could leave British negotiators ready for their roughest treatment yet from Michel Barnier's team. Their only way to curb such behaviour is by pointing out that they could walk away if pushed too far. By bringing a "no deal" minister to her cabinet table, Theresa May would help her officials make that threat with conviction.

Well done Theresa

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/08/no-deal-brexit-minister-would-show-eu-shouldnt-mess-britain/

[talahtnut]

Anyone outside of the cabinet room will not know the truth..for 70? years.

It would be most interesting to have cabinet meetings televised to the electorate.

 

[aright]

[aright]

5 hours ago, sandyf said:

The unelected bureaucrats known as the UK cabinet want to pick and choose their own jobs now. Of course it will all be a lot better after brexit.

 

Theresa May’s bid to renew her Government with a Cabinet reshuffle fell flat on Monday after key minsters refused to be moved from their jobs and one walked out of her Cabinet.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-justine-greening-reshuffle-failure-latest-ministers-refuse-a8148846.html

It's called "Politics"

[talahtnut]

16 hours ago, aright said:

Step 15, Announce that the horse is alive and well.

[aright]

Good Advice

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/08/new-ministers-probably-got-two-years-seven-steps-success/

 

[simoh1490]

Talking of flogging dead horses I see that the World Bank has been doing some analysis and has produced a 2018 forecast for the global economy, on a country by country basis. Interesting that it has downgraded the UK to 1.4% whilst Europe is upgraded to 2.2%, Asia Pac. comes out at 6.9% for goodness sake! WB reckons the current upswing will fizzle out.

 

Anyway, the article is helpful in that it shows relative economic strengths and weakness, even if the numbers themselves aren't 100% reliable - it's worth a read, there's a useful chart about two thirds down but only one other picture, sorry: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/01/09/global-economy-set-decade-gloom-world-bank-predicts-recovery/

 

Edited January 9, 2018 by simoh1490

[evadgib]

Dear Evadgib,

Parliament is going to debate the petition you signed – "Leave the EU immediately".

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165

The debate is scheduled for 22 January 2018.

Once the debate has happened, we'll email you a video and transcript.

Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament

[aright]

8 minutes ago, simoh1490 said:

For the love of dear god, stop it, please!

I new it would happen. Someone would eventually bring religion into the debate!

[vogie]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

I know what you said and it was as you write as: voted into office. 

 

An election is a process, yes. But being elected into office is the same outcome of an election process as being voted into office.

 

No need to reply.

 

[Khun Han]

Just as an aside, one of Britain's most vociferous remainer politicians has now come out with this:

 

https://news.sky.com/story/tim-farron-i-was-a-fool-to-say-gay-sex-is-not-a-sin-11202698

 

My god! To think that this berk was being treated as a serious politician barely a few months ago! Happy Fairy Tales Tim. Feel free to rejoin the brexit discussions any time you want to.

[evadgib]

"Today (10 January 2018) we’re both in Germany to highlight the important relationship that exists between our countries.

It’s a relationship built on shared interests and shared values, that has helped both our nations prosper and grow.

And while the UK will leave the EU next year, we can still look to the future with a shared vision — one that sees Germany, Britain and the EU continue to thrive, and our relationship remain strong and close".

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint-article-a-deep-and-special-partnership

Edited January 11, 2018 by evadgib

[evadgib]

"International Trade Secretary Dr Liam Fox today sets out how the government’s Trade Bill will benefit businesses and consumers, as the UK progresses towards leaving the EU and shapes its own trade policy for the first time in 40 years.

Dr Fox will explain during the second reading in Parliament today (Tuesday 9 January), how the bill will provide continuity and stability for businesses and consumers by creating the powers necessary to replicate existing EU trade arrangements in UK law.

It will also establish a Trade Remedies Authority to take back powers from the EU to protect UK industry from unfair and injurious trading practices, such as dumping".

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/trade-bill-second-reading

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/dr-liam-fox-speaks-at-the-trade-bill-second-reading

Edited January 11, 2018 by evadgib

[ilostmypassword]

45 minutes ago, evadgib said:

"Today (10 January 2018) we’re both in Germany to highlight the important relationship that exists between our countries.

It’s a relationship built on shared interests and shared values, that has helped both our nations prosper and grow.

And while the UK will leave the EU next year, we can still look to the future with a shared vision — one that sees Germany, Britain and the EU continue to thrive, and our relationship remain strong and close".

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/joint-article-a-deep-and-special-partnership

I can see why you quoted this. There's so much substance here and it doesn't at all resemble a view of the situation as seen through rose-colored spectacles.

[ilostmypassword]

8 minutes ago, evadgib said:

"International Trade Secretary Dr Liam Fox today sets out how the government’s Trade Bill will benefit businesses and consumers, as the UK progresses towards leaving the EU and shapes its own trade policy for the first time in 40 years.

Dr Fox will explain during the second reading in Parliament today (Tuesday 9 January), how the bill will provide continuity and stability for businesses and consumers by creating the powers necessary to replicate existing EU trade arrangements in UK law.

It will also establish a Trade Remedies Authority to take back powers from the EU to protect UK industry from unfair and injurious trading practices, such as dumping".

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/trade-bill-second-reading

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/dr-liam-fox-speaks-at-the-trade-bill-second-reading

Now if the story had been that Liam Fox confessing to what a loss to the UK Trade with the EU will be after Brexit, that would have been news.

[evadgib]

33 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

I can see why you quoted this.

Actually you merely guessed & followed-up by plugging your own agenda. 

 

Edited January 11, 2018 by evadgib

[ilostmypassword]

3 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Actually you merely guessed & followed-up by plugging your own agenda. 

 

Well, that's because you merely didn't bother to explain why you thought such anodyne and predictable comments from political figures deserved to be singled out for quotation in the first place.

[evadgib]

16 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Well, that's because you merely didn't bother to explain why you thought such anodyne and predictable comments from political figures deserved to be singled out for quotation in the first place.

The quote and link were self explanatory & posted without comment so as not to attract unwarranted attention from digital trapdoor spiders... 

 

[dick dasterdly]

1 hour ago, ilostmypassword said:

Now if the story had been that Liam Fox confessing to what a loss to the UK Trade with the EU will be after Brexit, that would have been news.

And, of course, the loss to various EU companies of UK trade.

 

It's becoming increasingly obvious that a deal is not 'on the cards' as German eurocrats make it ever more obvious that their only aim is to prevent any reasonable deal....

[Ron19]

A large number of bickering posts between two party's have been removed.

For goodness sake give it a rest or pay the penalty. You have been warned.