EXCLUSIVE: Fears grow as Thai girl disappears after taking US "teacher" to Rayong - but he is a "known rapist"

[sawadee1947]

9 hours ago, Just1Voice said:

Hope they find her alive & well, and then find him and get his ass out of Thailand.

 

as long there is no proof he is innocent as YOU.

[thaiAd]

What do you do as a fugitive on the run?. You need food and shelter. Sooner you need a ATM machine. Your phone can be traced. The number plate on your car. Maybe it will be a sad ending. I hope not. But one thing for sure. You will be found by the Thai police. It is there duty and they will deliver.


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[farcanell]

23 minutes ago, bander said:

So far have you read somewhere there was a problem? Except they have conned somebody and are on the run.  

"Fears grow as Thai girl disappears"

 

had to go back to the origional post for that... so yer... I have read that there is a problem.

 

The OP doesn't say, she's missing, no problems, does it?

[farcanell]

26 minutes ago, bander said:

So far have you read somewhere there was a problem? Except they have conned somebody and are on the run.  

On the other hand, apart from a few posters chucking it out there, I haven't read an article about anyone conning anyone

[ubonjoe]

A off topic post and the expected replies to it has been removed.

[louse1953]

10 hours ago, jerojero said:

Dare say it? Another quality farang allowed into the kingdom.

How original,i never would have thought of that one.

[inazuma]

In case anyone was wondering if "Jackson Hall" being a criminal/rapist is true or not, Google is your friend.  The man in the picture is indeed Jackson Hall from Alabama and he's been arrested for rape, sodomy, child abuse, exposing himself to a women, etc.  Really makes me question the US justice system how a repeat violent offender can get out of jail so quickly each time.  I have no idea whether or not the fake passport thing is true, but even if it is, how the heck did he get out of jail for rape so quickly?  Did they even jail him in the first place?  The US justice system has failed us and now sadly a woman halfway around the world may be paying the price.

[Catoni]

Excuse me.... but

 

1.  How in hell does a monster with a criminal record have a passport from his home country ?  In my country Canada, you get a criminal conviction... you are FORCED to surrender you passport.  

 

2.   How in hell can he get through security and allowed on a plane?  The computers should alarm that is has a bad criminal record.

 

3.  How can he be allowed into the Kingdom or any othere country when being processed on arrival ? ?  Again...their computers should see from the passport he should not have... that he has criminal convictions... 

 

  When I got my O-A visa from the Royal Thai Embassy one of the things I had to show was a police report that I have no criminal record....  notorized by a lawyer.. 

[Catoni]

22 minutes ago, inazuma said:

In case anyone was wondering if "Jackson Hall" being a criminal/rapist is true or not, Google is your friend.  The man in the picture is indeed Jackson Hall from Alabama and he's been arrested for rape, sodomy, child abuse, exposing himself to a women, etc.  Really makes me question the US justice system how a repeat violent offender can get out of jail so quickly each time.  I have no idea whether or not the fake passport thing is true, but even if it is, how the heck did he get out of jail for rape so quickly?  Did they even jail him in the first place?  The US justice system has failed us and now sadly a woman halfway around the world may be paying the price.

 

     It's one of the reasons why Trump won the election...  more and more people fed up with the feel good - go easy on the criminal socialist/democrat/social justice warrior crowd...    

[balo]

They should be able to locate him pretty soon I would guess.  But they are probably already out of C.M , maybe try up in the mountains. 

Edited March 12, 2017 by balo

[bander]

50 minutes ago, farcanell said:

On the other hand, apart from a few posters chucking it out there, I haven't read an article about anyone conning anyone

Read this link: http://teflwatchdog.blogspot.com/2016/08/jackson-matthew-hall-using-stolen-id-of.html

This is some of the money he have stolen or conned:

By a rough count the money borrowed and stolen comes to:

• 450,000 Baht loan from a friend of his girlfriend
• 150,000 Baht run up on a stolen credit card
• 35,000 Baht borrowed from a German man
• 70,000 Baht taken from two girls who worked with his girlfriend
• 50000 Baht taken from an American woman and her son

And there is probably a lot more from people who have not contacted us.

[farcanell]

24 minutes ago, bander said:

Read this link: http://teflwatchdog.blogspot.com/2016/08/jackson-matthew-hall-using-stolen-id-of.html

This is some of the money he have stolen or conned:

By a rough count the money borrowed and stolen comes to:

• 450,000 Baht loan from a friend of his girlfriend
• 150,000 Baht run up on a stolen credit card
• 35,000 Baht borrowed from a German man
• 70,000 Baht taken from two girls who worked with his girlfriend
• 50000 Baht taken from an American woman and her son

And there is probably a lot more from people who have not contacted us.

Well holy bat crap.... 

 

Its seems google is indeed your friend... and this is disturbing

 

now I have definitely read that there is a problem... small scale financially, on what's known... large scale on the phyco bit, though.

 

thanks for the info. ?

[nontabury]

4 hours ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

Turned out that the first report was wrong and that he was actually a science teacher they had quite recently employed.  He had supplied the requested police check and got his work permit, the belief is that he did that just in time before his passport was cancelled and he was declared a fugitive in the US.  Difficult for a school to avoid something like that happening regardless of their standards. Anyway, not sure how having a Thai owner could help an international school pass the foreign examiners invigilation process.

Do they have to show and prove that they have passed the foreign invigilation process? Is it also possible to piggy back that process from another so called International school?

Regarding this US teacher, you are correct he had only gained employment a few months previously. However that particular school was known to employ unqualified, though enthusiastic teachers.

 

[Shawn0000]

Just now, nontabury said:

Do they have to show and prove that they have passed the foreign invigilation process? Is it also possible to piggy back that process from another so called International school?

Regarding this US teacher, you are correct he had only gained employment a few months previously. However that particular school was known to employ unqualified, though enthusiastic teachers.

 

 

I don't know if anyone is checking in Thailand, but normally international schools display their certificates from Cambridge, or whoever, proudly.  And no, it is not possible to open a second school and use the international title gained in one in the next, the process starts again.

Really surprising that an international school in Krabi can't pick from the best, I assumed it would be extremely competitive in such a beautiful place.

[ghworker2010]

Unsub... if you read this thread... you are scum. Go home. 

[Prbkk]

The authorities manage to nab Roger, the TEFLER from Cameroon, although he never left his condo....but struggle to get this nasty crim who has been all over Bangkok and other places, pinching money, harassing people, in and out of the country, wrecking cars, getting jobs, attending courses...what the hell is going on??...

[nontabury]

6 minutes ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

I don't know if anyone is checking in Thailand, but normally international schools display their certificates from Cambridge, or whoever, proudly.  And no, it is not possible to open a second school and use the international title gained in one in the next, the process starts again.

Really surprising that an international school in Krabi can't pick from the best, I assumed it would be extremely competitive in such a beautiful place.

To be fair,this school never displayed or stated that they had such a certificate.

They were inspected ( sort of) fairly frequently by the local education board.

and yes it makes a difference when the owner is Thai.

 

 There is now a new international school in the Krabi area, and yes they are employing fully qualified staff, and displaying their certificate from Cambridge.

 The owner being an ex-pat.

[GOLDBUGGY]

10 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

Interesting story. As an American I have to say I am sorry this POS got out of my country.

 

Obviously, like governments everywhere, the US failed its people in its responsibly to keep this animal locked up. 

 

I would like to know how he got out of the country. Fake passport from where?

 

It will be interesting to know how the Thai family knows who he is. Did the missing woman figure it out and tell her family? Then why go with him? 

 

I hope she is still alive.

 

 

As the story goes, he stole his Friends ID (Tyler Smith) which they seem to look a lot a like, to obtain a passport. Not sure how easy that is to do in the US as in Canada he would need 2 people as witnesses, to lie for him, and a high ranking official who would known him, plus have the same signature. But in lieu of this it is possible to go to the Commissioner Of Oaths, and make a Sworn Statement to get a Passport.

 

He also jumped his $30,000 Bail Bond, pending his court appearance for rape, and where he got that kind of money heaven only knows. I just hopes his parents didn't put there house up to mortgage to get him out of jail.

 

So his passport wasn't fake and thus could not be detected as such, but he did obtain that under false pretenses. He was known to have been in Thailand as early as last summer, but somehow escaped being tracked down and held. But I am sure he will soon appear on the most wanted list here in Thailand.   

[Shawn0000]

8 minutes ago, nontabury said:

To be fair,this school never displayed or stated that they had such a certificate.

They were inspected ( sort of) fairly frequently by the local education board.

and yes it makes a difference when the owner is Thai.

 

 There is now a new international school in the Krabi area, and yes they are employing fully qualified staff, and displaying their certificate from Cambridge.

 The owner being an ex-pat.

 

Perhaps they are not a real international, I would have thought they would be displaying the examining board somewhere and as it is not even mentioned on their website it does seem suspect, there is something known as a prospective international, which is a school using the syllabus and working with the examination board but has not yet passed, but they should not be using the international title.

[GOLDBUGGY]

1 hour ago, bander said:

Read this link: http://teflwatchdog.blogspot.com/2016/08/jackson-matthew-hall-using-stolen-id-of.html

This is some of the money he have stolen or conned:

By a rough count the money borrowed and stolen comes to:

• 450,000 Baht loan from a friend of his girlfriend
• 150,000 Baht run up on a stolen credit card
• 35,000 Baht borrowed from a German man
• 70,000 Baht taken from two girls who worked with his girlfriend
• 50000 Baht taken from an American woman and her son

And there is probably a lot more from people who have not contacted us.

I suppose you could also add the $30,000 Bail Bond he needed to get out of jail and he jumped, as I am sure he had to borrow that from somebody.

[Shawn0000]

36 minutes ago, Prbkk said:

The authorities manage to nab Roger, the TEFLER from Cameroon, although he never left his condo....but struggle to get this nasty crim who has been all over Bangkok and other places, pinching money, harassing people, in and out of the country, wrecking cars, getting jobs, attending courses...what the hell is going on??...

 

Well, you did kind of answer your own question, Brian, I think his name actually was, stayed in his apartment, this guy is all over the place, quite a difficult case for a police man accustomed to a particular lifestyle.

[GOLDBUGGY]

1 hour ago, Catoni said:

Excuse me.... but

 

1.  How in hell does a monster with a criminal record have a passport from his home country ?  In my country Canada, you get a criminal conviction... you are FORCED to surrender you passport.  

 

2.   How in hell can he get through security and allowed on a plane?  The computers should alarm that is has a bad criminal record.

 

3.  How can he be allowed into the Kingdom or any othere country when being processed on arrival ? ?  Again...their computers should see from the passport he should not have... that he has criminal convictions... 

 

  When I got my O-A visa from the Royal Thai Embassy one of the things I had to show was a police report that I have no criminal record....  notorized by a lawyer.. 

He got a legitimate passport using somebody else's ID. So there would be no way of telling if he had a Criminal Record, unless the guy he stole the ID from had one.

 

Airline Companies and even Immigration Officers to most countries, including Thailand, don't have access to your Criminal Record outside of their own country,

 

The only countries that I know that do this is Canada and the United States, in which we share Data Bases. So if you have a Criminal Record in Canada, and try to cross over to the USA, their Immigration Officers their would know this. Also why so many get turned back at the Border.

 

This guy, being from the USA, may have entered Thailand without any Visa at all and on a 28 day exempt. He already was on a Overstay last year. I guess when you are wanted for Rape you are not too worried about being here on an Overstay.

[Prbkk]

6 minutes ago, GOLDBUGGY said:

He got a legitimate passport using somebody else's ID. So there would be no way of telling if he had a Criminal Record, unless the guy he stole the ID from had one.

 

Airline Companies and even Immigration Officers to most countries, including Thailand, don't have access to your Criminal Record outside of their own country,

 

The only countries that I know that do this is Canada and the United States, in which we share Data Bases. So if you have a Criminal Record in Canada, and try to cross over to the USA, their Immigration Officers their would know this. Also why so many get turned back at the Border.

 

This guy, being from the USA, may have entered Thailand without any Visa at all and on a 28 day exempt. He already was on a Overstay last year. I guess when you are wanted for Rape you are not too worried about being here on an Overstay.

Well, how common is that? It's quite shocking if it's that easy. In Australia it would be impossible...you have to provide a long list of documents, including birth certificate.

It's troubling if the US is handing out passports to criminals who engage in identity fraud ( but at the same time make the rest of us jump though hoops and cartwheel backwards when we want to visit).

[docshock13]

12 hours ago, whatawonderfulday said:

Is there any substantiation for these allegations that Tyler Smith is really Jackson Hall other than this Facebook allegation ?

 

I am surprised that the US Embassy would release information to a Thai i.e family had contacted the US embassy and understood that Hall was using a fake passport and besides was on overstay. Which means they are not complying with there own Data Protection policy.

 

If he is then there is cause for concern. If there is no substantiation than is could be a mischievous, vicious little Thai tart out to make trouble perhaps because he rejected her advances, possibly to improve her grades. Just saying.

Agree with the first part of your post. Seems an awful lot of detail for an embassy  to handover about one of their citizens to a Thai national. 

One would think that if the FB post is true, that 1) the US Embassy would have encouraged the sister to file a report with the RTP first then report back to them so they could follow up from their side (as they have no jurisdiction to investigate in Thailand, only support and coordinate with Thai authorities), 2) after receiving said police report I would expect the US Embassy to say thank you, we will investigate and follow up and keep you posted without divulging anything, 3) why would the US Embassy admit/confirm this guy was a fugitive of the law, with a fake passport and divulge his criminal record to a foreign national? AFAIK, crim checks are requested by the person in question (usually for employment purposes) or duly authorized government authorities. 4) How would the US Embassy know the "overstay" status of this guy? Surely, that is for Thai Immigration to confirm or deny. 

I am not going to speculate about anything in this case, but my point is that surely the journalist that broke this "exclusive" TV story could have checked some facts before publication. I.e. contact the sister who posted the alert in FB. Contact the US Embassy to enquire if there was an inquiry into this guy. Fact-checking. It is (or was) the hallmark of quality journalism. Most orgs employ people for the specific task of checking facts to confirm what the journalist has come across. As another poster pointed out, until there is confirmation from a credible source that has checked the facts, this story is full of holes. Just a cut and paste job from social media. 

That being said, hope the lady is found safe and the bad guy apprehended. From the links posted he is dangerous. 

[thhMan]

13 hours ago, jerojero said:

Dare say it? Another quality farang allowed into the kingdom.

And who in your opinion should or shouldn't come to Thailand.

 

If you ask me, they should keep the pompous old twits who have some high and all mighty ego, who live by cliches

Its no wonder they are here, neither their women or their male friends want to endure any more self righteousness from them...

 

Hows them Apples!

[Wilsonandson]

Her sister Jamjit said on Facebook on the "Teaching Jobs in Thailand" page that the family had contacted the US embassy and understood that Hall was using a fake passport and besides was on overstay.

So to see the facebook page you need to open facebook.Type - "Teaching Jobs in Thailand"Join group.Seconds later you will be accepted as a member.
Scroll down and you see the same image as in the O.P
Now click on comments.
You can see all the comments people have written in reply.
Latest comment says they were seen Yesterday in Chiang Mai.
The Fugitive Jackson Matthew Hall


The missing woman Nittaya Ponsripim (Neung)

The deeper you research this missing woman the more painful it gets. She has a facebook page and it says she is seperated and on her FB page is a picture of her with her two children. So then you think, I wonder how those kids are feeling tonight?

What a world we live in. Catch this Jackson Matthew Hall.

[Grubster]

11 hours ago, whatawonderfulday said:

As my earlier post questioned, why the US Embassy tell the family who he was ? goes against policy which is why I also questioned the veracity of the story.

I previously wrote "Is there any substantiation for these allegations that Tyler Smith is really Jackson Hall other than this Facebook allegation ?

 

I am surprised that the US Embassy would release information to a Thai i.e family had contacted the US embassy and understood that Hall was using a fake passport and besides was on overstay. Which means they are not complying with there own Data Protection policy"

 

I think the story says that they contacted the US embassy and they understand that he is on a fake passport and on overstay, they didn't say the embassy told them that, maybe more likely somebody that knows him told them that, perhaps at the bar where they met or something, how, I doubt the embassy would know he had a fake passport and on overstay anyway.

[wow64]

Good guys out bad guys in 

[GOLDBUGGY]

10 minutes ago, Prbkk said:

Well, how common is that? It's quite shocking if it's that easy. In Australia it would be impossible...you have to provide a long list of documents, including birth certificate.

It's troubling if the US is handing out passports to criminals who engage in identity fraud ( but at the same time make the rest of us jump though hoops and cartwheel backwards when we want to visit).

Yes! It is surprising to me to how he was able to get a USA Passport using somebody else's ID.

 

In Canada you need 3 pieces of ID in which 2 of them are along the lines of a Birth Certificate, and Driver License. Which I suppose anyone could steal them from somebody else.

 

But the most difficult part is the Passport Application itself. You need 2 people who have known you for a few years in the past 5 years, and also some high ranking trusted official, like a Judge, Priest, Lawyer, Accountant, and so on, to sign for you.

 

Having said that and under special circumstances, you can also bypass this procedure. Had you lived in Thailand for the past 10 years, and moved back to your home country, and needed to apply for a Passport, there is no way you could know somebody their these past 5 years, or an official. So you can still get your passport if your swear and oath. I know as I had to do that once. Applying for Overseas with your last Passport and you then don't need an official.

 

But then if you stole somebodies passport, when you look a lot alike and around the same age, and his ID, how would they know in Thailand unless that person was here before and got finger printed?

 

But none the less I am still very surprised that a guy out on a Bail Bond for rape, can so easily get a passport using somebody else's ID, and flee the country. A Guy with his Criminal Record and as I understood it was already on a Bail Bond for another charge when he was arrested for Rape.

 

Maybe Finger Printing before he gets a Passport is better than afterwards?

[GOLDBUGGY]

3 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

as long there is no proof he is innocent as YOU.

If this is the guy which they claim, he has already jumped his Bail Bond of $30,000, which is a crime. That makes him a wanted criminal and in a country where Bounty Hunting is still legal.