Pattaya - Hua Hin Ferry 50% - 60% full in first month

[GiantFan]

3 hours ago, JSixpack said:

 

Similar boats? Similar number of trips per day? Similar passenger volume? What a joke. Nonsensical comparison merely leads to conclusions about the poster. 

Hastings, look at the big picture vs. minutiae.

[gdgbb]

7 hours ago, catman20 said:

early days

Yes, we all know it's early days but it's still proving successful in it's early days which would normally be the period that a new venture was not necessarily successful.

 

It sounds like you are one of the many Thaivisa posters who, for some inexplicable reason, want the ferry service to fail.

[gdgbb]

12 hours ago, GiantFan said:

FYI, Dover to Calais ferry, 1.5 hrs passenger only fare 30 GBP.  

What does that mean?  You're giving an example of a completely dissimilar ferry trip, on the other side of the world, that is more expensive than the HH ferry.

[catman20]

23 minutes ago, gdgbb said:

Yes, we all know it's early days but it's still proving successful in it's early days which would normally be the period that a new venture was not necessarily successful.

 

It sounds like you are one of the many Thaivisa posters who, for some inexplicable reason, want the ferry service to fail.

no i am sorry you are wrong there, do the maths,1,250 one way return 2,500 family of four say = 10,000 baht i come from the UK = 222 pounds sterling for a day trip if you decided to stay longer you then have other expenses like hotel food ect. that a huge amount of money for 99% of people living here. Now lets go onto the Thai people living here, most Thai earn between 10 and 15,000 baht a month u think they can afford to wipe out their months salary in one day trip to Hua Hin ?  and if you have been here any length of time you will know Thai people travel in packs of a lot more than 4 people. go figure 

[catman20]

6 hours ago, balo said:

It's too early to predict any numbers yet , yes we have a news story about a 50% full ferry and I guess they can survive with that when everyone's paying 2500 baht for a return ticket.

 

But I do not believe we will see that many now during low season .  How many local Thais will use the service compared to westerners ? 

tell this to  gdgbb i hope he reads your post

[fforest1]

Its all very strange....

They treat Pattayas speed boat operators like dirt..

But roll-out the red carpet for the Hua Hin ferry...Cruiser escorts,

helicopter escorts no expense is to great for the Hua Hin ferry....

 

What is not clear is who owns the Hua Hin ferry? and why?

Is the Hua Hin ferry a government backed transportation system

like a railroad?

Or is the Hua Hin ferry a private money making venture,like a tourist attraction?

 

Right now I would say its a tourist attraction because its far far too

expensive to be considered public transportation......

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 16, 2017 by fforest1

[JSixpack]

3 hours ago, fforest1 said:

Its all very strange....

 

No, nothing strange here at all except TVF Poster hostility to the new service they don't plan to use anyway. And that's only strange to those new to the forum.

 

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They treat Pattayas speed boat operators like dirt..

But roll-out the red carpet for the Hua Hin ferry...Cruiser escorts,

helicopter escorts no expense is to great for the Hua Hin ferry....

 

Speed boat operators may be compared to van operators to some degree. They're mostly unloved by everyone. You think a speedboat needs a cruiser & helicopter escort? I doubt Somchai thought about requesting such when the first speedboat took off from Pattaya Beach, what, 30 - 40 years ago? Quite a different kind of boat, and privately owned.

 

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What is not clear is who owns the Hua Hin ferry? and why?

 

No, it's all clear to anyone who reads. Government owned, privately operated. You may contact Marine Department director-general Sorasak Saensombat for questions related to the goverment's part. And you may contact the operator, Royal Passenger Liner, at their offices at the Pattaya Automatic Parking, 2nd floor, Bali Hai Pier in Pattaya or Khao Takiab Pier, the main pier in the centre of Hua Hin. Good 'nuff for you? That help?

 

Nor is the reason difficult to understand: to make money while incidentally offering a service some may enjoy or find useful. Officially, The Pattaya-Hua Hin ferry service is part of the Thai government’s East-West Ferry Project that attempts to link resorts and towns on facing coastlines of the Gulf Thailand. Now is a link better than no link? Well, probably.

 

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Right now I would say its a tourist attraction because its far far too

expensive to be considered public transportation......

 

The need for cheap mass transport by ferry between Pattaya and Hua Hin, such as between Dover & Calais, hasn't yet been demonstrated so far as I know. Certainly you have no numbers. Yes, you would ride it if were cheap mass transport; sorry, you'll just have to take the buses. Life ain't fair. Hope you can rest easy now.

 

Edited March 16, 2017 by JSixpack

[gdgbb]

9 hours ago, catman20 said:

no i am sorry you are wrong there, do the maths,1,250 one way return 2,500 family of four say = 10,000 baht i come from the UK = 222 pounds sterling for a day trip if you decided to stay longer you then have other expenses like hotel food ect. that a huge amount of money for 99% of people living here. Now lets go onto the Thai people living here, most Thai earn between 10 and 15,000 baht a month u think they can afford to wipe out their months salary in one day trip to Hua Hin ?  and if you have been here any length of time you will know Thai people travel in packs of a lot more than 4 people. go figure 

No, I am not wrong there!  The service has been a success according to the owners of the service and your maths and currency conversions are irrelevant to that! 

 

Your speculative hypothesis about Thai family's inability to afford to use the ferry does not come into the announcement by the ferry operators of it's success either, the service is successful without those families that the service wasn't aimed at.

[catman20]

1 minute ago, gdgbb said:

No, I am not wrong there!  The service has been a success according to the owners of the service and your maths and currency conversions are irrelevant to that! 

 

Your speculative hypothesis about Thai family's inability to afford to use the ferry does not come into the announcement by the ferry operators of it's success either, the service is successful without those families that the service wasn't aimed at.

exactly according to the owners is a success  so if you take out the Thai family's using the ferry what do you have left a ex expats that may use the service once ?OK wait and see in a years time ....................ull be saying yer you was right on that one. look at all the likes that have clicked on to agree with me. 

[gdgbb]

2 minutes ago, catman20 said:

exactly according to the owners is a success  so if you take out the Thai family's using the ferry what do you have left a ex expats that may use the service once ?OK wait and see in a years time ....................ull be saying yer you was right on that one. look at all the likes that have clicked on to agree with me. 

Who else but a business owner has the right, or information, to judge a private company's success?  Certainly no one on Thaivisa is in a position to do that!

 

Don't rely too much on Thaivisa members' "Likes", "Likes" from us mean nothing and carry no weight particularly if you're using them to justify your contradictory opinion of the ferry's success.

[balo]

No, I am not wrong there!  The service has been a success according to the owners of the service and your maths and currency conversions are irrelevant to that! 

 

Your speculative hypothesis about Thai family's inability to afford to use the ferry does not come into the announcement by the ferry operators of it's success either, the service is successful without those families that the service wasn't aimed at.

Did you talk to the owners or did you just read a news story about it ? You keep suggesting that it is already a success. Try to be a little bit more moderate in your comments here on Thaivisa if you want us to take you seriously. And wait 6 months then we can talk about success or failure.

[wpcoe]

On 3/14/2017 at 9:26 PM, gdgbb said:

It's not intended to be a lunch trip service!  It docks in Hua Hin which is Hua Hin, how much nearer to Hua Hin could Hua Hin be?

I thought it docked in Takiab?  There is so much conflicting info out there (especially on TVF) that I could well be wrong.

[catman20]

2 hours ago, gdgbb said:

No, I am not wrong there!  The service has been a success according to the owners of the service and your maths and currency conversions are irrelevant to that! 

 

Your speculative hypothesis about Thai family's inability to afford to use the ferry does not come into the announcement by the ferry operators of it's success either, the service is successful without those families that the service wasn't aimed at.

your missing the point according to to owners its a success that what they say there hardly going to say well its a bit of a struggle and numbers are falling,wait and see ! how is my maths wrong ? and please tell us all WHAT CUSTOMERS WAS THE FERRY AIMED AT ? 

[catman20]

1 hour ago, balo said:

Did you talk to the owners or did you just read a news story about it ? You keep suggesting that it is already a success. Try to be a little bit more moderate in your comments here on Thaivisa if you want us to take you seriously. And wait 6 months then we can talk about success or failure.

THANK YOU IVE BEEN TRYING TO EXPLAIN THIS TO gdgbb POOR CHAP JUST DONT GET IT

Edited March 16, 2017 by catman20

[gdgbb]

3 hours ago, balo said:

Did you talk to the owners or did you just read a news story about it ? You keep suggesting that it is already a success. Try to be a little bit more moderate in your comments here on Thaivisa if you want us to take you seriously. And wait 6 months then we can talk about success or failure.

What do you think?  Of course I got the information from the news report, how else does anyone get news? 

 

I don't "keep suggesting" that the service is a success, the OP that is being discussed said that.  What logical reason do you have to think that your doubts have any more credibility than my lack of doubts in the report?  Why wait 6 months to discuss the success, are you desperately hoping it will fail by then?   Sounds just like you and most of the rest of this thread want just that.

 

By the way, I will treat your instruction for me to moderate my comments with the contempt it deserves.  How much do you think it bothers me if Thaivisa posters don't take my posts seriously?  Here's a clue, 5/8ths of sweet Fanny Adams would be very near the mark.

[gdgbb]

1 hour ago, catman20 said:

your missing the point according to to owners its a success that what they say there hardly going to say well its a bit of a struggle and numbers are falling,wait and see ! how is my maths wrong ? and please tell us all WHAT CUSTOMERS WAS THE FERRY AIMED AT ? 

I'm not missing the point, if the service was as bad as you hope it is why would the operator go to the press at all and lay the company open to criticism?

 

I didn't say that your maths was wrong, I said it was irrelevant, which it was.

 

Do you think that there is a slight possibility that the service is directed at everyone who doesn't want to go to HH just for lunch?

[gdgbb]

2 hours ago, catman20 said:

THANK YOU IVE BEEN TRYING TO EXPLAIN THIS TO gdgbb POOR CHAP JUST DONT GET IT

Enjoy your mutual admiration club.   Perhaps you will soon "get" that it is you that doesn't get it no matter how much you use caps, bold caps, red font and juvenile emoticons.

[balo]

1 hour ago, gdgbb said:

are you desperately hoping it will fail by then? 

 

Why do you desperately suggest we want it to fail `? Did I even mention that ?

You seem to try to wind up this thread , hard to take you seriously .  Let's wait for the facts , it's low season , lets see how it goes,  

 

[gdgbb]

7 hours ago, balo said:

 

Why do you desperately suggest we want it to fail `? Did I even mention that ?

You seem to try to wind up this thread , hard to take you seriously .  Let's wait for the facts , it's low season , lets see how it goes,  

 

No, you didn't, not in so many words but you're right there on the negative, lets-wait-6-more-months-the figures-don't-support-the-report bandwagon, that gives a hint that you are not prepared to accept the success that the article talks about and it's not unreasonable for anyone to think that you'd be happy to see the opposite story in 6 months.   Why wait 6 months when as far as the operators are concerned they are happy enough to call it a success so far?

 

If you perceive my comments, that don't agree with almost everyone else as a wind up, there is something wrong with you. It would be reasonable for me to also accuse almost everyone else on this thread of trying to wind it up if you think that you can apply that logic to me.

[catman20]

12 hours ago, gdgbb said:

I'm not missing the point, if the service was as bad as you hope it is why would the operator go to the press at all and lay the company open to criticism?

 

I didn't say that your maths was wrong, I said it was irrelevant, which it was.

 

Do you think that there is a slight possibility that the service is directed at everyone who doesn't want to go to HH just for lunch?

the maths is relevant for it to be a success it has to be affordable and its not.

so your now narrowing it down to people staying there for several days or weeks which then brings me back to a few expats and tourists if it is not directed at Thai people and farnags on day trips. its never going to survive at those prices, you have obviously never owned you own company.

[jaywalker]

7 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

include wear & tear, maintenance

Maintenance, sch-maintenance. The "M" in Thailand stands for maintenance.

[Rimmer]

A troll post and a reply have been removed

[gdgbb]

7 hours ago, catman20 said:

the maths is relevant for it to be a success it has to be affordable and its not.

so your now narrowing it down to people staying there for several days or weeks which then brings me back to a few expats and tourists if it is not directed at Thai people and farnags on day trips. its never going to survive at those prices, you have obviously never owned you own company.

No it's not, your maths is irrelevant unless you are part of the company and your maths is used to establish ticket prices, which it is not.  The service is already being described as a success by those in a position to know with prices at the level the operator wants, regardless of your baseless doubts and those of others here.

 

I've owned my own company for the last 25 years or so but that is also irrelevant, however, your venturing into that area does beg the question of how many ferry companies in Thailand have you owned?   That would be the only relevant question in this thread.

[Scott]

An inflammatory post and reply have been removed.  

[balo]

Again, lets wait and see 6 months . I am sure gdgbb will be pleased like the rest of us if it's still is a success.

[Golden Triangle]

Is this a private conversation or can anyone join in 

[whatawonderfulday]

2 minutes ago, Golden Triangle said:

Is this a private conversation or can anyone join in 

Yes it is getting a bit monotonous. Same posturing by the same people in fact below describes the current state of this thread pictorially

 

 

[gdgbb]

8 hours ago, balo said:

Again, lets wait and see 6 months . I am sure gdgbb will be pleased like the rest of us if it's still is a success.

Back tracking a bit now?... I'm already happy to see a successful enterprise in Thailand, it's a shame "the rest of us" aren't happy with the success now!

[balo]

Back tracking a bit now?... I'm already happy to see a successful enterprise in Thailand, it's a shame "the rest of us" aren't happy with the success now!

What do you mean by back tracking ? We don't know if it will be a success yet , we only know they claim to have the ferry 50% full of passengers daily based on one news report. That's not much to base a success story on, don't you agree ?

[gdgbb]

5 minutes ago, balo said:

 

What do you mean by back tracking ? We don't know if it will be a success yet , we only know they claim to have the ferry 50% full of passengers daily based on one news report. That's not much to base a success story on, don't you agree ?

Come on, the very first sentence of the OP references it's success by using that word and "we" do know that it is a success so far because the company has reported that it is.  If anyone is doubting the company's claim then they should provide some tangible evidence, surely?

 

You may see the operator's claim as impartial but it's all that anyone can go on; no one on Thaivisa is in a credible position to doubt the operator's report.