Really had enough of Win 10.

billd766 · April 20, 2017

4 hours ago, MalandLee said:

Easy Fix - Go to >Tools >Options > Load and save > General and change "Document type" to a "Micro$oft file type. You doc's will now save in a cross platform format.

I understand that bit but my memory dumps every so often and I forget. It is easy to do a "save as" but I think it is just an age related thing as I use Libre Office all the time.

2 hours ago, RigPig said:

abab · April 20, 2017

Today updated 3 computers to the latest windows 10 major update, still no problem with the best windows ever made

https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=845981

During that time, some people are still wondering how a knife can cut butter...

Edited April 20, 2017 by abab

RigPig · April 20, 2017

Actually what I am wondering is if it is so good, why is EVERYONE who uses it, running additional programs to make it work? Including Anti Virus, Malware, Spy Ware, defrag, regitry tuners etc. too many to name. People are not that satisfied with the "out of the box" product even after how many years? You would think they would have got it right by now, they have just about "milked it" for all it's worth!!

But what can you expect from someone who sold IBM an operating system he never had and couldn't write in the first place!!!

Let's just hope the Carl Vinson isn't running it hahaha!

JSixpack · April 20, 2017

18 minutes ago, RigPig said:

Actually what I am wondering is if it is so good, why is EVERYONE who uses it, running additional programs to make it work?

'Cause they're ignorant, sold on paranoia, and living in the past. All that extra stuff's no longer needed, really. Some, like registry tuners, are just snake oil.

tropo · April 20, 2017

48 minutes ago, RigPig said:

Actually what I am wondering is if it is so good, why is EVERYONE who uses it, running additional programs to make it work? Including Anti Virus, Malware, Spy Ware, defrag, regitry tuners etc. too many to name. People are not that satisfied with the "out of the box" product even after how many years? You would think they would have got it right by now, they have just about "milked it" for all it's worth!!

But what can you expect from someone who sold IBM an operating system he never had and couldn't write in the first place!!!

Let's just hope the Carl Vinson isn't running it hahaha!

Do you think someone else might have done a better job?... and got it perfect from the start. People try to do so much with computers it surprising Windows can cope as well as it does.

Edited April 20, 2017 by tropo

RigPig · April 20, 2017

26 minutes ago, JSixpack said:

'Cause they're ignorant, sold on paranoia, and living in the past. All that extra stuff's no longer needed, really. Some, like registry tuners, are just snake oil.

AND..... Anti Virus software, Malware software, Spyware software, defagers...... All un necessary?

Windoze still leaves most if not all of the doors open, it's up to you to close them, if only we knew where and what they all are!! But I suspect if you did it render the computer unuseable....

RigPig · April 20, 2017

3 minutes ago, tropo said:

Do you think someone else might have done a better job?... and got it perfect from the start. People try to do so much with computers it surprising Windows can cope as well as it does.

The ONLY problem I have with my Linux machines is running dedicated Windoze software, and I sure as He11 don't run any of that other garbage!!

MOST people only surf the net, social media, write letters and send emails and maybe a spreadsheet!! Is that expecting too much?

Edited April 20, 2017 by RigPig
Forgot the last bit

tropo · April 20, 2017

3 minutes ago, RigPig said:

The ONLY problem I have with my Linux machines is running dedicated Windoze software, and I sure as He11 don't run any of that other garbage!!

MOST people only surf the net, social media, write letters and send emails and maybe a spreadsheet!! Is that expecting too much?

A lot of people do a lot more than that. That's only a fraction of what I do on my computers, and I'm no computer genius.

The problem I have with trying a different operating system is that I've been using Windows since 3.1, over 20 years, so it's hard to change. I do have a Mac, but I still prefer Windows, even though the Mac may be more reliable.

RigPig · April 20, 2017

1 minute ago, tropo said:

A lot of people do a lot more than that. That's only a fraction of what I do on my computers, and I'm no computer genius.

The problem I have with trying a different operating system is that I've been using Windows since 3.1, over 20 years, so it's hard to change. I do have a Mac, but I still prefer Windows, even though the Mac may be more reliable.

My Ubuntu machines are more like the old 3.1 used to be in the first place, which is why I like it KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) is my moto!!

Apples OS is Linux based anyway as is Android.....

JSixpack · April 20, 2017

48 minutes ago, RigPig said:

AND..... Anti Virus software, Malware software, Spyware software, defagers...... All un necessary?

Yes, as noted. Try to keep up.

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Windoze still leaves most if not all of the doors open

No.

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But I suspect if you did it render the computer unuseable....

True, users are their own worst enemies; so if a computer is rendered unusable, it's usually because they screwed it up.

Edited April 20, 2017 by JSixpack

tropo · April 20, 2017

46 minutes ago, JSixpack said:

Yes, as noted. Try to keep up.

No.

True, users are their own worst enemies; so if a computer is rendered unusable, it's usually because they screwed it up.

Every single problem I've had with Windows 10 was absolutely no fault of my own. Just the simple process of letting it auto-update screwed a number of my systems up to the point of rendering them unusable. The update process wouldn't complete. It took a lot of work to get them up and running again.

At other times certain functions such as the clock and start button stopped responding. Sometimes system tray items just disappear.

It's important to note that I have 4 systems running Windows 10. I only had updating issues on 3 of the 4, however even the trouble free one has had other minor issues.

Edited April 20, 2017 by tropo

JSixpack · April 20, 2017

1 hour ago, tropo said:

Every single problem I've had with Windows 10 was absolutely no fault of my own. Just the simple process of letting it auto-update screwed a number of my systems up to the point of rendering them unusable. The update process wouldn't complete. It took a lot of work to get them up and running again.

At other times certain functions such as the clock and start button stopped responding. Sometimes system tray items just disappear.

It's important to note that I have 4 systems running Windows 10. I only had updating issues on 3 of the 4, however even the trouble free one has had other minor issues.

Unusable and usually. There are always exceptions. Re: problems, Win 10, now, is new, ambitious, and still under development. It was released too early, IMO. Users often don't update all the drivers to the Win 10 versions. What with all the updates of drivers, app software, and relentlessly the OS, problems are bound to happen. That's one reason I've been staying w/ my ancient installation of Win 7, tuned, tweaked, and pimped to perfection. :) That said, Win 10 is installed on millions of computers now, though the market share is still only 27% vs Win 7's 40%. Though we always hear about problems, not about all the satisfaction, it's not clear whether the majority of users have them (I don't think so); how serious they really are; what really caused them; and how many are just cases of PEBCAK. I hear about the craziest "problems." Guy called me late a couple weeks ago crying that his Win 10 had changed over to French. I was getting ready to do the local settings dance but after a few more questions discovered he'd accidentally surfed to the French version of a fave website. :) Problem is, users get no training at all; they just jump in and eventually mess up some setting or can't find the right setting or try to "improve" or "fix" something or fall for scamware, etc. etc.

Edited April 20, 2017 by JSixpack

ajarngreg · April 20, 2017

3 hours ago, JSixpack said:

'Cause they're ignorant, sold on paranoia, and living in the past. All that extra stuff's no longer needed, really. Some, like registry tuners, are just snake oil.

At least some of us us know how to use W 10 and if something doesn't work anymore there's enough information to get it solved.

My PC's and my notebook, nor any of my friends' machines with W 10 on them need to see a Thai "technician". Until now, they just don't get this version of Windows cracked..

I have only met very few so called technicians who could read English well enough to understand how to troubleshoot W 10.

Please have a look at a PC that comes back from a Thai repair shop with a just installed and "brand new OS" on it to understand how people can really mess up everything that's possible.

You'll find Baidu as the browser, Baidu as AV, Baidu for everything on a fishy copy of Windows 8. Updates turned off. My school bought a new notebook at Advice and the technician ( I've got a huge problem to call them so) put W 10 on. Holy buffaloes....

I checked the system and it looked okay on the first day. It showed W 10 Pro and they didn't pay extra for the program. But already the first update found out what they'd done and the message: " Windows is not activated" showed up. I found my own way to handle it, after our computer teachers tried their tricks all day long.

The shop immediately stopped to put W 10 on and there's not one shop in my area where you can get a 350 baht W 10 Pro installation. They all have the same shitty set up software, already spiked with all sorts of viruses and Trojan horses. The Chinese crap they put on then does the rest. When you make the mistake and go to such a shop you're asking for troubles.

Some members here who believe that the free version of AVG plus Malwarebytes solves all problems when surfing through the X-hamster and other porn world helps them to bypass certain diseases, until the Chinese UC opens all sorts of browsers, of course in Chinese, deletes what it wants and there's no way for them to use their free AVG and Malwarebytes to get rid off that stuff.

A great technology is here with W 10 and the bugs seem to be solved. I'm sorry, but Linux is for people who do not really have to do serious stuff on a PC on daily basis. I don't think it's fair to make funny comments about people who like W 10.

And it's quite easy to understand why Windows users need AV protection. Because most people around the world are using Windows products,and many of these companies who sell AV software, are also producing viruses and Trojan horses.

It's a billion dollar market and it's incredible how many strange products they're selling and tell people what they'd need. It starts from Defragment programs and ends at registry tuners.

Not too long ago a guy with his Apple flatheadbook was laughing about me using Windows. Three weeks later, his notebook didn't work anymore because a very serious virus had switched him off his Apple tree. That was my time to start laughing, showing him my way cheaper Dell with Windows 10 on it.

Soon before I'd warned him because his Apple had sent countless-mails to all contacts in his list, and those who weren't aware what sort of mail it was , needed a new program a day later. But the guy still didn't get it.

Not too long ago, most Apple users were thinking that they'd be on the safe side of it. But when more and more users bought an Apple product, it turned out that also Apple machines are easily hack-able and not immune against viruses and Trojan horses.

Here're only a few posts from Apple customers who did experience problems with viruses. These days also Apple computers need an AV system.

https://www.apple.com/shop/question/answers/readonly/tag/mac/do-i-need-an-antivirus-program-for-my-macbook-pro/Q7HU22X2K27JTAF7J

Dear Linux specialist.

Could you pleas explain how you're doing online banking with your so superficial system?

A PC is only as good as the person who's using it.

Edited April 20, 2017 by ajarngreg

ajarngreg · April 20, 2017

48 minutes ago, JSixpack said:

Unusable and usually. There are always exceptions. Re: problems, Win 10, now, is new, ambitious, and still under development. It was released too early, IMO. Users often don't update all the drivers to the Win 10 versions. What with all the updates of drivers, app software, and relentlessly the OS, problems are bound to happen. That's one reason I've been staying w/ my ancient installation of Win 7, tuned, tweaked, and pimped to perfection. :) That said, Win 10 is installed on millions of computers now, though the market share is still only 27% vs Win 7's 40%. Though we always hear about problems, not about all the satisfaction, it's not clear whether the majority of users have them (I don't think so); how serious they really are; what really caused them; and how many are just cases of PEBCAK. I hear about the craziest "problems." Guy called me late a couple weeks ago crying that his Win 10 had changed over to French. I was getting ready to do the local settings dance but after a few more questions discovered he'd accidentally surfed to the French version of a fave website. :) Problem is, users get no training at all; they just jump in and eventually mess up some setting or can't find the right setting or try to "improve" or "fix" something or fall for scamware, etc. etc.

Many W 10 Pro users don't even know that they can change the whole PC into a different language. All you have to do is to download a language pack, set the language as the default language and make a restart.

When the PC boots up, you see all in the chosen language. isn't that great and easy to use for a Thai/English couple for example?

Just switch it to Thai, when wifey wants to use it to get her familiar with it.

But that's the problem with it. Too many people don't understand simple things.

Edited April 20, 2017 by ajarngreg

tropo · April 20, 2017

2 hours ago, JSixpack said:

Unusable and usually. There are always exceptions. Re: problems, Win 10, now, is new, ambitious, and still under development. It was released too early, IMO. Users often don't update all the drivers to the Win 10 versions. What with all the updates of drivers, app software, and relentlessly the OS, problems are bound to happen. That's one reason I've been staying w/ my ancient installation of Win 7, tuned, tweaked, and pimped to perfection. :) That said, Win 10 is installed on millions of computers now, though the market share is still only 27% vs Win 7's 40%. Though we always hear about problems, not about all the satisfaction, it's not clear whether the majority of users have them (I don't think so); how serious they really are; what really caused them; and how many are just cases of PEBCAK. I hear about the craziest "problems." Guy called me late a couple weeks ago crying that his Win 10 had changed over to French. I was getting ready to do the local settings dance but after a few more questions discovered he'd accidentally surfed to the French version of a fave website. :) Problem is, users get no training at all; they just jump in and eventually mess up some setting or can't find the right setting or try to "improve" or "fix" something or fall for scamware, etc. etc.

LOL> there's no PEBCAK in my house.

When you've had trouble with 3 systems (out of 4) updating to the anniversary update, I'm afraid the problem is definitely Microsoft. Let me clarify that. All systems are working perfectly.... Restart to install the major update, and the updates wouldn't complete and that famous little dotted circle kept spinning and spinning. I can always fix a system myself if I have to, and get things working again, but I'd wasted a day or 2 on it. What a shame it wasn't at Songkran, then I could have quickly killed a few more days LOL.

Such a drama is this that I make sure I have a full system image backup to restore my system to a working condition before I attempt any major updates. Murphys Law dictates that a system usually fails when you most need it. As soon as I heard the next major update was on the way (Creaters update) I immediately made new backup images. So far this year I've been lucky with all the update packages. Fingers crossed! With Windows you always need some luck. Back in the old days when you heard about a major update, you'd scream "Yippee!". Now I think "damn... not another update... my system was working just fine".... and you can't avoid it for long either. If you have the pro version you can delay it for awhile, but sooner or later you'll be forced to take it.

I've found the native Windows system restore in Windows 10 to be totally useless. Every time I've tried to use it I get the message "System restore didn't complete successfully" error.

I highly recommend Windows 10 users to get the free Macrium Reflect. It makes restoring your computer back to a previous state fast and easy.

This is a PEBCAK free zone.

Edited April 20, 2017 by tropo

JaseTheBass · April 21, 2017

Try Libre Office it's free and there is a Windoze version, VERY close to the older versions of office, which I prefer to the newer ones. I would be interested in your opinion... NOT trying to hyjack the thread but!!

Had nothing but problems with the Libre Office version of Powerpoint. If you rely on the Office Suite for you livelihood like I do, it simply isn't up to scratch,

Sent from my Cray II supercomputer

smedly · April 21, 2017

12 hours ago, RigPig said:

And Log tables..... I wonder how many kids would even know what they were...

I see them in some bars and they are really heavy

JaseTheBass · April 21, 2017

One thing that many people don't understand is that although W10 might appear buggy and slow when first installed or after a major update, it does sort itself out after a couple of days as it gradually fixes and optimises itself so it is tailored for each individual system.

It can be very frustrating initially though.

Sent from my Cray II supercomputer

smedly · April 21, 2017

8 hours ago, RigPig said:

Actually what I am wondering is if it is so good, why is EVERYONE who uses it, running additional programs to make it work? Including Anti Virus, Malware, Spy Ware, defrag, regitry tuners etc. too many to name. People are not that satisfied with the "out of the box" product even after how many years? You would think they would have got it right by now, they have just about "milked it" for all it's worth!!

But what can you expect from someone who sold IBM an operating system he never had and couldn't write in the first place!!!

Let's just hope the Carl Vinson isn't running it hahaha!

I posted about this earlier

There are a few that think they need too and then there are those that know they don't.

Every occasion I have had to sort out someones PC - the problem has been because of some software they thought or someone else told them they needed

clutter

smedly · April 21, 2017

8 hours ago, RigPig said:

The ONLY problem I have with my Linux machines is running dedicated Windoze software, and I sure as He11 don't run any of that other garbage!!

MOST people only surf the net, social media, write letters and send emails and maybe a spreadsheet!! Is that expecting too much?

horses for courses, I have used many operating systems for many different things - windows does 100% what I need it to do for home use - Linux wouldn't come close to that so why would I bother

Would I use UNIX on my home system ?

GREP

JSixpack · April 21, 2017

18 minutes ago, smedly said:

horses for courses, I have used many operating systems for many different things - windows does 100% what I need it to do for home use - Linux wouldn't come close to that so why would I bother

Would I use UNIX on my home system ?

GREP

AstroGrep

TextCrawler

Edited April 21, 2017 by JSixpack

smedly · April 21, 2017

Is windows perfect ...........................No

Because half the world is trying to hack it and MS can't cover all the bases all of the time, but remember it is an open system, you can pretty much do what you want unlike Apple which is brand specific and much easier to manage (for Apple)

MS Windows is a jack of all trades and all considered does an exceptional job, my experience is that when it is broken it is usually something the user has done or some software utility they have installed and thought they needed when they didn't, some would argue that they shouldn't be allowed to mess it up like that - welcome to Apple OS ...................... closed and brand specific

smedly · April 21, 2017

2 minutes ago, JSixpack said:

AstroGrep

lol

petermik · April 21, 2017

On 4/16/2017 at 2:31 AM, transam said:

..Also their Driver booster, it fixes and monitors all your drivers and updates..

Driver Booster is responsible for <deleted> up my Asus netbook,after installing and downloading the "outdated drivers" it completely rendered my pc useless....I had to do a full reinstall of Win 10.

AVOID at all cost DRIVER BOOSTER or any other 3rd party so called driver updaters.

transam · April 21, 2017

5 minutes ago, petermik said:

Driver Booster is responsible for <deleted> up my Asus netbook,after installing and downloading the "outdated drivers" it completely rendered my pc useless....I had to do a full reinstall of Win 10.

AVOID at all cost DRIVER BOOSTER or any other 3rd party so called driver updaters.

10bit driver booster works great for me, it found and fixed loads of drivers. My keyboard was "sticking" a few weeks back, found an old one, plugged it in and the program told me the driver for it was ancient and installed the latest driver...

Seems obvious to me we will all get a problem at sometime for various different reasons.

JSixpack · April 21, 2017

5 hours ago, tropo said:

This is a PEBCAK free zone.

May it always remain so.

JSixpack · April 21, 2017

53 minutes ago, transam said:

10bit driver booster works great for me, it found and fixed loads of drivers.

"Fixed" those that didn't need no fixing. Sooner or later you run into problems w/ that approach.

When to update drivers

When it comes to device drivers, I’m a firm believer in “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. That means I don’t go updating drivers just for the sake of updating drivers. I need a reason.

This is contrary to my approach to all the other software on a machine, which is to keep it as up-to-date as possible. With drivers, I don’t do that.

--https://askleo.com/how_and_when_should_i_update_drivers/

JSixpack · April 21, 2017

2 hours ago, JaseTheBass said:

Had nothing but problems with the Libre Office version of Powerpoint. If you rely on the Office Suite for you livelihood like I do, it simply isn't up to scratch,

Sent from my Cray II supercomputer

Right. I try to use LibreOffice whenever possible but sometimes it's a bit more work (e. g., just doing a properly formatted non-consecutive numbered list) and doesn't have something that's nice to have in M'soft Office. Now Writer does have that convenient Export to PDF. There's Base, which isn't bad for designing a basic query. But if you're really serious, Base ain't enough. And there's just no way I'm gonna migrate a lot of big fat hairy VBA macros into LibreOffice Basic or Python.

LibreOffice has a portable edition, BTW--fits in w/ the rational policy of using portable apps whenever possible . . . .

tropo · April 21, 2017

3 hours ago, smedly said:

I posted about this earlier

There are a few that think they need too and then there are those that know they don't.

Every occasion I have had to sort out someones PC - the problem has been because of some software they thought or someone else told them they needed

clutter

I think you've got that the wrong way around.

IMO It should be: "there are many that think they need to and a few that think they don't".

Do you have any conclusive evidence from a computer guru that "cleaners" are not necessary? If so, I'd like to see it. I've seen quite a few arguments both ways. If I was like you who "knows" you don't need them, I would stop paying for my favourite cleaner.

It's accepted in the Windows computer world that after time most systems slow down and eventually require clean re-installation to remove the clutter that slows the system down. I know why my systems slow down - from having too many programs installed. I keep thinking I'll need them but never use them LOL.

I use system "cleaners". I have not re-installed Windows on the computer that I'm typing on now since 2011. I upgraded from Windows 7 to 10.

I will say this... I installed Windows 10 in an attempt to improve on a failing Windows 7. If I didn't I was facing the necessity of doing a clean install anyway, so I thought I'd give it ago seeing it was being offered for free. It worked! It runs very well other than the odd bug and a few nightmares during updates.

transam · April 21, 2017

I have never heard of a prob with CCleaner..

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