Belgian tourist's death on Koh Tao - police deny several online rumors

[Jonathan Fairfield]

Belgian tourist's death on Koh Tao - police deny several online rumors

 

Image: Thairath

 

Koh Tao police have refuted several online rumors circulating around the death of the Belgian tourist found hanged on the controversial island in April.

 

As the results of an autopsy were revealed police have said there is no truth to online suggestions in news media that the body was ravaged by animals and covered in t-shirts.

 

They also denied that her travel bag had shown up in Chumpon on the mainland.

 

But they have confirmed that there had been a fire at the bungalow where she was staying some time before she was found dead on the other side of the island.

 

Elise Dallemange aged just 30 was found hanging from a tree at Tanote Bay, Thai Rath reported. 

 

Chokchai Sutthimek of the local police said that an autopsy confirmed that she had died from suffocation consistent with hanging.

 

She was is thought to have died on the 23rd or 24th of April.

 

The police have been in touch with the Belgian Embassy and Elise's mother was coming to collect what remained of her personal effects.

 

Chokchai said that the staff at the bungalow's where Elise was staying are to be interviewed again.

 

He said there had been a fire in the bungalow where she stayed that caused panic in the resort.

 

Elise herself had run out of the detached bungalow, then some time after disappeared.

 

Police think that the fire was caused by a candle or a lantern. The Ao Mae Hat bungalow owner decided not to press charges.

 

Chokchai said that there was evidence that she had planned to leave for Bangkok on the 24th via boat to Chumporn.

 

He said that her bag was not found there and searches of left luggage have turned up nothing.

 

Online rumors about animals eating parts of her body and it being covered in t-shirts were similarly not true, he said.

 

Earlier in the week The Samui Times had called Koh Tao "Death Island" after several high profile murders, deaths and apparent mysteries connected with the holiday haven.

 

Many of those have been young people and this most recent death is sure to stir up yet more comment about the island.

 

A resident this week defended the island but was roundly turned on by people on social media who screamed "whitewash".

 

 

-- © Copyright Thai Visa News 2017-06-29

 

 

[NCC1701A]

here we go again...

[IslandLover]

Damage limitation exercise

[Bangkok Barry]

Of all the places to go in the world, why do people choose that place. Don't they do any research when planning a trip?

[clockman]

Another of the loud syndrome Or. Land Of Unexplained Deaths!

[z42]

Dolts in uniform.. pathetic $hit show as per ?

[rockingrobin]

Why did Elise feel the need to use a fake name, and the police carry out 2 autopsies

[baboon]

12 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Of all the places to go in the world, why do people choose that place. Don't they do any research when planning a trip?

I meet / have met a fair few on their way there. You would be astonished by the number who are aware of the killings but simply couldn't care less, I'm afraid. Nor could they care less about lining the pockets of any mafia figures - It's all about them and their enjoyment.

 

Those of you who think that travel warnings will make the slightest difference to Ko Tao's tourist demographic are very sorely mistaken, in my opinion. That is not to say they should not be issued...

[rockingrobin]

Now being reported police ordered to re-open case,

 

[worgeordie]

Quite a lot of denials by the Police,this and that did not happen,

but what did happen,another cover up.

regards worgeordie

[smedly]

not speaking about Thailand  just a general comment - you have your own thoughts and opinions about what goes on  

 

when you have corruption with police and justice systems there are no barriers - it runs right through the whole system from top to bottom, from the police - forensics - coroner - local authorities - people of influence - courts - judges  and all ultimately linked to money or protection or both, it enables the outcomes of investigations to be completely manipulated - evidence hidden away - evidence made up to look a certain way without any way of proving otherwise - manufactured witness statements etc. the list is endless but the goal is the same, this is why in the west we have procedures for everything and we actually have police etc. who will do their very best to solve a crime and bring the right people to justice.

[saakura]

So when there was a fire in the resort where she was staying, she ran to the other side of death island and hung herself from a tree? BS!!

[Bigdogfarang]

Is there a serial killer on koh toa? So many  suspicious hangings and deaths - rhetorical question I guess 

[observer90210]

The culprits came from a close border, swam across and committed the crime - case closed.

 

More seriously, time to purchase some good CSI approved DNA investigation equipment and training, rather then spend billions the the US Made military crap...could save far more lives.

 

Maybe the European Union could wake up and walk down from it's throne in Bruxelles and ask Thailand for some clarifications?

 

In the meantime, girls, especially those travelling alone, should take extra caution and even avoid the area if possible....but that is IMHO... I'm sure the parents of this poor girl would think the same if they could travel back in time...

 

Deepest sympathy to her familiy and close ties.

 

Requiescant in pace©

Edited June 29, 2017 by observer90210

[observer90210]

2 hours ago, baboon said:

I meet / have met a fair few on their way there. You would be astonished by the number who are aware of the killings but simply couldn't care less, I'm afraid. Nor could they care less about lining the pockets of any mafia figures - It's all about them and their enjoyment.

 

Those of you who think that travel warnings will make the slightest difference to Ko Tao's tourist demographic are very sorely mistaken, in my opinion. That is not to say they should not be issued...

Very sad for this girl deceased and the others and full respect and sympathy to the family,

 

But you are very true....people act often in patterns that just attract trouble...and when challenged, they tend to respond that it is their right to have fun, their right to wear a (fake) golden Rolex well visible in a dark lit street and to act ostentatiously as it is their right and thus if they are in trouble it's not their fault, they did nothing to attract it and it's the whole world to blame but not them....I exaggerate a bit but that is the general  dynamics, unfortunately......Do agree of course it is not their fault, but at some point it can attract trouble..

[observer90210]

57 minutes ago, Bigdogfarang said:

Is there a serial killer on koh toa? So many  suspicious hangings and deaths - rhetorical question I guess 

serial killer?

drug consumption?

drug trafficking?

booze topped with GHb?

sex with the wrong people that turns nasty?

rash or unsafe patterns with unknown people?

neither of all above?

 

One thing for sure is that it is those who survive the deceased, who will suffer most.

 

[TheLobster]

3 posts in a row observer90210, my pet hate, and it would suggest you have a vested interest in discrediting the possibility of death island & co. striking again.

 

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/inside-the-bizarre-cult-backpacker-had-joined-before-being-found-dead-and-half-eaten-by-lizards-on-thailands-murder-island/ar-BBDrt60?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=spartanntp

 

It has taken 2 months to report this. Two <deleted> months.

 

A final point, never let your loved ones be cremated in Thailand, get them home for a real autopsy.
 

[observer90210]

9 minutes ago, TheLobster said:

3 posts in a row observer90210, my pet hate, and it would suggest you have a vested interest in discrediting the possibility of death island & co. striking again.

 

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/inside-the-bizarre-cult-backpacker-had-joined-before-being-found-dead-and-half-eaten-by-lizards-on-thailands-murder-island/ar-BBDrt60?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=spartanntp

 

It has taken 2 months to report this. Two <deleted> months.

 

A final point, never let your loved ones be cremated in Thailand, get them home for a real autopsy.
 

Hello Lobster, my dinner hate...., the cult issue could also be part of the plot!!...I am not ruling out or discrediting anything.....but perhaps I am the wrong person to attempt to convince, despite my 3 posts that you have so kindly "read" and leaves me so honoured....maybe you should try to convince a well placed boy dressed in brown with parachute wings!?!

 

As for cremating my loved ones, well I'll keep that in mind if necessary and so kind of you for the precious advice. But sometimes, if the local customs or rules call for cremating before hand, what can the person claiming the body do against that?...Looks that a few high level strings would need to be pushed and fast!

 

p.s. as you have become my personnal accountant in counting my posts, this would thus be my IVth post in the row?..

Edited June 29, 2017 by observer90210

[Rhys]

RIP to the Family... 

[TheLobster]

36 minutes ago, observer90210 said:

As for cremating my loved ones, well I'll keep that in mind if necessary and so kind of you for the precious advice.

 

p.s. as you have become my personnal accountant in counting my posts, this would thus be my IVth post in the row?..

As your TV accountant I can advise you that this is your 1st post in a row without reply. Christ, you are soo so funny 555.

 

My advice regarding sending a body home for an autopsy is sound. If you consider the high profile Koh Tao case then the police claimed they found sperm from the Burmese 2 in the body of poor Hannah, yet the UK autopsy found no evidence of rape. The court accepted the police testimony as they are fine and upstanding Thai citizens (of course, clearly no need for any documented creditable evidence) Difficult to explain ! Wouldn't you say?

Edited June 29, 2017 by TheLobster

[observer90210]

3 minutes ago, TheLobster said:

As your TV accountant I can advise you that this is your 1st post in a row without reply. Christ, you are soo so funny 555.

 

well perhaps if there was no question, it could be a reason to lack a reply? Good to see you laugh a bit...laughing chills down!  555. (whatever that may mean)

[TheLobster]

1 minute ago, observer90210 said:

well perhaps if there was no question, it could be a reason to lack a reply? Good to see you laugh a bit...laughing chills down!  555. (whatever that may mean)

5 is Ha or Haa in Thai hence it means ha ha ha, (laughing). New here?

 

I wanted to add this to my previous post:

Forgot to add that the UK autopsy report in the above case was presented to the Thai court by Andy Hall but was ruled not acceptable evidence (by the Thai Judges) as Andy Hall is not a Forensic Scientist and could not answer the prosecutions questions. So if you prosecute a person over here for killing your loved one be prepared to fly the person who performed the autopsy over. 

[Bastos60]

3 hours ago, rockingrobin said:

Now being reported police ordered to re-open case,

 

That is correct. I read the article in a belgian newspaper.  

She was found rotting between boulders on the beach. She was not found hanging from a tree as is reported in the posted article.

They also found that the name she registered with in the resort was changed and her real name was scratched through.

 

She was to return to belgium 2 days later.

[Bastos60]

1 hour ago, Bigdogfarang said:

Is there a serial killer on koh toa? So many  suspicious hangings and deaths - rhetorical question I guess 

They reported that also in a Belgian newspaper that it is suspected a serial killer lives on the island.

[observer90210]

35 minutes ago, TheLobster said:

5 is Ha or Haa in Thai hence it means ha ha ha, (laughing). New here?

 

I wanted to add this to my previous post:

Forgot to add that the UK autopsy report in the above case was presented to the Thai court by Andy Hall but was ruled not acceptable evidence (by the Thai Judges) as Andy Hall is not a Forensic Scientist and could not answer the prosecutions questions. So if you prosecute a person over here for killing your loved one be prepared to fly the person who performed the autopsy over. 

ok for once a decent explaination, and politely put by yourself... carry on, you are on the right track!

 

too keep it simple and concise, if a victims family has money, obviously they can call for justice and the counter expertises (and fly over the concerned as you suggest), if not....guess?....nothing new here, pal...that's how the whole Criminal Justice system  works actually in Thailand.....new here?...byebye

Edited June 29, 2017 by observer90210

[Scott]

Off-topic post and reply removed.   Continued posting of off-topic or inflammatory remarks will result in suspensions.  

[TheLobster]

26 minutes ago, Scott said:

Off-topic post and reply removed.   Continued posting of off-topic or inflammatory remarks will result in suspensions.  

Fair enough Scott, sorry for being soo ... naughty!

 

BTW do you know anyone in Thailand that doesn't know what 555 means?

[observer90210]

7 minutes ago, TheLobster said:

Fair enough Scott, sorry for being soo ... naughty!

 

BTW do you know anyone in Thailand that doesn't know what 555 means?

of course many people do not know....myself for instance

welcome back

[HiSoLowSoNoSo]

2 hours ago, Bastos60 said:

That is correct. I read the article in a belgian newspaper.  

She was found rotting between boulders on the beach. She was not found hanging from a tree as is reported in the posted article.

They also found that the name she registered with in the resort was changed and her real name was scratched through.

 

She was to return to belgium 2 days later.

Wonder why the local police says she hanged herself and why did police keep this case secret to this day??????

 

"Police told the mother that the daughter had committed suicide and hanged herself on a tree. We have information from an eye-witnesses that the body of Elise was wrapped up in old T-Shirts or some cotton and a fuel bottle was found in a nearby small bag, too. The mother has confirmed this information and was passed on to her by the police, although she cannot accept why her daughter would have killed herself – she was acting normally during their last conversation and no signs of depression were visible, said mother Michele. She also wonders why she booked a transfer to Bangkok and then went into the jungle to commit suicide."

 

Cases of female hangings are incredibly rare. An experienced police psychologist in Germany said women kill themselves almost always by overdose or cutting there wrist but he never had a single case in his career with a young female taking a rope out in the unknown nature.

 

 

 

 

 

[observer90210]

...and another post read today on TV on a different thread regarding these mysterious deaths, suggested deaths due to excessive exposure of bed bug chemicals!!!!! Hard to laugh or cry on this!!?