deported because of basking..

[Monkeyrobot]

Was the problem you were playing for donations or you are a bad singer? 

10,000B sounds a bit rich , good luck on the re entry. 

[Tchooptip]

1 hour ago, craigt3365 said:

Yeah, I saw that pic of his stamps.  I know of many musicians who've been hauled in.  All just paid a fine and were let go.  And are still playing today! LOL

 

But none were busking in a market.  That's a huge no-no here.  Still, seems deportation was a bit harsh, especially after the big fine! LOL

 

"But none were busking in a market.  That's a huge no-no here"

I thought so too...but:

 

In Lamai's walking market a foreigner gentleman is singing every single week, I would say "officially" since it is with the main sound system used by the Thai.

It is every single week for years, dozens of tourists are taking pictures and videos.

I must say I never understood how this was possible for on a chair in front of him recently I saw a little box for donation with money in it! 

I have seen many videos on YouTube they called it Edgar Murray show? So someone is busking (almost) officially in Thailand 

[craigt3365]

2 minutes ago, Tchooptip said:

"But none were busking in a market.  That's a huge no-no here"

I thought so too...but:

 

In Lamai's walking market a foreigner gentleman is singing every single week, I would say "officially" since it is with the main sound system used by the Thai.

It is every single week for years, dozens of tourists are taking pictures and videos.

I must say I never understood how this was possible for on a chair in front of him recently I saw a little box for donation with money in it! 

I have seen many videos on YouTube they called it Edgar Murray show? So someone is busking (almost) officially in Thailand 

We use to have a jam here with a donation box.  The restaurant very graciously gave us one night a week to perform and all donations went to charity.  The police were called by a competitor and that was the end of that. 

 

As you know, almost anything is possible here if you have the right connections....

[Tchooptip]

2 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

We use to have a jam here with a donation box.  The restaurant very graciously gave us one night a week to perform and all donations went to charity.  The police were called by a competitor and that was the end of that. 

 

As you know, almost anything is possible here if you have the right connections....

 

As you know, almost anything is possible here if you have the right connections....

 Absolute truth for sure!

[jgarbo]

20 hours ago, muluc said:

Hello,

 

at the beginning of may this year i played some music at the market in ranong, than the immigration police came and told me i was not allowed to do that on a tourist visa,

 

they arrested me, i had to pay a fine of 10.000 baht and finally the deported me to germany...

 

I have a stamp in my passport underneath teh cancelt visa that a payed this fine to the police, but they gave me no ban to come to thailan again on the form which i got from the immigration..

 

mm question now is, if it is possibel to get a new visa or if there is a possiblity that i  blacklisted now..

 

thanks

Busking is a protected profession here, whether for reward or not. The fine is for illegal work. If  your passport doesn't have a big read stamp saying something like Banned from the Kingdom, you might be OK. Germans don't need a visa for Thailand, but you should check at a Thai consulate outside Thailand before coming.

[connda]

Note to self: Don't hum or sing in public while in Thailand.

[jgarbo]

Just now, connda said:

Note to self: Don't hum or sing in public while in Thailand.

Hum & sing all you like, but don't set up a "stage" and play for money. That requires a work permit in Thailand. Apply through the proper authorities, prove you are unique, ie No Thai can do your stuff, and you're OK. What's the problem?

[StayinThailand2much]

12 minutes ago, jgarbo said:

...prove you are unique, ie No Thai can do your stuff, and you're OK. What's the problem?

Sing in English or any other Western language, as Thais cannot do this.  

Maybe try to get a work permit or other permission from the authorities for this.

 

Do not sing karaoke-style (or in Thai), cause Thais can already do this.

Edited September 27, 2017 by StayinThailand2much

[BritTim]

29 minutes ago, jgarbo said:

Germans don't need a visa for Thailand, but you should check at a Thai consulate outside Thailand before coming.

Check what? The consulates have no access to immigration's system if you are thinking they can inform him whether he is on an immigration blacklist.

[StayinThailand2much]

53 minutes ago, Tchooptip said:

As you know, almost anything is possible here if you have the right connections....

 Absolute truth for sure!

Always wondered, how those guys do it, who hand out flyers at the BTS, or even sell food on the street in Bangkok. Would have thought that these 'jobs' are reserved for Thais.

[timendres]

21 hours ago, muluc said:

This stamp looks very similar to the stamp I get if I file my 90 day report late. I believe it is simply documenting payment of a fine that is related to immigration. The image is not clear enough for me to read the Thai, so I cannot tell you what it says exactly.

[ubonjoe]

10 minutes ago, timendres said:

This stamp looks very similar to the stamp I get if I file my 90 day report late. I believe it is simply documenting payment of a fine that is related to immigration. The image is not clear enough for me to read the Thai, so I cannot tell you what it says exactly.

It is the standard deportation stamp. Already confirmed by more than one person. It is legible if enlarged.

[timendres]

3 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

It is the standard deportation stamp. Already confirmed by more than one person. It is legible if enlarged.

Thanks for the clarification UJ. 

[tgeezer]

40 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

It is the standard deportation stamp. Already confirmed by more than one person. It is legible if enlarged.

If you can read that then "You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din" can you give me the Thai? 

There is an example of a deportation stamp earlier which says how long the ban lasts, I would expect to see some time limit on this example as well.  

[007 RED]

56 minutes ago, timendres said:

This stamp looks very similar to the stamp I get if I file my 90 day report late. I believe it is simply documenting payment of a fine that is related to immigration. The image is not clear enough for me to read the Thai, so I cannot tell you what it says exactly.

If you go back to page 1...Post No. 7 you will see what a 'banned' stamp looks like.

[ubonjoe]

2 minutes ago, tgeezer said:

If you can read that then "You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din" can you give me the Thai? 

There is an example of a deportation stamp earlier which says how long the ban lasts, I would expect to see some time limit on this example as well.  

They may been one for an overstay that shows the length of the ban.

I had two Thais read the stamp and do a basic translation of it.

Just click on the image for the first step of getting it clearer. Then click the image again to open it in a new tab. Then use Ctrl and + to enlarge it.

It would not have a ban on it since he was not banned.

 

[Grumpy Duck]

22 hours ago, 007 RED said:

If you have been prohibited (banned) from entering Thailand for any period of time you will also have a red rectangular stamp like the one attached in your passport - normally placed on the same or next page to your exit stamp.

 

Getting a new passport will be no good because when you hand the new one to the immigration officer upon arrival, and he/she scans it, the system will very quickly link the new one with your old one (Country Code: Gender; Date of Birth; Family Name).  So the IO will see your previous history.

 

If you have not been banned.... then although you may get a visa to come back to Thailand, that is no guarantee that the IO will let you in when you arrive.  The IO has discretion to refuse entry, and it all depends on how he/she feels on the day. 

I would also suspect they may require to show significant financing (cash)?

[007 RED]

19 minutes ago, tgeezer said:

If you can read that then "You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din" can you give me the Thai? 

There is an example of a deportation stamp earlier which says how long the ban lasts, I would expect to see some time limit on this example as well.  

If you are referring to the stamp which the OP originally posted, then it comprises the normal triangular Exit Stamp (dated 18 May 2017)... under that is the red Deportation Stamp which indicates the reason and fine.   If the OP was banned there would be another red rectangular stamp (as I've posted) very close to the Exit and Deported Stamps.   The Banned Stamp will indicate the length of ban (in this case 1 year) which starts from the day the OP exited Thailand.

[007 RED]

18 hours ago, Aditi Sharma said:

How come consulates do not have access to information that the immigration department has? Wont they be remiss in their duties if they grant a visa which is then countermanded by the immigration because the applicant is blacklisted?

Most Thai Embassies/Consulates throughout the world do not have access to the Immigration databases.  At best they are only able to send basic details (visa number; type; date if issue/expiry; passport number and name of holder) of visas that they have issued.  In some cases they have to send the application and accompanying documents to Immigration in Bangkok for approval.

 

You also need to remember that having been issued with a visa is no guarantee that you will be allowed to enter a country.  The decision to allow you to enter, or refuse you entry, is at the discursion of the immigration officer at your port of entry. 

 

FYI - Thai Embassies/Consulates come under the control of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA).... Immigration comes under the control of the Minister of the Interior.   These are two totally separate Thai Government bodies and it is not unusual for the MFA to have slightly different interpretation of the rules/procedures from Immigration. 

[Aditi Sharma]

22 minutes ago, 007 RED said:

Most Thai Embassies/Consulates throughout the world do not have access to the Immigration databases.  At best they are only able to send basic details (visa number; type; date if issue/expiry; passport number and name of holder) of visas that they have issued.  In some cases they have to send the application and accompanying documents to Immigration in Bangkok for approval.

 

You also need to remember that having been issued with a visa is no guarantee that you will be allowed to enter a country.  The decision to allow you to enter, or refuse you entry, is at the discursion of the immigration officer at your port of entry. 

 

FYI - Thai Embassies/Consulates come under the control of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA).... Immigration comes under the control of the Minister of the Interior.   These are two totally separate Thai Government bodies and it is not unusual for the MFA to have slightly different interpretation of the rules/procedures from Immigration. 

You are brilliant! Thank you so much!

[lkv]

2 hours ago, 007 RED said:

If you are referring to the stamp which the OP originally posted, then it comprises the normal triangular Exit Stamp (dated 18 May 2017)... under that is the red Deportation Stamp which indicates the reason and fine.   If the OP was banned there would be another red rectangular stamp (as I've posted) very close to the Exit and Deported Stamps.   The Banned Stamp will indicate the length of ban (in this case 1 year) which starts from the day the OP exited Thailand.

Not exactly.

 

I am aware of cases of people (and not suggesting this is the case of the OP), that have 99 year bans with no red stamp. Although they happened prior to 2014.

 

I have seen this red thing stamped in overstay cases, not entirely sure if they would stamp it in other cases of banning.

 

Bear in mind the OP was not on overstay, he was just deported.

 

Unlikely to be banned, but just saying.

Edited September 27, 2017 by lkv

[007 RED]

29 minutes ago, lkv said:

Not exactly.

 

I am aware of cases of people (and not suggesting this is the case of the OP), that have 99 year bans with no red stamp. Although they happened prior to 2014.

 

I have seen this red thing stamped in overstay cases, not entirely sure if they would stamp it in other cases of banning.

 

Bear in mind the OP was not on overstay, he was just deported.

 

Unlikely to be banned, but just saying.

I was specifically commenting on the OP's stamp and suggested that if he was banned there would most likely be an additional red stamp in close proximity to his exit/deportation stamps.

 

FYI - as the OP was effectively deported for working illegally and, therefore, immigration could impose a ban under the Immigration Act B.E. 2522 Section 12(2) - Having no means of living, or Section 12(11) - Being deported by the Government of Thailand... or having the right to stay in the Kingdom revoked...

 

As far as I am aware the banned stamp has been used for a number of years, but I do not know if they are used for 'life time' (99 year) bans.

 

I have a lovely stamp (not from Thailand I might add) in an old PP... it covers the whole page and reads PERSONA NON GRATA... in red.   The officials who escorted me to the plane informed me that it was a life time ban and if I was ever to return they would put me in prison and throw away the key.  Needles to say I have heeded their advice.

 

 

Edited September 27, 2017 by 007 RED

[lkv]

6 minutes ago, 007 RED said:

I was specifically commenting on the OP's stamp and suggested that if he was banned there would most likely be an additional red stamp in close proximity to his exit/deportation stamps.

 

FYI - as the OP was effectively deported for working illegally and, therefore, immigration could impose a ban under the Immigration Act B.E. 2522 Section 12(2) - Having no means of living, or Section 12(11) - Being deported by the Government of Thailand... or having the right to stay in the Kingdom revoked...

 

As far as I am aware the banned stamp has been used for a number of years, but I do not know if they are used for 'life time' (99 year) bans.

 

I have a lovely stamp (not from Thailand I might add) in an old PP... it covers the whole page and reads PERSONA NON GRATA... in red.   The officials who escorted me to the plane informed me that it was a life time ban and if I was ever to return they would put me in prison and throw away the key.  Needles to say I have heeded their advice.

 

 

Yeah, and the people I know were banned under section 12.7 back in 2012 with absolutely no indication on their passports of any ban, although they were told verbally it's a 99 year ban.

 

What I'm saying is, it could not be in the passport but it could be in the system. Could be a 5 year ban for example. 

 

He'd be better off checking it with an agency for a small fee for his peace of mind.

[Aditi Sharma]

Just now, lkv said:

Yeah, and the people I know were banned under section 12.7 back in 2012 with absolutely no indication on their passports of any ban, although they were told verbally it's a 99 year ban.

 

What I'm saying is, it could not be in the passport but it could be in the system. Could be a 5 year ban for example. 

 

He'd be better off checking it with an agency for a small fee for his peace of mind.

What agency you mean?

[lkv]

Just now, Aditi Sharma said:

What agency you mean?

Thaivisaservice or similar. They can check if one is blacklisted or not.

[Aditi Sharma]

2 minutes ago, lkv said:

Thaivisaservice or similar. They can check if one is blacklisted or not.

How much do they charge? Does this mean this agency has access to the immigration database? Wow.

[lkv]

Just now, Aditi Sharma said:

How much do they charge? Does this mean this agency has access to the immigration database? Wow.

No, it means they know somebody that has access to the database.

 

If you had a friend that was an IO you could ask him yourself to look in the database.

 

There were some cases reported here I believe where for a small "fee" in some provinces people got all their travel history printed out. Without an agent.

[007 RED]

5 minutes ago, Aditi Sharma said:

How much do they charge? Does this mean this agency has access to the immigration database? Wow.

The agency, or any other, does not have any access to the immigration databases.... they have brown envelopes which are passed under the table to illicit the information from a willing IO.

[visarunner]

You will know when you plan to check in for a flight to Thailand. The passenger list is being check beforehand via online database from Immigration. Forgot what they called the system. 

 

[Aditi Sharma]

3 minutes ago, visarunner said:

You will know when you plan to check in for a flight to Thailand. The passenger list is being check beforehand via online database from Immigration. Forgot what they called the system. 

 

Manifest?