Foreigner hangs himself, burns house down next to final message to wife: "You have stolen everything from me"

[tukkytuktuk]

13 minutes ago, GarryP said:

I bought a pair of handcuffs for a friend when he got married. They are not only supplied to the police you know. 

Yes, you can buy handcuffs at some local markets. The guy who sells machetes, swords, knuckle dusters, knives, bb guns, fancy lighters and tazers usual has some for sale. 

[Justfine]

3 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

You write the suicide note. You then take a can of gasoline, douse the house and light the fire. You then climb up onto an elevated platform where you have already arranged a noose and tighten it around your neck. You then take a pair of handcuffs out of your pants pocket, slip one cuff around one wrist. You then put your hands behind your back, and close and lock the second cuff around your second wrist. Then you jump. To those speculating that it was an inside job, how do you explain the arson which severely damaged the property the wife would likely inherit, and how do you explain the suicide note handwritten in native English?

Hopefully they read it 

[keithpa]

1 hour ago, Happy enough said:

so if his wife wrote the suicide note you think she'd write that she stole everything? the guy killed himself

Yes, because  that self criticism  would have fooled people like you that she did not write the note.

[anon789561]

2 minutes ago, keithpa said:

Yes, because  that self criticism  would have fooled people like you that she did not write the note.

mate. please. come on. anyway believe as you will

**do you think the worlds flat?

Edited March 30, 2018 by Happy enough
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[InMyShadow]

Been with my wife 12 years . Worked the whole time and that’s with kids . I made it clear what we get out of life we have to both put in . We have done ok for ourselves . 

Why do western men marry a thai and then explain the facts of life like they are an 8 year old?

Why would you marry into brain dead?

[Justfine]

1 minute ago, InMyShadow said:

Why do western men marry a thai and then explain the facts of life like they are an 8 year old?

Why would you marry into brain dead?

Would explain something

[InMyShadow]

Would explain something

If I had to commit to somebody for the rest of my life it wouldn't be to an uneducated woman that I had to explain the facts of life to.

In the West I would actually run from that but loser farang here are happy to take on woman with the mentality of a child.

[Justfine]

 

See easy

[DonnyT]

10 minutes ago, InMyShadow said:

If I had to commit to somebody for the rest of my life it wouldn't be to an uneducated woman that I had to explain the facts of life to.

I married an uneducated woman that left school age 12.

Then I put her through high school, then through university.

 

I'm fairly sure she already knew the facts of life before she left school the first time.

I would also mention I'm quite old, so 'for the rest of my life' probably isn't all that long a time, probably around 5-10 years.

Edited March 30, 2018 by DonnyT

[JOC]

Time for Admin to close this thread?

A fellow expat has tragically committed suicide......and for the first 15 pages it stayed more or less stayed on track

After that it has turned into the usual Thaivisa bickering....Not very respectful to the deceased or his (American) family...

[InMyShadow]

Didn’t explain anything . I had expectations . Very different . That’s how a marriage  works . Would you like me to teach you ? 

Well the post I replied to you were actually laying down the law.

Can't imagine even in my wildest dreams having to do that. Why would you take on a moron?

eg. "honey you have to contribute"

[anon789561]

8 minutes ago, JOC said:

Time for Admin to close this thread?

A fellow expat has tragically committed suicide......and for the first 15 pages it stayed more or less stayed on track

After that it has turned into the usual Thaivisa bickering....Not very respectful to the deceased or his (American) family...

took a few minutes to think about that. but yeah. i think all has been said and all opinions shared. time to close it for me too and may he RIP. i'm off this thread. 

[chrisandsu]

5 minutes ago, InMyShadow said:

Well the post I replied to you were actually laying down the law.

Can't imagine even in my wildest dreams having to do that. Why would you take on a moron?

eg. "honey you have to contribute"
 

Obviously you didn’t read the original post . 

[InMyShadow]

I married an uneducated woman that left school age 12.
Then I put her through high school, then through university.
 
I'm fairly sure she already knew the facts of life before she left school the first time.
I would also mention I'm quite old, so 'for the rest of my life' probably isn't all that long a time, probably around 5-10 years.

You prove my point. Tell me where did she learn English after leaving school as a child so you could communicate?

That's a rhetorical question... Long as your happy dude..

[DJ54]

They should come up with wrist brackets that can’t be removed

to identify Money Grabbers. Then it could stop or at least caution 

victims.  

 

Seriously!

 

Money Grabbing seems to be something that is taught to many from Northeast when their young. 

[Sealbash]

Yep another farang got played. 

You mean another farang allowed himself to get played?


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[Rimmer]

Several flames and baiting posts have been removed

[HaleySabai]

On 3/29/2018 at 10:38 AM, Jools said:

I love a good revenge story. Too bad he had to die to accomplish retribution. Thai people do not understand the concept of "killing the goose who laid the golden egg."

I've noticed a conceptual deficit on many levels.

[geriatrickid]

3 hours ago, The Deerhunter said:

Advice.  You should never marry or have a gf.  It is the only way you will be safe from such things happening to you. And you will be doing the women of the world a big favour, too.

Pity some will not  heed your advice. These are the men who end up with the problems and then blame everyone else for them because they just don't get that they are the cause of their own misfortune.

 

2 hours ago, DonnyT said:

I've never found any woman that actually 'shared the burden' in any country, at best they usually pretend for a few years, then quietly give up work.

Looks like they are a reflection of the men who were around them and who they associate with. I suggest you associate with a better class of people if you want a  different result. Many women work two jobs: In the workplace and as a home maker. I know my mother did as did my aunts.

 

2 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

Point well taken about rushing to judgment. But don't you think you're going a little overboard in the DON'T rush to judgment department? I mean, that suicide note was pretty compelling evidence about what was going on in the relationship, a dynamic all too familiar to many.

I suppose I go "overboard" because I see the same idiotic claims repeated time after time. It's like the jerks who keep claiming that it was unusual for the man to  have handcuffed himself, despite several people taking the time to explain why and how it was done.  I apologize if you are annoyed as  that isn't my intentMy approach is  motivated by my  belief that the dim witted group don't get it unless they are repeatedly told and and it is done in a manner that catches their attention. This nonsense  of accusing every Thai women of being up to no good irks me. Is this how they treat their wives and girlfriends? If so, they must have miserable lives. If someone was calling my mother a murderer, without any evidence, I'd be might angry.

 

Suicide notes  cannot be taken at face value until we know the background. Often notes are intentionally vindictive  and hurtful.  35 pages in and no one  on here  even knows the  deceased. When a long term resident dies, we often get a few comments from people who knew the person. What we have so far is someone who seems to have been isolated with no local friends or associates who knew him, not even in the large  offshore oil workers  contingent who read TVF. That does provide some hints of where this is going to go.

[Spaniel]

7 hours ago, DonnyT said:

Probably because all women are 'duds', and can't be trusted.

If not today, they will be sometime soon.

 

Marriage is dead in the west due to anti-male legislation, here you have to be spectacularly stupid to lose it all.

Well, you're a real cheerful person.      I think you should start hanging out with a different type  woman.    Getting out of the bar area would be a good start.

[Spaniel]

5 hours ago, rubyjuan said:

99 Thai chicks out of 100 are no good!

Can you let us know where you got these statistics?

[Andrew Dwyer]

Time for Admin to close this thread?
A fellow expat has tragically committed suicide......and for the first 15 pages it stayed more or less stayed on track
After that it has turned into the usual Thaivisa bickering....Not very respectful to the deceased or his (American) family...

Agree completely with your post !!

Only good thing to come out of this thread is a fellow TVF member has shown suicidal tendencies and gained a lot of support from other members !!
Other than that it’s turned into the usual bickerfest and the original OP is a faint memory !

[Kerryd]

54 minutes ago, Justfine said:

 

See easy

Lol - that guy was doing it with the key ! I used to practise doing that (handcuffs only) using a large paperclip or piece of wire. (Not that I was expecting to be captured while on a peacekeeping tour or kidnapped while in a foreign country as a tourist or anything like that. I think I started doing it because of something I'd read - or seen on TV - and wanted to see if I could do it and then wanted to see how fast I could do it, while being a little distracted by watching movies or hockey games.)
Any ways.
Point is, handcuffs are easily acquired in Thailand and no, you do not have to be a cop (or related to one) to get them. And they are easy to put on behind your back (unless you look like beached whale). And yes, the purpose of doing such a thing is to prevent yourself from trying to free yourself at the last moment (by climbing/cutting the rope or climbing back onto the platform). Sitting on the ground the average person can normally stretch their arms down far enough to force the cuffs over their butt and then pull their legs through one by one, leaving your hands cuffed in front of you (yes, it is actually very easy to do unless your gut has it's own gravity field and zip code).
A lot of suicidal people have had a change of heart at the last second and tried to save themselves. What this guy did makes me think that he probably researched the matter and put some effort into planning it. It wasn't a "spur of the moment" event like what happens (too often) in places with a lot of hi-rise condos/hotels/apartments. 

There was a case a few years ago of an accused pedo that offed himself in his (condo/apartment). He was found on the bed with a plastic bag taped over his head, his feet were handcuffed together and his hands were handcuffed between his legs.
Of course, all the TV sleuths immediately used their single brain cell to deduce that it had to be murder ! How could he have possibly handcuffed himself and then put the bag over his head (kind of like all the supposition in this thread). 

 

The fact is, he did almost exactly what had been depicted in a movie (The Life of David Gale) where a woman killed herself but they set it up to look like someone had killed her.
The pedo had simply (most likely) thrown away the handcuff keys, cuffed his ankles together, put one of the cuffs from the second set on one wrist, took a breath, taped the bag over his head then cuffed the second hand between his legs. That way there was no chance at all that he could (in desperation) try to claw the bag off his head before passing out. He couldn't bend forward enough for his hands to reach his face and he couldn't get his hands from between his legs due to the cuffs on his ankles.

(Can't recall if he'd also taken sleeping pills and booze just before as well, which would have reduced his ability to try and save himself.)

Of course it wouldn't matter if he'd made a video of the whole thing (like they did in the movie) and detailed exactly what he was going to do, how he was going to do it and why, there'd still be people chiming in to say that it was all "suspicious" because "handcuffs" and "Thai family".

As for the language of the "suicide note". Please. THINK about it. TRY. It's really NOT that hard.

I've known senior managers making nearly 200k a year that can barely write a coherent sentence. I've seen senior (military and civilian) personnel with college degrees that still can't figure out the difference between "your" and "you're" or "there/their/they're" or "waist/waste" (etc. etc). 
I used to have to prepare daily briefings for the boss when I was in Afghanistan. All the senior department Directors and Managers had to send me their briefs and I would organize them and set them up in a presentation.

It was embarrassing to see what some of them would send in at times. I got fed up with continuously having to correct their spelling, grammar, punctuation and formatting and started presenting their briefs the way they were sent in to me. (I had to explain to the boss later on that I'd been editing and correcting their briefs previously but didn't have the time to make all those corrections to all those presentations everyday and he was seeing the "honest" versions of what his senior staff were sending in. Apparently that didn't go over well with some of those people as it exposed them for the dolts they truly were. Frik, some of them could barely type with 2 fingers and would literally smash keyboards to bits because they weren't smart enough to figure out the difference between a "caps lock" and "shift" key.)

It's long been known that (some) people are graduating from (some) American high schools (and even universities) with English skills that would embarrass your average 6th grader. It seems every couple of years there's another story that comes out about High school grads that can't write or college grads that can't find their home state on a map of just the US. (Kind of like the stories of Thai students who can't believe how small Thailand appears on a map of the world and think it must be fake because all the maps they've seen show Thailand as filling up the whole map.)
 

Also, for all those who think they are elite English Professors, try reading some of the "English Teacher" forums in Thailand. I browsed a couple a few years ago when they popped up in some Google searches. I was astounded to think that the people posting in those forums were actually engaged in teaching English.
For those who don't think of themselves as sanctified guardians of the language, the spelling, grammar and punctuation in the posts I read was as bad, if not worse, than that used in the suicide note Mr White left behind and those posts were made by people purporting to be English teachers !

It is incredible how many rocket scientists, English Lords and senior Scotland Yard detectives post in ThaiVisa, but can't figure out how to acquire handcuffs in Thailand or how to put them on behind their backs, or why someone would do that, but they jump all over some poorly written suicide note as proof that it had to have been a murder.

 

[Chivas]

To do this only aged 40 defies belief

[tingtongtourist]

On 3/29/2018 at 10:50 AM, kalidescopemind said:

How do Thais still get away with this?    How can you buy a property that you can't have in your name, and not know you are being screwed?

 

yes, i ask it over and over.

 

personally i know 4 guys like this, 3 walk away from houses already with nothing,

 the 4th, he on shaky ground also.

 

i dont think the issue is about Thais getting away with it

these farangs actually ARE BREAKING LAWS to buy a house in a ladies name and they know they will have no rights

 

i even read some guys sign a document which state he as farang did not pay for the house 100% ..but this is hearsay

 

as my American friend say "once the hairy lassue gets you..you are toast"

[bwpage3]

After a failed attempt in the US, the deceased probably thought he put everything he could into his Thai marriage and felt he had nothing to live for which is truly sad. No one will really understand the exact reason why.

 

One of the issues why so many farang's get banged up in Thailand is, despite all good intentions, foreigners that move to Thailand are NOT experts in Thai-Farang relationships, not experts in understanding the Thai family bond (pressure/face) with each other, they do NOT understand the Thai way of thinking, underestimate Thai greed,  and many not even understand their own relationships with their wives.

 

If you have a failed marriage in your own country, what in the world told you that Thailand was the guaranteed answer?

 

Is it because of the millions of stories of how easy it is to find a Thai wife no matter your age, what your look like or your wealth?

 

The fact is, Thai women and families have their own behaviors. Some more educated and understandable than others.

 

Get away from the big cities and into the rural areas and it becomes even more obvious.

 

While the deceased might have felt he was doing his best and a super job, his wife obviously was not on the same page as him.

 

This sounds like a case of not understanding your own relationship in truth.

 

Many Thai women will cherish the chance to get married to a foreigner. Not one warning flag will ever enter their minds, only the thought of they can enrich their lives financially, because didn't you know? All farang's are rich!

 

How many millions of TV posts explain this in detail? Yet men come and lose it all in high numbers.

 

Many men will come to Thailand and never get married. Many pluses for that approach.

 

A small minority will find a decent woman and actually have a decent marriage and family.

 

A high majority will get divorced and financially banged up.

 

Instead of reading and acknowledging the experience of others, many come to Thailand believing they know it all, have it all figured out and it will never happen to them.

 

Surprise! No one ever has Thailand or Thai women figured out from abroad.

 

Some men handle the gamble and reduce the risk much, much better than most.

 

Sad to see a young life lost.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tingtongtourist]

9 minutes ago, colinneil said:

Well we do not have a tv in our home.

When my wife is home from work, we have some interesting conversations.

The 1 we have just had, was about ole fatty and what Thais think about the watch saga.

We also discuss some of the nonsense i have seen posted on here.

Yes folks i am fortunate my wife is fluent in English.

Colin i think you should start your own thread...

" Ask my wife..."

so many things here, one must scratch their head in thinking!

 

to have certain things explain in decent English by opinion of a Thai lady.

 

she will have a headache after 2 days but wow that wi be a great thread!!

[DonnyT]

18 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

While the deceased might have felt he was doing his best and a super job, his wife obviously was not on the same page as him.

Most men are like that (thinking they're doing OK), and most women are like that (dissatisfied).

I just enjoy the moment (understanding there's always another woman), and control my spending (so there's always money to attract another woman).

 

It's the guys telling themselves (and everyone else) that their's is different that are looking to take a fall.

(Apparently this POV makes my bitter/angry/insecure/etc., but I don't feel angry or bitter, maybe a bit insecure)

Because AWALT.

Edited March 30, 2018 by DonnyT

[catman20]

On 3/29/2018 at 9:52 AM, EVENKEEL said:

Easy to give advice.....RIP

Even harder for people to listen to good advice and take note of it !

Edited March 30, 2018 by catman20

[riclag]

All those suicides by  those lethal Condo balcony's ,doesn't come close to this very sad story.Two things were said to me when I came here,, DON"T FALL IN LOVE,bitten and broken. The second thing was ,SPEND AS MUCH AS YOU CAN AFFORD TO LOOSE.I have followed that for many many years.

Edited March 30, 2018 by riclag