Not following Junta plan could soon be a crime - for 20 years

[snoop1130]

Not following Junta plan could soon be a crime - for 20 years

By Pravit Rojanaphruk, Senior Staff Writer

 

 

BANGKOK — Junta-appointed lawmakers will decide Thursday whether future civilian leaders should face criminal prosecution for not following plans left in place by the military government for the next 20 years.

 

National Legislative Assembly member Wallop Tangkananuwat said Monday that there is a need to make sure future governments stick to the yet to be finalized National Strategic Plan – while allowing some room for some flexibility.

 

Full Story: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/featured/2018/06/11/not-following-junta-plan-could-soon-be-a-crime-for-20-years/

 

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[Thaiwrath]

"National Legislative Assembly member Wallop Tangkananuwat"

 

 

 

Someone needs to give him a <deleted> Wallop !

[InfinityandBeyond]

This lot are off their heads!!!

[SABloke]

Totally bonkers, this lot. Incidentally, I just saw Big P on the news: he was leaning out of a train window addressing some "fans"-most on here would know the significance of this gesture. Coincidence or delusions of grandeur?

Edited June 11, 2018 by SABloke

[sjaak327]

So even with a valid and solid mandate, any government is still bound to a twenty year road map drafted by people who lack such mandate and broke the law to be in this position.

Does anyone believe democracy will return to Thailand...

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[InfinityandBeyond]

40 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

So even with a valid and solid mandate, any government is still bound to a twenty year road map drafted by people who lack such mandate and broke the law to be in this position.

Does anyone believe democracy will return to Thailand...

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Yes. And no. To answer your questions in order. 

Edited June 11, 2018 by InfinityandBeyond
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[Dave67]

What a load a self-important rubbish as if that will be followed by any other Thai Government

Edited June 11, 2018 by Dave67

[Golden Triangle]

1 hour ago, snoop1130 said:

National Legislative Assembly member Wallop Tangkananuwat

He's talking Cods Wallop, stupid old duffer, it's about time these dinosaurs were put out to pasture or stuffed and mounted and on display in a museum. 

[Oziex1]

What does it matter, if things aren't going the way the elites want,  out come the tanks. Again! 

[robblok]

45 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

So even with a valid and solid mandate, any government is still bound to a twenty year road map drafted by people who lack such mandate and broke the law to be in this position.

Does anyone believe democracy will return to Thailand...

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I believe it was never really here in the first place. (Democracy). There has always been a form of Thai democracy but it was hardly a full version of democracy with real checks and balances.

 

The 20 year plan is crazy if its too strict, though planning a bit further ahead would not be a bad thing for stuff like watermanagement (Prayut has neglected it). Seems like every government comes up with new plans for the flooding but it never survives a next government. These kind of things should be in such a plan.  What Prayut puts into it is just too restrictive.

 

It would be nice if they could decrease army spending and abolish the draft as been suggested. 

[DrTuner]

They'll be lucky if the charter lasts 20 hours after people have had enough of this.

[Darcula]

1 hour ago, snoop1130 said:

Not following Junta plan could soon be a crime - for 20 years

 

500 baht fine. Next.

[Lungstib]

It has long been obvious that any 'next' election would be for a 20 year term. Thats been the NCPO's non-hidden agenda for a couple of years. They think they have a right to rule for ever and the silence of many Thais has encouraged them to believe it is possible. This is the result of thinking stability and peace on the streets is all that matters. Young Thais ought to be livid.

[sjaak327]

6 minutes ago, robblok said:

I believe it was never really here in the first place. (Democracy). There has always been a form of Thai democracy but it was hardly a full version of democracy with real checks and balances.

 

The 20 year plan is crazy if its too strict, though planning a bit further ahead would not be a bad thing for stuff like watermanagement (Prayut has neglected it). Seems like every government comes up with new plans for the flooding but it never survives a next government. These kind of things should be in such a plan.  What Prayut puts into it is just too restrictive.

 

It would be nice if they could decrease army spending and abolish the draft as been suggested. 

Of course there was real democracy, there is no doubt. The first thing any government should do is return to the 1997 constitution as that one did ensure democracy. Of course, if that happens the government will be dismissed by the senate, and if that somehow fails, the tanks are back on the street. I have said it over four years ago, and there is ample evidence to suggest this, and that is that the coup was never about anything other than ensure that real power resides by precious few people outside of the ballot box. Everything they have done to date, (of which this is just one example) is geared toward that goal. Democracy my ass.

[stickyrice2000]

This Junta government is turning more and more sour.  People will not tolerate it anymore.

[Eric Loh]

Laughable as it just can’t be legally enforced with no specifics. It is just a plan. Just senseless intimidation from bunch of imbeciles.

[InfinityandBeyond]

11 minutes ago, robblok said:

I believe it was never really here in the first place. (Democracy). There has always been a form of Thai democracy but it was hardly a full version of democracy with real checks and balances.

 

The 20 year plan is crazy if its too strict, though planning a bit further ahead would not be a bad thing for stuff like watermanagement (Prayut has neglected it). Seems like every government comes up with new plans for the flooding but it never survives a next government. These kind of things should be in such a plan.  What Prayut puts into it is just too restrictive.

 

It would be nice if they could decrease army spending and abolish the draft as been suggested. 

The funny thing is they may push through legislation to ensure successive gov'ts follow their 20 year plan. But from the OP, there isn't even a plan finalized yet. 

Which is scary if they put this legislation through before an accepted plan is put forward. 

Then they have carte blanche. 

[robblok]

1 minute ago, sjaak327 said:

Of course there was real democracy, there is no doubt. The first thing any government should do is return to the 1997 constitution as that one did ensure democracy. Of course, if that happens the government will be dismissed by the senate, and if that somehow fails, the tanks are back on the street. I have said it over four years ago, and there is ample evidence to suggest this, and that is that the coup was never about anything other than ensure that real power resides by precious few people outside of the ballot box. Everything they have done to date, (of which this is just one example) is geared toward that goal. Democracy my ass.

I disagree, that there was a real democracy. As long as there are no real checks and balances and governments can pull the stunts the PTP did i din't see it as a real democracy. You obviously think there was...  lets agree to disagree.

 

Whatever the coup reasons were.. it was made easier by the Thaksin amnesty that brought normal people onto the streets and that was followed up by Suthep when he saw his chance to make it bigger and help the army. But PTP created the problem in the first place by how they acted. 

 

Anyway i think long term plans are great for stuff like water management ( i fault Thaksin / Prayut and many others for constantly changing plans and by this constantly postponing solutions). I don't think its good for many other things like how its setup now. So i guess we are in agreement there. 

[robblok]

Just now, InfinityandBeyond said:

The funny thing is they may push through legislation to ensure successive gov'ts follow their 20 year plan. But from the OP, there isn't even a plan finalized yet. 

Which is scary if they put this legislation through before an accepted plan is put forward. 

Then they have carte blanche. 

The whole thing is scary and stupid, i can see things like water management that should be set for 20 years, maybe the same should be done for garbage disposal. But I don't really see it for the other stuff.

[InfinityandBeyond]

13 minutes ago, robblok said:

The whole thing is scary and stupid, i can see things like water management that should be set for 20 years, maybe the same should be done for garbage disposal. But I don't really see it for the other stuff.

But here is the thing. Things are always changing in the world of free markets.  Currency, commodity prices, weather events that could one year yield a bumper crop and the next wipe out a significant part of the GDP, as well as external factors like foreign wars and elections. Unless they have a crystal ball, this proposal is pure folly. 

To lock a nation into a 20 year plan (which has not yet even been presented) reeks of a Maoist totalitarian state. 

That being said,  as to your points of bureaucratic/adminstrative changes (re: water & waste management etc.). I agree there has to be a comprehensive and long-term and sustainable plan that transcends changes in gov't. 

However, my feeling is this proposed legislation will not address these issues, rather it is a political move so that the PTB can manoeuvre themselves back into a position of ultimate control for Infinity & Beyond in order make things up as they go along and persecute those who interrupt their money supply. 

[coulson]

2 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

there is a need to make sure future governments stick to the yet to be finalized National Strategic Plan – while allowing some room for some flexibility

How can any member of prospective government swear an oath by something that hasn't even been figured out yet?

 

Loose plans and lots of wiggle room, this lot are turning out worse than any of the previous installations they love to detest.

 

You couldn't make it up.

[robblok]

6 minutes ago, InfinityandBeyond said:

But here is the thing. Things are always changing in the world of free markets.  Currency, commodity prices, weather events that could one year yield a bumper crop and the next wipe out a significant part of the GDP, as well as external factors like foreign wars and elections. Unless they have a crystal ball, this proposal is pure folly. 

To lock a nation into a 20 year plan (which has not yet even been presented) reeks of a Maoist totalitarian state. 

That being said,  as to your points of bureaucratic/adminstrative changes (re: water & waste management etc.). I agree there has to be a comprehensive and long-term and sustainable plan that transcends changes in gov't. 

However, my feeling is this proposed legislation will not address these issues, rather it is a political move so that the PTB can manoeuvre themselves back into a position of ultimate control for Infinity & Beyond in order make things up as they go along and persecute those who interrupt their money supply. 

I agree about your feelings, I doubt its about useful stuff like i mentioned. Its about control. 

 

I just would have loved if they used it for water management and garbage management. Each new goverment seems to stop the previous ones water plans and nothing really gets done. For stuff like that yes a 20 year plan.. other stuff.. no way.

[bacwan]

Thailand takes another step back as North Korea attempts to move forward.

[Denim]

57 minutes ago, stickyrice2000 said:

This Junta government is turning more and more sour.  People will not tolerate it anymore.

 

Yea they will. They will tolerate it a whole lot more before the junta bubble bursts.

 

And that's a good thing. The more resentment and dissatisfaction is bottled up the greater the power of the people when the dam finally bursts.

 

It is still a long way off but when the final straw is placed upon the peoples back and a small spark ignites a massive explosion , then the junta will not only fall but their cries for immunity will be drowned out by an angry lynch mob baying for blood.

 

And the surprising thing is that on that great day the junta will be shocked what reality looks like because they have been so busy sniffing each others sphincter and sucking up to the boss that they actually believe they are good patriots loved by the people they have been trampling over.

 

Look how things started in Tunisia and how the fire of righteous indignation took hold.

[InfinityandBeyond]

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

I agree about your feelings, I doubt its about useful stuff like i mentioned. Its about control. 

 

I just would have loved if they used it for water management and garbage management. Each new goverment seems to stop the previous ones water plans and nothing really gets done. For stuff like that yes a 20 year plan.. other stuff.. no way.

Dear Leader has the power of Art. 44 behind him. He could have wielded that power to make real changes re: bureaucratic corruption, waste and water management, bringing peace to the South, and attracting billions of $ in foreign investment and skills, reducing poverty and improving education.  

Instead we are stuck with military yes men in colourful Mini Me outfits rubber stamping dubious legislation while they sleep. 

Thai Niyom indeed. 

Thailand (if they literally cleaned up the place) could be a major draw for serious money outside of cheap labour for manufacturing. 

[BuaBS]

If it can keep the Shinawatra clan out , then it is a good idea.

[sweatalot]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

I believe it was never really here in the first place. (Democracy). There has always been a form of Thai democracy but it was hardly a full version of democracy with real checks and balances.

 

The 20 year plan is crazy if its too strict, though planning a bit further ahead would not be a bad thing for stuff like watermanagement (Prayut has neglected it). Seems like every government comes up with new plans for the flooding but it never survives a next government. These kind of things should be in such a plan.  What Prayut puts into it is just too restrictive.

 

It would be nice if they could decrease army spending and abolish the draft as been suggested. 

I believe it was never really here in the first place. (Democracy). There has always been a form of Thai democracy but it was hardly a full version of democracy with real checks and balances.

 

exactly

[InfinityandBeyond]

21 minutes ago, BuaBS said:

If it can keep the Shinawatra clan out , then it is a good idea.

So you support curtailing civil liberties and giving carte blanche to the military for the next 20 years just so the corrupt bogeyman doesn't come back? At least Dutch Rob had (as always) a balanced response and reasonable concerns for the future. 

Your post speaks volumes to the insecurity of the illegitimate junta and its supporters. 

And no! Before you get started. I am not a fan of Thaksin and his gang. 

Two wrongs don't make a right. This bill stinks to high heaven. 

In any case, this thread is about the future of Thailand, not the past. 

Thaksin et al. are gone. You got the gov't you wished for. Just be happy. You win. For now... 

[sjaak327]

3 hours ago, robblok said:

I disagree, that there was a real democracy. As long as there are no real checks and balances and governments can pull the stunts the PTP did i din't see it as a real democracy. You obviously think there was...  lets agree to disagree.

 

Whatever the coup reasons were.. it was made easier by the Thaksin amnesty that brought normal people onto the streets and that was followed up by Suthep when he saw his chance to make it bigger and help the army. But PTP created the problem in the first place by how they acted. 

 

Anyway i think long term plans are great for stuff like water management ( i fault Thaksin / Prayut and many others for constantly changing plans and by this constantly postponing solutions). I don't think its good for many other things like how its setup now. So i guess we are in agreement there. 

But checks and balances were definitely in place.

 

The trouble in Thailand was very very simple, a vocal but powerful minority couldn't accept the outcome of elections, and subsquently used their power to disrupt elections. The last two coups have both been staged whilst elections were scheduled and under way, nothing more needs to be said really.

 

Why are you talking about Thaksin's amnesty ? Whilst it was certainly not without controversy, the fact remains that this amnesty (that did not only benefit Thaksin by the way) was introduced by a government that had a mandate of 300 out of 500 MP's or in other words, fully justified. Let me repeat this again, as it points exactly to what I was talking about in the previous paragraph, a elected government introduces a policy, that is exactly what they are supposed to be doing. But it goes further, after the amnesty law was rejected by the senate, Suthep came out, and not long thereafter Yingluck dissolved the house, effectively making the amnesty law impossible without a renewed mandate. So trying to suggest the coup was to prevent the amnesty is utter and utter <deleted>.  Not to mention the fact, that the amnesty that never made it was indeed replaced by one that did make it through, and no member of the electorate had a say in it. It just protects the lawbreakers of the NCPO. Way worse than the amnesty they protested against. Another piece of evidence it wasn't really about the amnesty of course, it was about who gets control of the country. Remember the reforms before elections crap Suthep tried to pull ? Utter disgrace, a bigger disregard for the people of Thailand I cannot think about. 

 

the coup was staged exactly for the reason I mentioned, and this very thread is ample evidence of this fact. 

 

In a democracy plans have to be changed, that's the way the game is played, four years later the electorate can take the people they have voted in into  account, and vote for others or vote them back in.

 

This 20 year roadmap is ludicrous to the extreme, this from people that have trouble planning a month ahead, let alone 20 years, but again, the roadmap as such is of no importance, this is just another vehicle (there are more as per the constitution) to control this country by unelected people that are behind the coup. I hope PT and other parties will end this charade somehow. This has absolutely nothing to do with democracy. and everyone knows it. 

Edited June 11, 2018 by sjaak327

[sjaak327]

2 hours ago, BuaBS said:

If it can keep the Shinawatra clan out , then it is a good idea.

I believe that to be up to the Thai electorate, and I refer to the constitution which states Thailand belongs to the Thai electorate. Too bad half of the other stuff in that constitution seems to contradict this statement...