SURVEY: Was Trump disrespectful to the British Monarch?

[duanebigsby]

Just now, watcharacters said:

 

I may be mistaken but I have no recollection of bowing being any part of greeting protocol for  the POTUS or his wife.

Exactly right. The queen would respect proper American protocol for addressing POTUS, and he should respect proper English protocol for addressing her Majesty. Simple manners.

[connda]

16 minutes ago, connda said:

Americans are not British subjects nor subservient to the House of Windsor or the British Monarchy.  A handshake would have been proper 'protocol'.  Let's throw this into reverse.  If the British queen comes to America, shouldn't she bow to the President and the First Lady? 
These are equal Heads of States. Period.  Handshakes are appropriate.  Our US President and his wife showing subservience to an equal Head of State is not

 

11 minutes ago, watcharacters said:

I may be mistaken but I have no recollection of bowing being any part of greeting protocol for  the POTUS or his wife.

Selection number 4:  "No, the rules about royal protocol are hugely outdated."
I completely agree.  Having severed our attachment to the British Empire, we are under no obligation to follow any British protocol or to act subservient to British monarchy.  Period.

[duanebigsby]

4 minutes ago, connda said:

 

Selection number 4:  "No, the rules about royal protocol are hugely outdated."
I completely agree.  Having severed our attachment to the British Empire, we are under no obligation to follow any British protocol or to act subservient to British monarchy.  Period.

You also have no attachments to this country.

Do you need not show respect for the King, Buddhism,  and anthem?

[evadgib]

19 minutes ago, connda said:

 

Selection number 4:  "No, the rules about royal protocol are hugely outdated."
I completely agree.  Having severed our attachment to the British Empire, we are under no obligation to follow any British protocol or to act subservient to British monarchy.  Period.

Likewise we are under no obligation to refer to former POTUS as 'Mr President' either but have the grace to toe that particular line despite finding it a little odd.

 

(Blair & Brown are still 'mister'!)

Edited July 15, 2018 by evadgib

[JHolmesJr]

who cares how someone walks....seriously you guys focus on the most random things....shes just a woman

with a title...she wasn't appointed by GOD. Or by americans.

[Thingamabob]

HM is far more easy going than you may think. She apparently enjoyed meeting the Trumps and was not at all put out. You should remember the Obamas also only shook hands with her, as would most Americans. They are not generally in the business of bowing and scraping to the British monarchy. Donald T did momentarily walk in front of HM but this was not exactly a major issue. Some of you people really need to try to grow up a bit.

[spidermike007]

3 hours ago, soistalker said:

You limie lot colonized a quarter of the planet. And tried to turn all of China into opium addicts. So what are you on about?

Well, that was the way of the world back then, at least the Western world. For the past 70 years the US has been engaged in financial colonization, for the most part. Britain was heavy handed, and the East India Company had a near virtual franchise, from the monarchs for a couple of centuries. They were responsible for some rather nasty actions in India, and some of the other colonies.Though it is highly incorrect, politically to suggest such a thing, many would agree that Thailand might have benefitted from the access to good education, the infrastructure, the awareness of the outside world, creative thinking, and a few other aspects that the colonialists brought to the table. The occupation by Japan was too short, and the Japanese had no interest at the time, in offering the Thais anything beneficial, other than minor protection, once the Thais surrendered, and accepted occupation, after the battle of Prachuap Khiri Khan. 

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

quite possible.  the press doesn't like trump for some unknown reason.

 

recall how the press selectively edited the video to show stupid trump dumping out a box of fish food in a koi pond?  oh, how thoughtless!  disrespecting the japanese!  that stupid trump!

 

until someone went back to find extended versions of abe doing the exact same thing, and trump following his host.

For some unknown reason, huh? Alot of his devotees like to forget that the original swamp creature was the first one to declare war on the media, as a way to win over some voters, and he drew first blood. He pushed the media to become his enemy. He could not help himself. He is a hater, and most of what comes out of his sulphuric mouth is vitriolic. He is simply now getting what he earned and deserves. 

[simple1]

2 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

the press doesn't like trump for some unknown reason

Tongue in cheek? or you don't recall Trump has called out the media as "the enemy of the people", etc, etc, etc

[digger70]

8 hours ago, Credo said:

I think we can just chalk it up to awareness in general.   She is the queen, you do not forget where she is.   He also turned his back to her and he did not bother to bow or lower his head.  He also showed up 10 minutes late.

 

The rules may be stiff, but they exist for a reason, and that reason establishes that we have respect for both the person and the position.   She showed her respect by allowing him to have visit her at Windsor.   It would have been nice for him to return the respect.  

Why would he have to Bow to her Or Lower His Head? Ain't we All Equal,,,,,By the way She din't cost Anymore to make than anyone on Earth,,,,,    

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, phkauf said:

Sorry but 242 years ago we told the Brits to F' Off. This just continues that fine tradition. 

Good on Trump - Making America Great Again. The years of Obama apologizing for all of America's "past malfeasances" are over. 

And for the Brits upset about this, you'd be speaking German if not for the USA!

Had this said by an American guy here...……...he conveniently forgot that the settlers/occupiers of what is now the USA were then a mixed bunch with many from the UK and elsewhere. Not Americans as such but mostly UK and Europeans who inhabited "The Colonies", and who fought the war of independence, so in fact the "Americans" kicked no-one out.

 

And the Yanks winning the war thing again...……….Japan, Pearl Harbour ring a bell?? That was why the US entered the war.  

 

Could all be fake news of course or what the orange clown chooses to believe along with his followers!

[transam]

46 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

who cares how someone walks....seriously you guys focus on the most random things....shes just a woman

with a title...she wasn't appointed by GOD. Or by americans.

I thought English Kings and Queens were appointed by God....My history books tell me that is the "thought" fact...

Trump was appointed by.......eeer, will have to think about that...

[jayboy]

45 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

HM is far more easy going than you may think. She apparently enjoyed meeting the Trumps and was not at all put out. You should remember the Obamas also only shook hands with her, as would most Americans. They are not generally in the business of bowing and scraping to the British monarchy. Donald T did momentarily walk in front of HM but this was not exactly a major issue. Some of you people really need to try to grow up a bit.

I think this is right.There is no need or expectation that anyone should bow or curtsy - whether foreigner or Brit.Jeremy Corbyn certainly didn't when he was made a Privy Councillor and the Queen wasn't in the slightest bit put out.Nobody thinks badly of this.I'm sure the Queen enjoyed meeting the Trumps though probably quietly amused because he is a grotesque character.She has seen a lot in her time and has met every President since Harry Truman (except LBJ).When you are at the Queen's level  and age you really don't care about petty matters.Actually Obama did bow his head slightly but he is gentlemanly has better manners than Trump - but it is of little concern.Michelle Obama placed her arm round the Queen's waist which had the Obama haters in a rage.But the truth is the Queen was probably touched at the affectionate gesture and certainly no offense was taken.It's all of little consequence.But it's hard not to respect the Queen who always does her duty.I gather Prince Charles and the Duke Of Cambridge refused to pitch up.Even the Duke Of York wouldn't play a round of golf with the Trumpster.

[uffe123]

Quite frankly they should abolish the British monarchy, and kick all the royal freeloaders out, and make them work for a living.

Nothing but a bunch of leeches of society, doing absolutely nothing. 

[suzannegoh]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Though it is highly incorrect, politically to suggest such a thing, many would agree that Thailand might have benefitted from the access to good education, the infrastructure, the awareness of the outside world, creative thinking, and a few other aspects that the colonialists brought to the table.

While one might think that if one thought that Singapore was typical and credited the British rather than Lee Kuan Yew for their success, but there's also Burma.

[chickenslegs]

2 hours ago, phkauf said:

And for the Brits upset about this, you'd be speaking German if not for the USA!

Highly unlikely. Everyone knows we're crap at learning foreign languages.

 

But, thank you for saving us. Were you army, navy or air force?

Edited July 15, 2018 by chickenslegs
Smiley added just in case anyone thought I was being serious.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, uffe123 said:

Quite frankly they should abolish the British monarchy, and kick all the royal freeloaders out, and make them work for a living.

Nothing but a bunch of leeches of society, doing absolutely nothing. 

Don't sit on the fence, are you for or against the monarchy? ??

[Nigeone]

4 hours ago, soistalker said:

Maybe he had to take a shit. It's not like English food is very good.

Haha that's funny from the burger Capital of the world and one of the most obese nations . What did America ever bring to gourmet tables .

oh wait hot dogs and peanut butter 

Edited July 15, 2018 by Nigeone

[ChiangMaiLightning2143]

Get over it, he won the election. So It doesn’t matter what thousands of UK protocol experts correctly think. Trump thinks he is polite. Everything else is “fake news”

[Kwasaki]

54 minutes ago, uffe123 said:

Quite frankly they should abolish the British monarchy, and kick all the royal freeloaders out, and make them work for a living.

Nothing but a bunch of leeches of society, doing absolutely nothing. 

Don't know if you are a Brit but the monarchy’s annual contribution to the UK economy is to be around £1.8bn a year.

[Jingthing]

12 minutes ago, ChiangMaiLightning2143 said:

Get over it, he won the election. So It doesn’t matter what thousands of UK protocol experts correctly think. Trump thinks he is polite. Everything else is “fake news”

So you're saying there is such thing as objective truth? Only "trump" truth. Sounds like an extreme case of GASLIGHT poisoning. 

[HooHaa]

Seriously, who cares, trump is irreverent and she is irrelavent.

Edited July 15, 2018 by HooHaa

[Jingthing]

Aside from the protocol question, I really wish the Queen had been more disrespectful to "trump" though in a way she was to a degree. A quick cuppa is hardly the most grand reception presidents have received. Hail to the VULGARIAN. Now go away big old poodle and see your Master in Helsinki. 

Edited July 15, 2018 by Jingthing

[Jonnapat]

Trump is disrespectful to everyone except Fox news who bow to his every whim .

[Ridler]

The queen is head of state and so is Trump. They are equal and he does not have to bow to her.

He was there to inspect the troops, she wasn’t donthat she was just accompanying him. 

So he made a mistake and stood in front of her. No big deal

[ChiangMaiLightning2143]

So you're saying there is such thing as objective truth? Only "trump" truth. Sounds like an extreme case of GASLIGHT poisoning. 

Trump IS a vulgarian. I don’t like him. Yes he lies constantly and is an embarrassment, does it matter anymore? I’m not the kind of idiot right winger who criticizes people bowing! For Christ sakes you meet the Emperor of Japan (Obama) what are you supposed to do ???!

Obama was a very polite President with a perfect family and no scandals, who, unfortunately is a a born and bred anti-western “Dreams of my Father” Mao-Mao ideologue whose sole goal was to subvert the United States to a mirror image of a socialist ideal. A system that has failed in every country that it has ever been attempted. Hillary Clinton is much of the same plus venality. A person whose entire career is built on lies and corruption. If I was a Liberal I would no way ever ever ever be able to forgive her and the Democrats for what they did to Bernie Sanders, who probably could have beat Trump if he had been nominated.

I’ll stick with Republicans as they look out for me. I don’t want my tax money going to failed health care/social programs, and welfare layabouts. “Objective truth” is a philosophical concept, I’d rather keep my money’s in my pocket, not for foreign fake Asylum migrants and their offsprings.

[duanebigsby]

11 minutes ago, ChiangMaiLightning2143 said:

 

I’ll stick with Republicans as they look out for me. I don’t want my tax money going to failed health care/social programs, and welfare layabouts. “Objective truth” is a philosophical concept, I’d rather keep my money’s in my pocket, not for foreign fake Asylum migrants and their offsprings.

 

The concept of immigrants, homeless, unemployed sucking the teat of the government is blown out of proportion. Most people who use gov't services get off it as soon as they can.

Do people cheat, yes.

Do many people need it yes.

It is the responsibility of a civilized society to help its downtrodden.

The US mentality that any socialist policy is nasty, will result in the US never having a universal healthcare plan like the rest of the civilized world.

[Jingthing]

Trump IS a vulgarian. I don’t like him. Yes he lies constantly and is an embarrassment, does it matter anymore? I’m not the kind of idiot right winger who criticizes people bowing! For Christ sakes you meet the Emperor of Japan (Obama) what are you supposed to do ???!

Obama was a very polite President with a perfect family and no scandals, who, unfortunately is a a born and bred anti-western “Dreams of my Father” Mao-Mao ideologue whose sole goal was to subvert the United States to a mirror image of a socialist ideal. A system that has failed in every country that it has ever been attempted. Hillary Clinton is much of the same plus venality. A person whose entire career is built on lies and corruption. If I was a Liberal I would no way ever ever ever be able to forgive her and the Democrats for what they did to Bernie Sanders, who probably could have beat Trump if he had been nominated.

I’ll stick with Republicans as they look out for me. I don’t want my tax money going to failed health care/social programs, and welfare layabouts. “Objective truth” is a philosophical concept, I’d rather keep my money’s in my pocket, not for foreign fake Asylum migrants and their offsprings.

Hilarious.
First you say you don't like him.
Then you go on a rant about the reasons that you do support him.
Just own it for Christ's sake.
We see this so often here.
Obvious Putin poodle supporters that fake not being one.
I get it.
It's a shameful and embarrassing thing to support.

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[Tug]

Trump was late on purpose it’s his way to bulley a 92 year old woman it’s his way to say I’m more important than you his way to say you need me more than I need you he walked in front of her due to igornance he is a low class cad and quite possibility a traitor he is lucky to be the USA pres most country’s would have (solved) the problem already 

[HHTel]

33 minutes ago, Ridler said:

The queen is head of state and so is Trump. They are equal and he does not have to bow to her.

He was there to inspect the troops, she wasn’t donthat she was just accompanying him. 

So he made a mistake and stood in front of her. No big deal

But she is head of state in 16 countries.  Doesn't that outrank him?