Is it possible to be ripped off in a 711

[Love66]

Why i love my bath 7 ?

[Peterw42]

21 minutes ago, soistalker said:

If this is the 7/11 near the McDonald's that is  across from the CK Hotel, then Yes, they are cheating you. I used to stop in there after drinking to pick up beer and snacks for home.You buy 4 beers; they charge for six, for example.

If you think about it, its only the change they can mess around with, everything is scanned in at 7/11. If you put 4 beers on the counter and they scan a couple of them twice, and make it 6 beers, that extra money needs to be in the till at the end of shift.

[Briggsy]

6 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

If you think about it, its only the change they can mess around with, everything is scanned in at 7/11. If you put 4 beers on the counter and they scan a couple of them twice, and make it 6 beers, that extra money needs to be in the till at the end of shift.

What they do is :-

a) scan the 4 beers and verbally tell you the price for 6. (Of course if you look at the display, the scam fails. "Oops, sorry, mister"). Price of 2 beers is pocketed. Everything balances

b) scan just 1 beer, verbally tell you the price for 6 and after you have left scan in 3 more. Price of 2 beers is pocketed. Everything balances, till, inventory, all good.

c) simply short-change you 100 Baht e.g. price is 152 Baht, change given is 748 Baht. 100 Baht is pocketed. Everything balances.

 

I would say having made purchases at Thai 7-11's about a million times, I can only recall an attempted scam once. There may have been others. The attempted scam was type 'c'. The 100 Baht was immediately refunded, like within one second, confirming it was an attempted scam.

[LomSak27]

I had a cashier do this to me at Tesco. dropped a hundred in change on the hand back. It was an obvious figure and I add up in head so knew it was wrong. She then gave me a song and dance about had to wait until after the next customer to correct her mistake, huffing like this was all my fault - I had to admire the audacity of the scammer.

I firmly planted myself at register and made them go around me until I got my bill. Did not use that Tesco for some time after that but on trips back have noticed managers monitoring the check out staff, so likely other Thais and westerners had the same problem and complained.

[JAZZDOG]

1 hour ago, KittenKong said:

I find that most people who think they have never been cheated simply haven't realised it.

 

I've had staff try to short-change me in supermarkets, restaurants, and even in banks (putting seven stacks of 100,000B into a paper bag and leaving one at the back of the counter where I couldn't see it). The difference is that I double-check everything so I usually spot the attempts.

Agreed, the odds of not being shorted in 2000 visits is very low. The odds of just not being aware are very high. The odds in 2000 visits being given more change than less is ZERO.

[JAZZDOG]

9 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

What they do is :-

a) scan the 4 beers and verbally tell you the price for 6. (Of course if you look at the display, the scam fails. "Oops, sorry, mister"). Price of 2 beers is pocketed. Everything balances

b) scan just 1 beer, verbally tell you the price for 6 and after you have left scan in 3 more. Price of 2 beers is pocketed. Everything balances, till, inventory, all good.

c) simply short-change you 100 Baht e.g. price is 152 Baht, change given is 748 Baht. 100 Baht is pocketed. Everything balances.

 

I would say having made purchases at Thai 7-11's about a million times, I can only recall an attempted scam once. There may have been others. The attempted scam was type 'c'. The 100 Baht was immediately refunded, like within one second, confirming it was an attempted scam.

1;1,000,000 REALLY?

[Ks45672]

6 minutes ago, JAZZDOG said:

Agreed, the odds of not being shorted in 2000 visits is very low. The odds of just not being aware are very high. The odds in 2000 visits being given more change than less is ZERO.

It isn't zero but its rare

I noticed once I bought 8 bottles of wine and they only scanned 7 for some reason

 

[andygrr]

 

It is of course possible to be short changed anywhere. As for 7/11 staff I have seen that some items are discounted if you buy 2 or more 

it shows up initially at the original price on the till. I have seen staff charging / asking for this amount . Then after you pay they press final total

and only then are the discounts applied. They pocket the difference. Not often but I have seen it.

[Peterw42]

To be fair, I have also had a 7/11 cashier chase me, 100 metres down the road in pouring rain , to return 100 baht accidentally short changed.

[Billy Bloggs]

Boy glad I dont have the same outlook on life as some posters here.

There can and are cheats in all walks of life, hopefully it doesnt spread to the whole store though(it did in one in Chiang Mai).

It can be kept to a minimum if you pay attention whenever you pay with a large bill, or pay next to nearly the exact money.

By the way the cashiers are only human and do make mistakes, too many of them and they are fired, also the cashiers are made to make up short falls(sometimes this is a all store in to pay for it).

The education level of the writers, who had a shot about cashiers education levels, I would say would be too low to get a job there.

[quandow]

Only happened to me once.

An employee who was WAY too pretty to be working there distracted me as her male counterpart handed me my change. I got home and found it 100 baht short. Never again, though it was damn near worth it. She was HOT!!!

[greenchair]

I always love when I get shortchanged a hundred from a thousand baht note on a busy day. 

I always stand back and count it. The funny thing is, by the time I reach the counter the girl has the money that had been put to the side, in hand and ready to give to me. 

Always accompanied with a smirk of course. 

Bless them. 

[KittenKong]

51 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

If you think about it, its only the change they can mess around with, everything is scanned in at 7/11. If you put 4 beers on the counter and they scan a couple of them twice, and make it 6 beers, that extra money needs to be in the till at the end of shift.

They certainly dont always scan all items in all 7/11s. I've seen it happen often.

 

And in the case that you describe, they only need to wait until some other person buys the same beer and

"forget" to scan it. Put that money in the till and they have a balanced till, and balanced stock, and money in their pocket from the original sale. They can perform this scam either before or after the scanned sale as long as they pick common items, as they have their entire shift to make it balance.

[bkk6060]

2 hours ago, KittenKong said:

I find that most people who think they have never been cheated simply haven't realised it.

 

I've had staff try to short-change me in supermarkets, restaurants, and even in banks (putting seven stacks of 100,000B into a paper bag and leaving one at the back of the counter where I couldn't see it). The difference is that I double-check everything so I usually spot the attempts.

Sounds like you are constantly being a victim of scams. How sad. I wonder why that is?

Edited July 31, 2018 by bkk6060

[robblok]

10 hours ago, tropo said:

It doesn't help that 100's and 1000's are of very similar colour and at quick glance can be easily confused... especially to tourists who haven't been here long. I once made a mistake of giving a street fruit vendor 500 baht instead of the intended 100 baht. It was dark and I wasn't wearing glasses. Quite easily done. Fortunately the lights in 7Eleven are very bright and I always wear glasses now... and I keep the 1000's well separated from the 100's.

  

If I hand over a 1000 baht note I always concentrate more on the change counting process. In the Philippines all shop assistants say out loud "I received 1000", "I received 500". It's a shame they can't follow this practice here.

For someone who has been here longer it is almost impossible to confuse a 100 and a 1000 (maybe if drunk). I don't think the color is that similar, size is different too.

 

Actually what your describing that system is in place here too, or at least at the 711 in my village. I give a 1000 and they will say they got a 1000. They always repeat what they get. Maybe they don't do that over there or you don't understand it but its not that hard "Rap neung pan" Rap Ha loi"  ect. Most people understand the numbers. 

[KittenKong]

2 minutes ago, greenchair said:

Bless them. 

I dont bless them. I despise them. They are just thieves and should be in jail, along with all the other crooks, scammers and conmen.

[KittenKong]

3 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

Sounds like you are constantly being a victim this. I wonder why that is?

You miss the point. I am a target but hardly ever a victim. Why? Because I am a lot smarter than they are.

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, KittenKong said:

They certainly dont always scan all items in all 7/11s. I've seen it happen often.

 

And in the case that you describe, they only need to wait until some other person buys the same beer and

"forget" to scan it. Put that money in the till and they have a balanced till, and balanced stock, and money in their pocket from the original sale. They can perform this scam either before or after the scanned sale as long as they pick common items, as they have their entire shift to make it balance.

Maybe it depends where you live Pattaya does not really attract the cream of the cream. Around here I have never been cheated, and I can do my calculations quite well. Well enough to spot any problems. But I don't buy loads and loads of stuff at 711 so it usually is just a few items. Its easy to manage that and  to follow on the til. 

 

I have seen them make honest mistakes, paranoid people would always call that cheating. I have been given back too much money at times too. Guess that is just lulling me into a safe feeling so they can cheat me next time. When i get too much money I tell them too just as when something goes wrong.

[KittenKong]

I also rarely use 7/11s. Usually only for some milk, or a single bottle of water or beer if I fancy drinking one at that moment. All my normal weekly shopping is done at big supermarkets which of course are much cheaper than convenience stores.

 

And I readily admit that my experience outside of where I live is very limited. Maybe they are better elsewhere. Maybe not. I dont know and I'm not likely to find out any time soon because that's not where I live.

 

 

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

I have seen them make honest mistakes, paranoid people would always call that cheating.

 

Hard to see how failing to ring things up but still charging for them can be called an "honest mistake".

[bkk6060]

9 minutes ago, KittenKong said:

You miss the point. I am a target but hardly ever a victim. Why? Because I am a lot smarter than they are.

No, you do not understand.

According to your cooments, you are the victim of attempt theft.

Attempt murder

Attempt robbery

Attempt theft.

All crimes.

So whether you figure it out prior to completion or not, according to you, you are a victim of their attempt theft.

 

Edited July 31, 2018 by bkk6060

[Andrew Dwyer]

Why i love my bath 7 [emoji1]

I prefer a shower [emoji51]

[Andrew Dwyer]

Only happened to me once.

An employee who was WAY too pretty to be working there distracted me as her male counterpart handed me my change. I got home and found it 100 baht short. Never again, though it was damn near worth it. She was HOT!!!

I know the one you mean !!
I go there often, it’s costing me a fortune !! [emoji6]

[KittenKong]

8 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

According to your cooments, you are the victim of attempt theft.

Attempt murder

?

[Peterw42]

28 minutes ago, KittenKong said:

They certainly dont always scan all items in all 7/11s. I've seen it happen often.

 

And in the case that you describe, they only need to wait until some other person buys the same beer and

"forget" to scan it. Put that money in the till and they have a balanced till, and balanced stock, and money in their pocket from the original sale. They can perform this scam either before or after the scanned sale as long as they pick common items, as they have their entire shift to make it balance.

I'm not following, if they dont scan and therefore dont charge the 2nd customer, how have they balanced anything. They are not going to let the 2nd customer walk out with beers they havnt paid for. if they dont scan it, why is the customer paying, the screen would show an amount that doesnt include the the beers, that were not scanned.

 

There is only 2 ways they can scam you, ask for more money than the items scanned (and displayed on screen), or give less change. 

If they scan less than what you put on the counter, the total is less and you walk out with free goods. If they scan more than you put on the counter, the total will be more and the amount will match what was scanned. You paid for goods you didnt get but the cashier didnt make any money from the extra goods scanned.

 

 

Edited July 31, 2018 by Peterw42

[Dario]

Some years back I gave 20'000 Baht to transfer to my Citibank card at a 7/11 in Pattaya on Soi Boonsampan and only after I returned back home and checked the receipt, I found out the cashier had given me one for 2'000 Baht. Most probably not on purpose, but it happened. Not amusing for the customer.

Edited July 31, 2018 by Dario

[IAMHERE]

Seven-eleven employees are drawn from the general population; if you trust the Thai's in general then don't worry about checking your change.  I always check my change. One time I paid with a 1,000 baht bill; clerk rang it up as paying with a 900 baht bill, gave me back the change that showed up on the till; yep, a hundred short.

[foxg]

View from the other side.

 

A family member works in a 7/11 in Pattaya and has told us many stories of farangs stealing or trying to scam by standing in line waving 1000 bt notes in their hand and then switching to a 100 when paying hoping the cashier will offer change for the 1000 they had been holding until the last second. They also come in hand over food to be heated and change their minds or feel they are waiting to long and just leave without picking up the food or paying. This shortfall then has to be paid by the cashier who will only be earning about 400bt a day. 

Then of course there are the drunks and many sober farangs who think all girls in Pattaya are up for grabs and badger the staff to offer bar girl services. Yes I know some will say they have met a girl in 7 who did  this but they do not all have a price and getting asked on a weekly basis gets a bit much. Especially as these guys would probably be arrested for it back in their home countries.  

 

None of this would justify a staff member ripping off someone but I just wanted to put some other views out there. By the way why do all the haters visit or live here if its so bad leave and as for giving them an evil stare when you walk in.......................................

 

I think you would be better off showing some respect and being polite as everyone everywhere in the world deserves from both sides of the counter in any store. I have always adopted that attitude and even though it is not always returned just keep on plugging away a smile costs nothing and it may stop you being the one scammed, personally if I was that way inclined I would be looking to rip off the miserable git giving me the evil stare. 

[robblok]

18 minutes ago, KittenKong said:

 

 

 Hard to see how failing to ring things up but still charging for them can be called an "honest mistake".

I don't see how they can not ring things up on the til and charge you for it. Don't you look at what is being scanned and what the till says. Maybe if they want to scan they scan extra things and later credit them. But otherwise it would be a dumb scam.. i mean why would you pay something different then what is displayed at the screen.

[NoshowJones]

I have had attempted rip offs in my local Tesco mini mart since it opened about five years ago, but never in my local 7-11 in the thirteen years I have been here.

[bkk6060]

23 minutes ago, KittenKong said:

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Do not try to twist the facts now.

I was giving you an example of attempt crimes. Just about every crime can be prosecuted in its "attempt" and can result in the same penalty as the crime itself.

By the way, iif you are so sure about you being a victim of attempt theft, why don't you make a police report?

Maybe they can investigate and prevent others from being a victim also. Help out your fellow man .