UK voters should make final Brexit decision if talks with EU collapse: poll

[melvinmelvin]

dyson

 

some memories at the back of my mind,

small stores in most uk airports

selling cameras, small computers, mobile phones, pdas, this and that electric, named Dyson???

also offered price guarantee

1990s and later

 

am I off or right?

 

[Dumbastheycome]

Ah!  The  fest and the feast ! Today  and tomorrow  the  illustrious  Pound sinks like  a lead balloon.

The well endowed Bet Hounds  will  be  placing much more than a shilling  on the  eventualities!

Either  the  currency will  recover and

profit taken or  there  will be a  very  cheap  and desperate  Europe  local  labour  force for  profit  taken.

The wheel   keeps  turning but inevitably  there is  always a piece of  shit  stuck on it  somewhere !

Corporate inspired  Governance  is  such a  gem !

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Ah!  The  fest and the feast ! Today  and tomorrow  the  illustrious  Pound sinks like  a lead balloon.

The well endowed Bet Hounds  will  be  placing much more than a shilling  on the  eventualities!

Either  the  currency will  recover and

profit taken or  there  will be a  very  cheap  and desperate  Europe  local  labour  force for  profit  taken.

The wheel   keeps  turning but inevitably  there is  always a piece of  shit  stuck on it  somewhere !

Corporate inspired  Governance  is  such a  gem !

Funny you should mention. So far today it's the only major European currency up against the USD.  

[kwilco]

A no deal Brexit will mean no medicines for some people. May even mean death for diabetics.....

What's the betting Thresa May won't run out of insulin

[kwilco]

44 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Funny you should mention. So far today it's the only major European currency up against the USD.  

Have you noticed how when one argument fails, Brexiteers run around trying to cherry pick some other cause to help their hopeless position...talk about clutching at straws.....

[vinny41]

6 minutes ago, kwilco said:

A no deal Brexit will mean no medicines for some people. May even mean death for diabetics.....

What's the betting Thresa May won't run out of insulin

Without a link to support your claims you post is pointless

[whatsupdoc]

Without a link to support your claims you post is pointless

Pointless? Can you support that claim with a link? Sorry, couldn’t resist....


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[welovesundaysatspace]

13 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Without a link to support your claims you post is pointless

It’s not that difficult, is it? Here: http://bfy.tw/KVAS

[nauseus]

28 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Have you noticed how when one argument fails, Brexiteers run around trying to cherry pick some other cause to help their hopeless position...talk about clutching at straws.....

This was a response to an erroneous comment re Sterling. Not the price of cherries.

 

Which argument failed then? 

Edited October 23, 2018 by nauseus

[nauseus]

30 minutes ago, kwilco said:

A no deal Brexit will mean no medicines for some people. May even mean death for diabetics.....

What's the betting Thresa May won't run out of insulin

Project Fear Issue 34452. 

[vinny41]

5 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

It’s not that difficult, is it? Here: http://bfy.tw/KVAS

Thanks and if you read this link they are already stock piling medicines which is not the same as Kwilco scaremongering one liner without any supporting links of "A no deal Brexit will mean no medicines for some people. May even mean death for diabetics....."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45047874

[tebee]

Patriotism is the last refuge of the xenophobe.

[tebee]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

Thanks and if you read this link they are already stock piling medicines which is not the same as Kwilco scaremongering one liner without any supporting links of "A no deal Brexit will mean no medicines for some people. May even mean death for diabetics....."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45047874

The problem is some medicines don't have a long shelf life and/or require refrigerated storage - insulin is one of these, hence the possible problem for diabetics, all human insulin is currently imported, we don't manufacture it in the UK.

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

Thanks and if you read this link they are already stock piling medicines which is not the same as Kwilco scaremongering one liner without any supporting links of "A no deal Brexit will mean no medicines for some people. May even mean death for diabetics....."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45047874

And how about the other articles contained in the link I provided? Or did you intentionally cherry-pick the one article that suits you best?

Edited October 23, 2018 by welovesundaysatspace

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

And how about the other articles contained in the link I provided? Or did you intentionally cherry-pick the one article that suits you best?

Your on a different planet you provide a link which just did a search  brexit medicine nothing more nothing less if you want to post links that provide a different view to the BBC report go ahead no one is stopping you

I see from the dm link here

Leading insulin manufacturer is stockpiling FOUR MONTHS' supply to protect diabetics after Brexit amid warnings the UK will run out if there is no deal

 

• Danish company Novo Nordisk will stash enough insulin to last the UK 16 weeks
• Experts say 3.5 million people in the country rely on insulin to treat diabetes
• Novo Nordisk says protecting its patients is its 'first commitment'  
• https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6133421/Leading-insulin-manufacturer-stockpiling-FOUR-MONTHS-supply-protect-diabetics-Brexit.html
• At the end of the day we are told there are some 3.8 million EU citizens living in the UK some who are dependent on various medicines are you suggesting that the EU would just ignore their own citizens and let them DIE

[melvinmelvin]

if it should come to a no deal brexit I reckon medicine supplies and aircraft/airport would be among the least 

problematic issues

 

[Guest]

It's interesting how one or two extremist people can behave here as well as on other forums as multiple persons. It's just one person with multiple names in here. 

 

T

[tebee]

Let's consider where we are with Brexit:

 

Close to a deal which in no way reflects anything anyone wants 

Destroys UK economy

Probably won't get parliamentary support 

M26 closed to build lorry park

 

What kind of person do you have to be to have voted for that & still be keen for it to happen? It seems bizarre to me.

 

Someone who is reticent to admit error?

 

Or just a sociopath?

[rixalex]

Im off for a beer. I may be some time. If I see a Dyson handrier it may not survive the encounter 

I wager you would have the better of any air blowing device, with your own hot air output.


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[rixalex]

 
With Brexiters someone else always has to be to blame for their frustration. If you take on a course of action such as Brexit without any plan, or even any clear objective of where you want to go, it just generates endless frustration.
 
If one has an argument with one’s partner, shouts 'I am leaving' and, with that, exits slamming the door and finds oneself in the street in the rain without a raincoat, I suspect some Brexiters would blame the weather forecasters or the local council for their predicament.
 
At the moment the blame for Brexit not being delivered with endless cake in order of importance appears to be, Remainers, the EU and the UK Civil Service. Clueless Johnson, Fox, Davis and now Rabb negotiating this are blameless for lack of cake delivery?
 

As stated before, when you have around 80% of the rowers in a boat rowing away from shore, it's not much wonder that the 20% rowing towards it don't make good progress.

Yes the 20% haven't done well, and so carry some of the blame, but had all 100% put aside their reservations and respected the vote, as they promised they would, and worked together finding solutions rather than finding problems, we wouldn't be where we are now.

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[rixalex]

 We had a referendum in 1975 and over 70% voted to remain in what was then the EEC; a far bigger majority than Leave obtained in 2016.
 
Using your argument, and those of all opposed to a second referendum, the 2016 referendum should never have happened!
 
Of course, you may argue that the EU now is nothing like the EEC then; and in some respects you'd be right. But all of the things Brexiteers object to about the EU were either already in place in 1975, or were being planned and were known about.
 
The majority of those who want a second referendum may be Remainers, but I have asked before and will ask again; maybe someone will answer this time.
 
What is it about a second referendum that frightens Brexiteers? The probability that you'll lose this time now that the lies of the Leave campaign have been exposed?
 

I didn't state that referendum results had to be maintained indefinitely. The 1975 referendum result was implemented and then respected and maintained for a couple of generations.

Brexiters certainly aren't trying to deny another vote for that long. Just want to see the decision they were part of, actually being implemented. It's really not asking that much and I don't doubt for a second that you would be calling for it too, had the vote outcome been to remain. Or are we seriously expected to believe you would still be on here calling for another referendum?

Re your final question, I have already answered this numerous times. A second vote, if it's one that includes the option to remain as I have a hunch you would say it must, guarantees the EU won't bother giving us a half decent deal, and therefore guarantees an unsuccessful Brexit. Of course precisely what remainers seek to achieve, and so why they are so keen on another vote, as well as it giving them another shot at a vote they lost.

Maybe you can answer why you think another vote won't undermine our negotiators? I haven't had any remainer able to address that so far with anything more than a, "yes but I don't care".

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[whatsupdoc]

25 minutes ago, rixalex said:

I didn't state that referendum results had to be maintained indefinitely. The 1975 referendum result was implemented and then respected and maintained for a couple of generations.

Brexiters certainly aren't trying to deny another vote for that long. Just want to see the decision they were part of, actually being implemented. It's really not asking that much and I don't doubt for a second that you would be calling for it too, had the vote outcome been to remain. Or are we seriously expected to believe you would still be on here calling for another referendum?

Re your final question, I have already answered this numerous times. A second vote, if it's one that includes the option to remain as I have a hunch you would say it must, guarantees the EU won't bother giving us a half decent deal, and therefore guarantees an unsuccessful Brexit. Of course precisely what remainers seek to achieve, and so why they are so keen on another vote, as well as it giving them another shot at a vote they lost.

Maybe you can answer why you think another vote won't undermine our negotiators? I haven't had any remainer able to address that so far with anything more than a, "yes but I don't care".

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You make the wrong assumption that it is a negotiation between equal partners. It is not, the EU is by far the stronger party so it sets the terms. Even more so because it is bound by treaties between 27 countries and it is not going to change its rules for the UK. The UK can never get the special bespoke cherry-picking deal they were looking for, only variations of already existing deals (Norway, Canada...).

But wait until the UK is desperate to get a deal with the USA, and then see how much power your negotiators have there.....

[vinny41]

BONKERS BRUSSELS DEMANDS

Germany will have to stump up an extra £13.2billion-a-year to the EU budget after Brexit to cover UK contribution

The revelations have prompted fury at German taxpayers being milked for cash by Brussels after Brexit

GERMANY will have to stump up an extra £13.2 billion a year for the EU budget due to Brexit - the same amount as the UK’s entire annual net payment.

The cash will cover lost earnings from British taxpayers as well as providing new funding to battle ongoing crises like migration.

It will take Berlin’s gross contribution to the EU budget, before the money it gets back in grants, up to a staggering £40 billion a year.

The revelations, from a finance ministry report on the next EU budget, have prompted fury at German taxpayers being milked for cash by Brussels.

Germany already stumps up over a fifth of all Brussels’ cash, with its share set to rise further after our exit.

And those calculations are based on the UK paying the £39 billion divorce bill, which will only happen if the two sides reach an agreement.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7567526/germany-post-brexit-eu-contribution/

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/deutschland-soll-15-milliarden-euro-mehr-fuer-die-eu-zahlen-15853088.html

 

No wonder the Germans want to move to another country

 

 

 

[brucec64]

11 hours ago, nauseus said:

Funny you should mention. So far today it's the only major European currency up against the USD.  

I think you have to look back a little further to see the impact of Brexit on the pound 1.60 down to 1.30 USD.

 

[rixalex]

You make the wrong assumption that it is a negotiation between equal partners. It is not, the EU is by far the stronger party so it sets the terms. Even more so because it is bound by treaties between 27 countries and it is not going to change its rules for the UK. The UK can never get the special bespoke cherry-picking deal they were looking for, only variations of already existing deals (Norway, Canada...).
But wait until the UK is desperate to get a deal with the USA, and then see how much power your negotiators have there.....

Where did I say anything about anyone being equal with anyone else? And you accuse me of making assumptions?!

Make a whopper yourself and completely avoid answering the question. Kind of what I expected though.

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[My Thai Life]

2 hours ago, tebee said:

Let's consider where we are with Brexit:

 

Close to a deal which in no way reflects anything anyone wants 

Destroys UK economy

Probably won't get parliamentary support 

M26 closed to build lorry park

 

What kind of person do you have to be to have voted for that & still be keen for it to happen? It seems bizarre to me.

 

Someone who is reticent to admit error?

 

Or just a sociopath?

This is an excellent example of unsubstantiated and distorted messages plus insults.

 

None of the more than 10 economic forecasts says the UK economy will be destroyed - you and I have been over this many times.

 

The M26 is undergoing selective closures currently at night, for site surveys. This is another example of you criticising the government for contingency planning for Brexit - yet you also criticise them for not planning.

 

I think we can all agree that May's trying to appease the remainers.

 

Labour have promised to vote down everything, yet have no plan of their own - classic Corbyn.

 

The combination of Labour's stance, the EU's intransigence particularly on the "backstop", and May's "plan" are driving us toward a "no deal" exit.

 

 

Edited October 24, 2018 by My Thai Life

[My Thai Life]

From The Guardian

 

"Progressives still prefer to bully leavers rather than understand what drives them. Despising half the country is now the progressive position. So half the country are racist, old, small-minded, poor people who were seduced by a combination of Aaron Banks and delusions of empire. What these people really need is to be lectured constantly by a motley crew of metropolitan celebrities and has-been politicians (Clegg,Heseltine, Blair). Spare me, please."

 

The only thing I'd change is that I's put inverted commas around Progressives, as these progressives are not actually progressive.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/19/peoples-vote-march-eu-referendum-brexit

 

 

 

 

[CanterbrigianBangkoker]

On 10/22/2018 at 3:32 PM, dick dasterdly said:

It boils down to you being a 'nationalist', whereas I'm not patriotic.

 

I intended no insult.

 

'Being specific', would boil down to all the 'nationalistic' stuff.  It's just not my 'cup of tea'.

I would contest that 100%, I'm not a nationalist or a xenophobe or whatever other insulting label anyone might care to band about... 

 

I'm a patriot, and I have pride in much of British history because I am a student of it, there's a big difference. 

I'm proud of aspects of the history of the UK and a great many of our forebears. I understand that the history of the UK is one of independence from continental Europe and that our respective timelines are in distinct contrast in a number of important ways. Some of which I have mentioned before on here - this is perhaps partly why there has always been an uneasy union between the UK and mainland Europe, within the EU, and why we have historically been a little suspicious of it as a nation. Isolation as an island has something to do with it, for better or worse. It has defined the country and people for centuries.

 

If I were in any way 'nationalistic' and all the other epithets that are associated with that rather nasty term then there's simply no way I would have: 

 

a) left the UK as a young adult in order to travel in, witness and learn about other nations and cultures

b) lived abroad for so many years and embraced a very foreign culture to my own

c) been in a faithful, loving relationship with a SE Asian maiden for the last 9 years

d) have produced an exquisite mixed race child with the aforementioned sultry lass

e) speak the language near fluently and spend much time with my in-laws who I am very close with

 

My rhetoric and sentiment is a little old-school / traditionalist perhaps? That doesn't mean I am anything other than well meaning, nor that I base my opinion on anything other than an informed understanding of the past both recent and ancient.

 

So, I have to say, though I'm sure you meant no offense, I do take issue with being labelled anything other than a 'patriot', as it's just not the case. 

-

I don't believe an amalgamated Europe will ever work as there have been attempts before and the outcome has been the same. Disparate cultures and peoples should be allowed to grow and develop as they are capable of / please to. Tying them together fiscally, economically and with a single currency was always a terrible idea. The political unification is the icing on the cake, it doesn't work and the massive and growing number of issues that exist will only worsen IMO.

 

My opinions only, but as always they are founded on fact.

 

 

Edited October 24, 2018 by CanterbrigianBangkoker

[whatsupdoc]

19 minutes ago, rixalex said:

Where did I say anything about anyone being equal with anyone else? And you accuse me of making assumptions?!

Make a whopper yourself and completely avoid answering the question. Kind of what I expected though.

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The answer is that a new referendum does not weaken the position of the UK negotiators, because they are in a weak position already. The option to stay in the EU might actually give them more room to negotiate (if only the UK could make up its mind what it wants.....).

 

And I am not working at Burger King..... Wrong assumption.

Edited October 24, 2018 by whatsupdoc

[tebee]

Well, it looks like we might be heading for never-ending transition.

 

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/brexit-transition-period-could-last-for-years-cabinet-warned-rk6qrjdj8