Australia paper defends Serena Williams cartoon despite outrage

[Spidey]

Just now, sanemax said:

Do get back on topic then .

Read the OP and start again 

No, please NO! ?

[marcusarelus]

7 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Do get back on topic then .

Read the OP and start again 

No one said anything was illegal.  "repugnant on many levels." Racist and

unnecessarily sambo-like, "Sambo," a derogatory term for a black person, is the name of a folkloric figure usually depicted with an exaggerated mouth and an ape-like stance.

 

Nothing about Serena is legally protected from any of that. 

 

Go ahead read the OP.  Matter of fact I think you should.

[HAKAPALITA]

No wonder Yanks have Shrinks, and Europeans dont use or like em much.

[marcusarelus]

2 minutes ago, HAKAPALITA said:

No wonder Yanks have Shrinks, and Europeans dont use or like em much.

 

[Spidey]

Just now, marcusarelus said:

No one said anything was illegal.  "repugnant on many levels." Racist and

unnecessarily sambo-like, "Sambo," a derogatory term for a black person, is the name of a folkloric figure usually depicted with an exaggerated mouth and an ape-like stance.

 

Nothing about Serena is legally protected from any of that. 

 

Go ahead read the OP.  Matter of fact I think you should.

In my home town in the UK, in a field behind an 18th century port, long abandoned, is a grave. 

 

It's the grave of a cabin boy, who died aboard an 18th century tea clipper, that plied it's trade between, India, England and the USA (until some bigoted morons dumped our best Darjeeling into the river, ungrateful gits)'.

 

It's clearly marked "Sambo's Grave" and bears a plaque inscribed:

 

Here lies Poor Samboo A faithfull Negro Who (Attending his Maſter from the Weſt Indies) Died on his Arrival at Sunderland

Full sixty Years the angry Winter's Wave   Has thundering daſhd this bleak & barren Shore Since Sambo's Head laid in this lonely Grave   Lies still & ne'er will hear their turmoil more. Full many a Sandbird chirps upon the Sod   And many a Moonlight Elfin round him trips Full many a Summer's Sunbeam warms the Clod   And many a teeming Cloud upon him drips. But still he sleeps _ till the awakening Sounds   Of the Archangel's Trump new Life impart Then the Great Judge his Approbation founds   Not on Man's Color but his_Worth of Heart James Watſon Scr.               H.Bell del. 1796   Not racist, very respectful, has brought tears to many people's eyes. It is labelled as Sambo's grave because that was his name.

[giddyup]

44 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

 My ex wife is an ignorant, redneck, racist from Arkansas who flies a Confederate flag from her porch and refers to black people by the N word.   Even she knows what a protected minority is and why.

Did you hope to convert her to your views? Must have made for lively conversations at the dinner table. Would have thought that her racist views would have taken her off your marriage-material list.

[HAKAPALITA]

7 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

 

That shows just how many Yanks Emigrated and where too.

[tropo]

On 9/12/2018 at 8:33 AM, RickBradford said:

Not outraged, just saddened.

 

For one thing, I'm saddened that Ms Williams, who was born into a tough environment, and dragged herself to the top of the tennis tree through extraordinary discipline and dedication, should now feel, in accordance with the times, that she has to seek victim status.

 

That's the last thing she is.

Initially, I felt that Serena was at fault, but after investigating similar situations where male players fought with the umpire and smashed rackets, she may have lost the match because of the umpire's decisions - clearly making her the victim. Never before has a game AND a point been deducted under similar circumstances. The coaching warning was bogus to start with.

 

Unlike in men's matches which run between 3 and 5 sets, 2 sets can seal the deal in a woman's match, making these deductions even more critical.

[marcusarelus]

12 minutes ago, Spidey said:

In my home town in the UK, in a field behind an 18th century port, long abandoned, is a grave. 

 

It's the grave of a cabin boy, who died aboard an 18th century tea clipper, that plied it's trade between, India, England and the USA (until some bigoted morons dumped our best Darjeeling into the river, ungrateful gits)'.

 

It's clearly marked "Sambo's Grave" and bears a plaque inscribed:

 

Here lies Poor Samboo A faithfull Negro Who (Attending his Maſter from the Weſt Indies) Died on his Arrival at Sunderland

Full sixty Years the angry Winter's Wave   Has thundering daſhd this bleak & barren Shore Since Sambo's Head laid in this lonely Grave   Lies still & ne'er will hear their turmoil more. Full many a Sandbird chirps upon the Sod   And many a Moonlight Elfin round him trips Full many a Summer's Sunbeam warms the Clod   And many a teeming Cloud upon him drips. But still he sleeps _ till the awakening Sounds   Of the Archangel's Trump new Life impart Then the Great Judge his Approbation founds   Not on Man's Color but his_Worth of Heart James Watſon Scr.               H.Bell del. 1796   Not racist, very respectful, has brought tears to many people's eyes. It is labelled as Sambo's grave because that was his name.

Do you think this has anything, even the remotest connection to the topic?

[giddyup]

4 minutes ago, tropo said:

Initially, I felt that Serena was at fault, but after investigating similar situations where male players fought with the umpire and smashed rackets, she may have lost the match because of the umpire's decisions - clearly making her the victim. Never before has a game AND a point been deducted under similar circumstances. The coaching warning was bogus to start with.

 

Unlike in men's matches which run between 3 and 5 sets, 2 sets can seal the deal in a woman's match, making these deductions even more critical.

The coach admitted to coaching, Serena also called the umpire "a thief", she was also fined for racket violation. She  spat the dummy because she was losing, end of.

[marcusarelus]

5 minutes ago, tropo said:

Initially, I felt that Serena was at fault, but after investigating similar situations where male players fought with the umpire and smashed rackets, she may have lost the match because of the umpire's decisions - clearly making her the victim. Never before has a game AND a point been deducted under similar circumstances. The coaching warning was bogus to start with.

 

Unlike in men's matches which run between 3 and 5 sets, 2 sets can seal the deal in a woman's match, making these deductions even more critical.

This topic has nothing to do with the rules or the smashed rackets or point deductions.  You do know that don't you?

[tropo]

3 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

This topic has nothing to do with the rules or the smashed rackets or point deductions.  You do know that don't you?

 All the reasons for the cartoon are topical. Go and moderate somewhere else or apply for a job.

[tropo]

8 minutes ago, giddyup said:

The coach admitted to coaching, Serena also called the umpire "a thief", she was also fined for racket violation. She  spat the dummy because she was losing, end of.

Thanks! I know exactly what she said as I watched it many times. As far as your "end of" suggestions, no, she wasn't losing, she was behind. How many times have you seen champions come back after being sets behind? Do you ever watch tennis?

[HAKAPALITA]

5 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

This topic has nothing to do with the rules or the smashed rackets or point deductions.  You do know that don't you?

Guys just check this Guys previous posts record. It explains a lot.

[sanemax]

8 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

This topic has nothing to do with the rules or the smashed rackets or point deductions.  You do know that don't you?

Isnt his thread about your redneck wife and Elon musk ?

[simple1]

12 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Do you think this has anything, even the remotest connection to the topic?

Personally I believe very much on topic - excellent contribution.

[Spidey]

29 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Do you think this has anything, even the remotest connection to the topic?

You brought up the fact that Sambo is racist. It also shows that Brits kicked out racism and slavery long before the US.

 

I failed to mention that people, white people, British people, still lay flowers om his grave 250 years later. It always has fresh flowers on it.

[giddyup]

28 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Do you think this has anything, even the remotest connection to the topic?

Neither does the graph of psychiatrists per capita that was in your post.

[marcusarelus]

1 minute ago, giddyup said:

Neither does the graph of psychiatrists per capita that was in your post.

Another poster wrote, "No wonder Yanks have Shrinks, and Europeans dont use or like em much."  Which is totally wrong as you can see from the graph.  

[marcusarelus]

25 minutes ago, tropo said:

 All the reasons for the cartoon are topical. Go and moderate somewhere else or apply for a job.

Everyone, at least most, agrees with the decision of the referee and that it was perhaps more severe than a men's ref.

 

No problem with that. 

 

No racism. 

 

This thread is the Australian newspaper that posted the racist cartoon again and defended it defying logic and most reasonable people in the world and giving Australia another racist debate.  

 

Topic

"Australia paper defends Serena Williams cartoon despite outrage"

 

I thought perhaps you did not read the OP. 

 

 

[utalkin2me]

1 hour ago, marcusarelus said:

The media I have been linking did many times.  The big question they were trying to answer is why does Australia have a different opinion about this than the rest of the world. 

They don't. I am not Australian. Neither are many other sane people who do not think it is racist. 

 

Racists believe one race is superior to another. Hitler was racist. KKK members are racists. This cartoon is not racist. 

 

The phrase "first world problems" comes to mind when I consider your statements. I suppose it is nice some of us have absolutely nothing else to worry about to the point where this cartoon somehow turns into a "problem".

[giddyup]

7 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Another poster wrote, "No wonder Yanks have Shrinks, and Europeans dont use or like em much."  Which is totally wrong as you can see from the graph.  

Yes, but you then encouraged further debate on an irrelevant post, didn't you?

[tropo]

1 minute ago, marcusarelus said:

Everyone, at least most, agrees with the decision of the referee and that it was perhaps more severe than a men's ref.

 

No problem with that. 

 

No racism. 

 

This thread is the Australian newspaper that posted the racist cartoon again and defended it defying logic and most reasonable people in the world and giving Australia another racist debate.  

 

Topic

"Australia paper defends Serena Williams cartoon despite outrage"

 

I thought perhaps you did not read the OP. 

 

 

Once again, anything to do with this tennis match and Serena Williams remains on topic. If you find a post is off topic and it disturbs you, don't waste bandwidth nagging about it - click the report button. Your posts nagging about on-topic, off-topic are actually off topic and do more to derail a thread, as this discourse clearly demonstrates.

[HAKAPALITA]

Irrelevant. in that case so is the Topic.I read it to see sane posters V Snowflakes. ⚖️


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[DrTuner]

40 minutes ago, utalkin2me said:

 

The phrase "first world problems" comes to mind when I consider your statements. I suppose it is nice some of us have absolutely nothing else to worry about to the point where this cartoon somehow turns into a "problem".

I watched an episode of Daniel Sloss's comedy show yesterday on netflix. He put it well, mentioning that since the middle class meat eating whites don't really have any problems, they need to create their own ones. These cartoons seem like a prime example.

[marcusarelus]

59 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Yes, but you then encouraged further debate on an irrelevant post, didn't you?

No I stopped it because it was in error.  Had I not the other anti Americans would have chimed in about how Americans used more psychiatrists than Europeans. 

 

If someone posted that Australians all had tiny things and that's why the cartoon about Serena was drawn.  Would it be corrected or just let go because it would encourage further irrelevant debate?

[marcusarelus]

47 minutes ago, tropo said:

Once again, anything to do with this tennis match and Serena Williams remains on topic. If you find a post is off topic and it disturbs you, don't waste bandwidth nagging about it - click the report button. Your posts nagging about on-topic, off-topic are actually off topic and do more to derail a thread, as this discourse clearly demonstrates.

If you read all the posts you would realize how the Aussies are desperately trying to obscure the subject of the thread (Australian Racist cartoon) and you are helping them. 

 

I don't think the topic is "anything to do with the Serena Tennis match".  Nothing in the topic to suggest that is the case.  Sure I should I should have reported it but I thought maybe you didn't read the OP and only needed to be reminded of that.  I didn't know you wanted to start bickering about it.  Sorry.  Next time I'll know. 

[marcusarelus]

1 hour ago, utalkin2me said:

They don't. I am not Australian. Neither are many other sane people who do not think it is racist. 

 

Racists believe one race is superior to another. Hitler was racist. KKK members are racists. This cartoon is not racist. 

 

The phrase "first world problems" comes to mind when I consider your statements. I suppose it is nice some of us have absolutely nothing else to worry about to the point where this cartoon somehow turns into a "problem".

CNN sums it up for most, "Australia is the nicest racist country you will ever see." 

[Spidey]

1 minute ago, marcusarelus said:

CNN sums it up for most, "Australia is the nicest racist country you will ever see." 

Whoo, you shouldn't have mentioned CNN on TVF. Don't you know that it's the Devil's channel?

 

BTW. That was a comment by one contributor, not a statement of channel policy. Other contributors disagreed.

[marcusarelus]

1 hour ago, Spidey said:

You brought up the fact that Sambo is racist. It also shows that Brits kicked out racism and slavery long before the US.

 

I failed to mention that people, white people, British people, still lay flowers om his grave 250 years later. It always has fresh flowers on it.

Sambo is mentioned in the OP because of a connection between the story Little Black Sambo and Jim Crow period - the denigration and marginalization of black people in the US. 

 

Your use of the story tries to transfer a name remembered in infamy by the black population in the US with a trite and pleasant little poem.  Incredible insulting (I know you can't fathom why and that's the point of this thread). 

 

Slavery in name only was replaced by indentured laborers in the British empire, in Fiji, Natal, Burma, Ceylon, Malaya, British Guiana, Jamaica and Trinidad. The first ships carrying indentured laborers left India in 1836.  Suggest getting a little better attuned to your real history.