Big Joke to fly to England to interview teen who claimed rape on Koh Tao

[Just Weird]

14 hours ago, Kadilo said:

That’s a really strong statement to make unless you’re in the know. 

You seem to have a real dislike of this lady, or a deeper agenda. 

 

...or, perhaps, he has just listened to and read the claims that have been made and come to a rational opinion.

[Just Weird]

14 hours ago, AlexRich said:

The usual suspects show up to call the girl a liar ... 

The usual suspects show up to support a girl who has shown no evidence of a rape, neither has she demonstrated any credibility with her tales.

[Kay McDonnell]

I am dreading the news reports from the Uk

Senior police investigator (named BIG JOKE) flies in from Thailand to interview British national who is claiming a very serious allegation which happened on Thailand.  

 

Whos idea is this?

[Kadilo]

5 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

...or, perhaps, he has just listened to and read the claims that have been made and come to a rational opinion.

There is nothing rational about some of the posts made on here about the lady in question. To be honest they are quite disgusting and some need to have a good look on the mirror and ask are they really happy with themselves?

[Just Weird]

9 hours ago, MaiChai said:

In the 20 years or so of living in Thailand, i have never seen a news story of a local lady being raped. Thus are local ladies immune to being raped or is there some cultural differences here? Firstly women are subserviation to men (in general), if a man wishes to impose himself on a lady, the lady can give in, fight him or try and run away. Society is male dominated. In a situation where a man is in a powerful position, there is very little a victim can do. Now we can probably understand why the police would not want to accept a rape claim; a report would need to be filed and no local policeman would want to write that up. Now consider the English girl; she comes from a culture where rape is considered a crime. She had her drink spiked and then not able to fend off someone who wanted to have sex with her. Then we have Thailands reputation as a tourist destination. Thus we see there is alot at play here and the truth is probably not the priority?

" She had her drink spiked and then not able to fend off someone who wanted to have sex with her".

There's no evidence that she had her drink spiked but there is evidence that she had been drinking all night up to the point where she wanted to go back to the hostel and was accompanied there, via the beach, by one of her male friends, Martin.  He was not there when she woke up and claimed to realise that she had been raped.  Why did that man, who was supposed to be seeing safely home, leave her alone, unconscious on the beach?

[AlexRich]

1 minute ago, Just Weird said:

The usual suspects show up to support a girl who has shown no evidence of a rape, neither has she demonstrated any credibility with her tales.

 

Her family, the journalists questioning her, her friends who know her and many expats and Thai’s who are familiar with Kho Tao take a very different view from you. The girl reported the attack but the Thai police refused to register her complaint. You claim that she did not report a rape, and is therefore lying to the world. 

 

No proper professional investigation has taken place, and never will ... for a number of reasons that have little to do with the victim and much to do with the technical competence, motivations and objectives of Thai law enforcement. A clamp down in corruption, including Police corruption, was one of the stated aims of the new government. That’s an admission to the world about the police force who you choose to back have a major problem. I believe the girl.

 

 

 

 

 

[rkidlad]

5 hours ago, cyberfarang said:

What do you mean, as a party-goer? Why else do young people attend Full Loon parties? To discuss Einstein`s theory of relativity?

 

Also, she wasn`t too traumatised and scared to make a report that her phone was missing for an insurance claim when her drug and rape ordeal seemed to have slipped her mind. Search that for yourself too. And that`s what makes her story a load of bull.

 

She cried wolf rape because her antics on Koh Tao were cottoned on by her friends, to protect her own reputation and cover up to her boyfriend that she`d been partying with other guys. It`s as simple as that. No need to be a genius to work this one out. You`re going to find that this is and will continue to be the consensus of opinion, until any suspects are identified or descriptions are given, and she gives a credible account of her events on that evening.

As a party-goer, yes. As in someone who went there and actively partied. They weren't just there in appearance only. Hell, show me any evidence she was anywhere near the party at all. 

 

Her friend, Martin, was with her when she was allegedly refused the right to report the rape (that's right - we have TWO people who have stated this). The officer in question said they could report the phone and bank cards, etc. Maybe she wasn't too concerned about her phone but thought it best to have the cards reported as missing or stolen. You know, as missing credit and debit cards can be a huge problem. Maybe her friends encouraged her to do so as they would have been thinking clearly. 

 

Yes, she clearly cried wolf to protect her reputation. She's done a stand-up ***** job of that. 

[Just Weird]

4 hours ago, fxe1200 said:

From the investigative team half way around the world:

Unfortunately, neither the girl not her mother are in a position to dictate who is the officer in charge of an RTP investigation, nor who conducts the interview.

[Megasin1]

20 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

Why?  All it would prove was that there was Thai sperm on her t-shirt, nothing else, and certainly not rape!  

Just, you should join the British police force, there is a job awaiting someone with your skills. The police won't prosecute anyone nowadays unless you have video evidence of the crime having taken place and one police force was only responding to burglaries that occurred to even numbered houses. You can easily apply your logic that no burglaries take place in odd numbered houses and no crime takes place unless it is captured in 3D and dynamic surround sound with the criminal screaming at the top of his voice "Look everyone, I am committing a crime!" There was an alleged claim of rape, it initially started in Thailand, as even the BKK post started off with "reported stolen" and 2 paragraphs later was saying "lost". Let's go back to square one, according to the Thai police she didn't lodge a claim of rape, so therefore as far as the Thai police should be concerned that's it, or did she? The first rule when digging yourself a hole is stop digging, the Thais in this case are not only still digging they have bought in a bulldozer. I go also back to square one, how is the stolen iPhone investigation coming along?

[Just Weird]

1 hour ago, generealty said:

What a pathetic joke that they think they can force a civilian in the UK to be interrogated by a corrupt police force bent on discrediting her and shame on the UK Embassy for agreeing to such a thing. Can only go downhill for Thai police imo and I really hope that the UK and International press and media really lay into this ambassador for the illegal junta. and finally it is the Embassy of United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland - well it has been for well over 30 years.

Where has it been stated that the RTP are forcing Baxter to be interrogated?

[rkidlad]

6 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

Unfortunately, neither the girl not her mother are in a position to dictate who is the officer in charge of an RTP investigation, nor who conducts the interview.

That's it! If the RTP wanna send someone who isn't qualified (and can't speak English well)  to investigate a rape and who threatened to arrest the girl if lying, they can! They're the bosses in this investigation!

 

SCORE!

[Kadilo]

Just now, rkidlad said:

That's it! If the RTP wanna send someone who isn't qualified (and can't speak English well)  to investigate a rape and who threatened to arrest the girl if lying, they can! They're the bosses in this investigation!

 

SCORE!

He’s lost the plot. 

[Just Weird]

1 hour ago, rkidlad said:

That's all? Wow! And her mother doesn't want her to speak to him because? 

...because it may turn out that she's making a false allegation?

[Just Weird]

29 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

There is nothing rational about some of the posts made on here about the lady in question. To be honest they are quite disgusting and some need to have a good look on the mirror and ask are they really happy with themselves?

If you're referring to me, I'm very happy with myself, thanks very much.  As for rationality, here on Thaivisa that is a rare bird.

[Nip]

Just a thought. Is it possible that this plank runs the risk of being arrested himself on arrival in Heathrow airport for eg defamation? He will be slaughtered in the media just wondering how the young lady could fight back.  

[rkidlad]

6 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

...because it may turn out that she's making a false allegation?

Of course. She must have seen all the photos of him arresting foreigners on overstay and thought, 'Wow! This guy's good!". 

[janclaes47]

16 hours ago, oldrunner said:

If sperm found on T-shirt turns out to be THAI, this would not look good for Thailand.

 

IF

 

UK forensics have had the T-shirt now for more than 2 months, and nothing in that regard has been reported yet.

 

If Thai forensics would not be able to conclude a DNA test within 2 months, I can not imagine how many would be bashing Thai police on this forum.

 

I'm also sure that IF the UK forensics had found such evidence that report would be all over this forum, so explain why there is no report.

[lvr181]

Big fish out of small pond, will flounder around before "death". Because they do not realize how modern big ponds are so different from their little pond.  Oh dear, how sad, to bad, never mind. 

 

I am sure a "victory" will be concocted where none existed. 

 

[Just Weird]

26 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

Her family, the journalists questioning her, her friends who know her and many expats and Thai’s who are familiar with Kho Tao take a very different view from you. The girl reported the attack but the Thai police refused to register her complaint. You claim that she did not report a rape, and is therefore lying to the world. 

 

No proper professional investigation has taken place, and never will ... for a number of reasons that have little to do with the victim and much to do with the technical competence, motivations and objectives of Thai law enforcement. A clamp down in corruption, including Police corruption, was one of the stated aims of the new government. That’s an admission to the world about the police force who you choose to back have a major problem. I believe the girl.

"You claim that she did not report a rape, and is therefore lying to the world". 

You seem to be claiming that she did report a rape.  

 

"No proper professional investigation has taken place, and never will ... for a number of reasons that have little to do with the victim..."

You mean the "victim" who, nearly three months after the alleged incident has still not officially made a complaint to the only agency she can make a complaint to and expect an investigation, nor has she allowed herself to be interviewed about the alleged rape?  I think those circumstances have a lot to do with the alleged victim.

[Kadilo]

6 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

If you're referring to me, I'm very happy with myself, thanks very much.  As for rationality, here on Thaivisa that is a rare bird.

I beg to differ but you carry on......

[Nip]

Another thought. How can the UK Embassy legally or morally authorise or approve that the young woman can be interviewed, interrogated or intimidated by the JOKE? 

[frank83628]

5 hours ago, rkidlad said:

As a party-goer, yes. As in someone who went there and actively partied. They weren't just there in appearance only. Hell, show me any evidence she was anywhere near the party at all. 
 
Her friend, Martin, was with her when she was allegedly refused the right to report the rape (that's right - we have TWO people who have stated this). The officer in question said they could report the phone and bank cards, etc. Maybe she wasn't too concerned about her phone but thought it best to have the cards reported as missing or stolen. You know, as missing credit and debit cards can be a huge problem. Maybe her friends encouraged her to do so as they would have been thinking clearly. 
 
Yes, she clearly cried wolf to protect her reputation. She's done a stand-up ***** job of that. 

They were Hiding behind anonymity at 1st, then that was blown after the cops gave out her name...i imagine there has been a bit of scurrying around since, easiest way to try to stop being found out would be to refuse the interview..in turn exposing the lie even more.
But alsobthey are in no position to dictate whobthey speak to...there are laws and procedures in every country to follow with this type of thing.
Odd that after not reporting to her embassy in bkk she flies home and reports it straight to the ST of all places...an online publication mainly used by expats and people living in thailand...surely the sun etc would be more well known to a 19yr old..they are in all the shops with numbers to call

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[rkidlad]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

They were Hiding behind anonymity at 1st, then that was blown after the cops gave out her name...i imagine there has been a bit of scurrying around since, easiest way to try to stop being found out would be to refuse the interview..in turn exposing the lie even more.
But alsobthey are in no position to dictate whobthey speak to...there are laws and procedures in every country to follow with this type of thing.
Odd that after not reporting to her embassy in bkk she flies home and reports it straight to the ST of all places...an online publication mainly used by expats and people living in thailand...surely the sun etc would be more well known to a 19yr old..they are in all the shops with numbers to call

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I'm pretty sure someone claiming to have been raped could ask to be interviewed by a female and a female only. I find a request like that makes perfect sense and isn't at all unreasonable. Would you find it unreasonable? 

[Just Weird]

5 hours ago, rkidlad said:

As a party-goer, yes. As in someone who went there and actively partied. They weren't just there in appearance only. Hell, show me any evidence she was anywhere near the party at all. 

 

Her friend, Martin, was with her when she was allegedly refused the right to report the rape (that's right - we have TWO people who have stated this). The officer in question said they could report the phone and bank cards, etc. Maybe she wasn't too concerned about her phone but thought it best to have the cards reported as missing or stolen. You know, as missing credit and debit cards can be a huge problem. Maybe her friends encouraged her to do so as they would have been thinking clearly. 

 

Yes, she clearly cried wolf to protect her reputation. She's done a stand-up ***** job of that. 

"Her friend, Martin, was with her when she was allegedly refused the right to report the rape (that's right - we have TWO people who have stated this)".

That would be the same Martin that was supposed to be escorting her safely home after she said she felt drowsy after a night on the sherbert but who, for some reason, took the drowsy girl to the beach.   There, according to her story in The Times they sat down together, she was unraped at that stage.   Some time later she awoke alone, allegedly raped, on the same beach, with no sign of her Sir Gallahad (Martin) who appears to have left her there and buggered off.

[lvr181]

1 minute ago, rkidlad said:

I'm pretty sure someone claiming to have been raped could ask to be interviewed by a female and a female only. I find a request like that makes perfect sense and isn't at all unreasonable. Would you find it unreasonable? 

Not an unreasonable request but TIT (patriarchal society). 

[Nip]

3 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

I'm pretty sure someone claiming to have been raped could ask to be interviewed by a female and a female only. I find a request like that makes perfect sense and isn't at all unreasonable. Would you find it unreasonable? 

Your absolutely correct. Thai and International law dictates that she must be interviewed by a woman police officer.

[rkidlad]

1 minute ago, Just Weird said:

"Her friend, Martin, was with her when she was allegedly refused the right to report the rape (that's right - we have TWO people who have stated this)".

That would be the same Martin that was supposed to be escorting her safely home after she said she felt drowsy after a night on the sherbert but who, for some reason, took the drowsy girl to the beach.   There, according to her story in The Times they sat down together, she was unraped at that stage.   Some time later she awoke alone, allegedly raped, on the same beach, with no sign of her Sir Gallahad (Martin) who appears to have left her there and buggered off.

Yes, amazing how people behave when they've just been drugged. Learn to handle your drugs better, you lightweights! 

[Just Weird]

1 minute ago, rkidlad said:

Yes, amazing how people behave when they've just been drugged. 

No evidence of that at all so far.

[lvr181]

2 minutes ago, Nip said:

Your absolutely correct. Thai and International law dictates that she must be interviewed by a woman police officer.

Really? You think that Thailand abides by international law? They don't have a good record for that.

[rkidlad]

1 minute ago, Just Weird said:

No evidence of that at all so far.

There's also no evidence he took a drowsy girl to the beach. Unless you're selectively choosing which part of the story to believe. You wouldn't do that, would you?