blackhorse Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 The chance of being involved in an accident while cycling is actually relatively slim. In excess of 223 million bike journeys are made each year – that's 613,000 every day. Unfortunately, between 10 and 20 fatal traffic accidents occur on Amsterdam's roads each year – 20% to 30% of these are cyclists.Countries with bike lanes are pretty safe. We just had a world champion endurance rider racing the night leg in oz on a highway run down and killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lahgon29 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 30 minutes ago, KiChakayan said: This is the main reason I ride 9000km a year. I can outpace the dogs and, with some luck, lacerate their noses with my cleats. The alternative would have been running, but 15kmh max and rubber soles, no good. I refuse to see beer drinking as a viable alternative, unlike many other posters on this thread. Doesn't have to be an alternative, I manage to run 3 times a week, gym 3 times a week, and just love my beer. I know a few others who do the same. I refuse to see NOT drinking beer as a viable alternative, unlike many other posters on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldrunner Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Thailand can never meet International Standards for almost anything. A well publicized bicycle event should have had massive police escort, similar to what we see every day on Thai roads for HISO/VIPS. Bicycle through any number of 3rd world countries but you better skip Thailand. Not very clever going directly to vehicle repair shop. Driver not in custody??? must be VIP Politico/Police General/etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldrunner Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Hunting for suspect? You know who he is, you have his vehicle, where could he be, unless he is a high ranking officer/politician who will Wai his way of of this brutal murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dallen52 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 We know some drivers see cyclists as fair game sadly. But professional riders who compete are highly visible. Thai drivers and driving is at best found wanting. But to leave the scene of the accident in any country and language, is just low life at it's worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvavin Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Stop wasting time catching the culprit because it is business as usual, "faulty brakes"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Theory Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 12 hours ago, webfact said: . The Appeals Court last June upheld a two-year jail No wonder drunk driving and killing is “never ending story” in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianf Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 13 hours ago, blackhorse said: Cyclists all over the world continue to get run over. How is trying to win a title worth your life and especially cycling in Thailand you may as well make out a will Strangely enough Blackhorse, those of us who are cyclists dont see it that way at all. I consider cycling in Thailand reasonably safe even compared to the UK. I cover 22,000+ km (plus) every year and over the past 10 years have not had any problems. Dopn't spread the message here that cycling is crazy or unsafe or whatever because that is simply not true. In context Motorcycling has way way more fatalities each year as do motorists. Indeed, someone once said that more pedestrians die on the roads here each year than cyclists. Perhaps you would suggest not walking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PEE TEE Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 12 hours ago, Thian said: I know several farangs from Europe who went to thailand to cycle......and one of their pest hates was rabies soidogs.. But for me anybody who wants to bicycle in Thailand is an idiot...they go too slow for the traffic here. So your calling me an idiot i've been cycling almost every day for the last 15 years without any problems . shit happens this could be in any country and to be correct most thai driver drive too slow anyway. as i would think you don't ride a motorbike or drive a car definitely not ride a bicycle . so don't forget to look both ways before you cross the road pedestrians get run over and killed also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 minute ago, PEE TEE said: So your calling me an idiot i've been cycling almost every day for the last 15 years without any problems . shit happens this could be in any country and to be correct most thai driver drive too slow anyway. as i would think you don't ride a motorbike or drive a car definitely not ride a bicycle . so don't forget to look both ways before you cross the road pedestrians get run over and killed also. Just like the helmet or seatbelt argument... ‘never worn one, not been killed’... it’s rather an idiotic argument... One person Cycling here for 15 years with out issue does not mean cycling on Thailand’s roads is safe, it means you have been fortunate. The ‘shit happens’ argument is also highly flawed when presented in a manner which implies equal chance (of being involved in an accident). Thailands roads are more dangerous for anyone using them, motorists, motorcyclists, padestrians, cyclists.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackhorse Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Strangely enough Blackhorse, those of us who are cyclists dont see it that way at all. I consider cycling in Thailand reasonably safe even compared to the UK. I cover 22,000+ km (plus) every year and over the past 10 years have not had any problems. Dopn't spread the message here that cycling is crazy or unsafe or whatever because that is simply not true. In context Motorcycling has way way more fatalities each year as do motorists. Indeed, someone once said that more pedestrians die on the roads here each year than cyclists. Perhaps you would suggest not walking?Depends where you liveCycling down a country Rd in isaan is not the same as bangkok phuket or pattaya.Where do you live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PEE TEE Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Many comment on this topic is from a lot of people who don't understand the joy of cycling . maybe they sit in their cars and armchairs . cycling is for those who want to exercise their heart and body is low impact so no damage to the knees . the heat in this country is no problem as you create your own wind .is only when you stop it gets hot. The poor man who got killed is tragic . the main is the driver being a coward and doing a runner . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackhorse Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Many comment on this topic is from a lot of people who don't understand the joy of cycling . maybe they sit in their cars and armchairs . cycling is for those who want to exercise their heart and body is low impact so no damage to the knees . the heat in this country is no problem as you create your own wind .is only when you stop it gets hot. The poor man who got killed is tragic . the main is the driver being a coward and doing a runner . I cycle 45 minutes per day in bangkokIn an air condition gym over looking the lovelies by the poolZero chance of being run over by a bus which is a big bonus [emoji16] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Dude Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Despite this being a totally classic example of how dangerous it is to ride a bike here, riding one at 01:30 am is a fool's errand and asking for it and am a little surprised he did it due to the continuous stories of bike riders being slaughtered all the time. Too many ridiculously incompetent nutjob Thais driving around drunk/high/in a rush at night time (post 6 pm) and all the douchebags are out in force (makes the daytime look restrained) that wouldn't even piss on someone on fire (as in this case just did a runner). To be honest, I've given up on driving at night time...simply too dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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snoop1130 Posted October 26, 2018 Author Share Posted October 26, 2018 Driver accused of killing Filipino rally cyclist arrested attempting to flee to Cambodia By Sonthanaporn Inchan The Nation A 29-year-old Sa Kaew van driver who hit and killed a 51-year-old Filipino cyclist during a long-distance event in Chachoengsao's Ban Pho district on Tuesday, was arrested on Thursday night as he attempted to flee to Cambodia, police said. Suspect Chutipan Buddawiang tested positive for substance abuse and faces charges of reckless driving resulting in another person's death, reckless driving resulting in property damage and failing to stop to inform authorities about a fatal road accident and taking a narcotic substance, Chacherngsao police chief Pol Maj General Theerapol Jindaluang said on Friday. Chutipan, a chartered van driver, reportedly confessed to running over cyclist Russel Agaton Diokno Perez. He claimed that he did not see the cyclist and fled the scene, police said. The suspect later told Apichet Chaiban, the van owner, that he ran over a cow on a return trip from Bangkok to Sa Kaew. Apichet claimed insurance for the van damage and sent it to a Min Buri garage for repair. Police, who traced the van's route from CCTV footage, located and confiscated the van on Thursday and submitted it for forensic investigation. A check of the traffic light system at the scene of the incident showed that the van jumped a red light and crashed into the cyclist, police said. Chutipan also admitted to taking methamphetamine pills as he became stressed over the incident, police said. Beside the criminal case against Chutipan, police will also have the insurance company negotiate a compensation payment with the deceased man's family. Perez was hit by the van while he was making a right turn at the traffic lights at Hua Noen intersection on Sirisothorn Road at 1.30am on Tuesday. Perez was only 50 kilometres from the finish line in the 1,000 BRM Suvarnabhumi Airport-Trat rally, according to the Audax Randonneurs Thailand fan page on Wednesday. Perez was pronounced dead at Ban Pho Hospital. Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30357274 -- © Copyright The Nation 2018-10-26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ctkong Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 11 hours ago, LomSak27 said: That's what I thought after reading the article. It is tough enough in daylight hours, but you are going to have a night event?! my god. Maybe it is too hot to cycle during daytime... but night time is more deadly . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKr Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 16 hours ago, blackhorse said: What's the attraction here? Nothing to see but banana plantations and stinking heat and humidity. I couldn't think of a worse place to cycle Now cycling in Europe in the cooler months would be absolutely stunning views and beautiful architecture in the cities. I would even give it a do over there but not in lycra lol Enjoy your stay in Europe !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackhorse Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Enjoy your stay in Europe !!What is about bike riders that makes them agro? I would have thought riding 50 kilometers a day as you all seem to do.. Uhum.. would leave you feeling calm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhys Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Another world cyclist killed by a Thai driver... but this one they caught.. and of course.. will walk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 after many thousands of KM on Thai roads I have seen what these minivan drivers (and others) do, they squeeze through to the left (no lane) at lights in an attempt to jump ahead of the vehicles who are waiting in line for the lights to change, they will often go before the light changes to green so they don't get trapped were there is no lane ahead for them to go - something the Thai police need to clamp down on - people trying to jump the line by making a lane where there isn't one, motorbikes can get away with it because …... well they are motorbikes Now some innocent accomplished bicycle rider is dead because some idiot in a minivan didn't want to wait in line like everyone else RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE REVERAND Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Another one dead on the road how many are dead this year including those who have accident on the road and die at hospital. The Thai government have Creative Accountancy only those killed on the road are counted. The others who die elsewhere are not included as their philosophy is Only Count those who are killed at the accident are counted as a road death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 11 hours ago, Sir Dude said: Despite this being a totally classic example of how dangerous it is to ride a bike here, riding one at 01:30 am is a fool's errand and asking for it and am a little surprised he did it due to the continuous stories of bike riders being slaughtered all the time. Too many ridiculously incompetent nutjob Thais driving around drunk/high/in a rush at night time (post 6 pm) and all the douchebags are out in force (makes the daytime look restrained) that wouldn't even piss on someone on fire (as in this case just did a runner). To be honest, I've given up on driving at night time...simply too dangerous. I agree to a point, I don't even like riding a scooter on main roads - I feel so exposed, I do like riding my main bike however because I am in total control of the road and the surrounding traffic, I have seen too may people driving with their heads buried in phones or watching the latest soap on their dash mounted TV - they will always be behind me...……..far behind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, THE REVERAND said: Another one dead on the road how many are dead this year including those who have accident on the road and die at hospital. The Thai government have Creative Accountancy only those killed on the road are counted. The others who die elsewhere are not included as their philosophy is Only Count those who are killed at the accident are counted as a road death they just don't know how to stop it, and it is definitely not by setting up a checkpoint looking for a 300baht tip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxYakov Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 23 hours ago, Juan B Tong said: Concerned highway safety advocates should encourage Chinese lycra clad bicycling tourists to enjoy the highways and byways of Thailand. Give them free multiple entry visas on arrival! Would the lycra togs be absolutely required? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissables Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 21 hours ago, connda said: If you did that to one of my dogs I'd be tempted to beat you with your own bike then squirt bleach in your eyes when your on the ground considering that it would only cost me 5000 THB and a wai to the Thai public. However, that's the part of me that I've been able to keep under a lid for most of my life. However I would get the cops involved and track you down. And trust me, most Thais will do the same. Bleach can permanent blind an animal you compassionateless fool. The cops and the Thai public would not be impressed. There are other ways to deal with dogs when walking or biking. I suggest you rethink that idea. Obviously you have not had a dog, or a pack of dogs attack you when riding a bike. If you had you would understand how bad it is. If it was one of your dogs, one could ask, what the f$#k was it doing in the street attacking passersby? So actually instead of talking macho nonsense about repercussions, you could just control your dogs. Oh, and pick their damn s#it up while you are at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesofa Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 2 hours ago, THE REVERAND said: Another one dead on the road how many are dead this year including those who have accident on the road and die at hospital. The Thai government have Creative Accountancy only those killed on the road are counted. The others who die elsewhere are not included as their philosophy is Only Count those who are killed at the accident are counted as a road death Absolutely, regarding the creative accountancy aka in this sense: lying. I'm sure someone will point me in the right direction, but the figures I always refer to the one being used are the WHO statistics, which are only available for 2015. In that list you can see Libya is the winner by a mile, with 73 deaths per 100K population, followed by Thailand with 36. I'm guessing now that Libya hasn't produced any statistics for a while now, due to their political instability, leaving Thailand as the winner. If Thailand produced figures on an honest, rather than massaged-to-look-good, then they could well have beaten Libya back in 2015 too. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 3 hours ago, smedly said: I agree to a point, I don't even like riding a scooter on main roads - I feel so exposed, I do like riding my main bike however because I am in total control of the road and the surrounding traffic, I have seen too may people driving with their heads buried in phones or watching the latest soap on their dash mounted TV - they will always be behind me...……..far behind And that car that comes out of a side road without looking, or the dog that runs into the road, how are they behind you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardColeman Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 I get the feeling that the fine for the false insurance claim will be bigger than the law ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grusa Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Interesting that the Bib go all out to catch a guy who killed a lowly Philipino, but have done nothing to catch the guy who killed one of their own men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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