The Official Manchester City Thread

[mrbojangles]

38 minutes ago, Bredbury Blue said:

Some interesting points raised by Martin S

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8005751/Financial-Fair-Play-UEFA-protection-racket-payback-clubs-hate-Manchester-City.html

Good read but I doubt that anyone on here will take some time to read it. This extract taken from the article pretty much sums it up

 

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It is possible to acknowledge City’s wrongdoing but still hold nothing but contempt for the system that has found them guilty. For the secret briefings, the pressure placed on UEFA to ring-fence their primary competition for the select few. 

 

Financial fair play was corrupted from birth by those at the top, warped into the most naked protectionism. It was supposed to be about debt, but ended up placing limitations on owner investment. A club loaded with debt, like Manchester United, is fully compliant; a club without debt, like City, is not. 

 

The money City threw at their project initially was to try to get inside football's fancy castle before the establishment upped the drawbridge.

 

[couchpotato]

Seems like Manchester football has many problems.

One team can't play (very well), and the other team won't be allowed to play (where they want).

[jellydog]

This is bad news with ripples that will last for quite a while. Here is something from Gabriele Marcotti explaining in plain English what is happening. For me Marcotti is one of the more intelligent and sane pundits out there.

 

https://www.espn.com/soccer/manchester-city/story/4052959/what-manchester-citys-uefa-competition-ban-means-and-what-might-happen-next

 

 

 

[smokie36]

3 hours ago, mrbojangles said:

Bold statement that Ronnie.

 

I'd like to know more. Could you please expand on the "in every way". How long is that list of us breaking rules?

 

Ridiculous sponsorship deals.....Mancini's pay deal....2 years ban worth of irregularities....dear oh dear haha.

[mrbojangles]

59 minutes ago, RonniePickering22 said:

 

Ridiculous sponsorship deals.....Mancini's pay deal....2 years ban worth of irregularities....dear oh dear haha.

I'm not responding to you anymore on this subject. You're just on one big wind up ????

[Herewe]

Interesting reading from The Independent

 

How did Manchester City get into this mess? It is obvious how it started. The reigning champions tried to disguise direct payments from Sheikh Mansour, the owner, by inflating the sponsorship provided by Etihad airlines.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/man-city-champions-league-ban-fine-uefa-appeal-latest-points-deduction-a9337326.html

[smokie36]

1 hour ago, mrbojangles said:

I'm not responding to you anymore on this subject. You're just on one big wind up ????

 

Probably UEFA are too to be fair. 

[smokie36]

53 minutes ago, Herewe said:

Interesting reading from The Independent

 

How did Manchester City get into this mess? It is obvious how it started. The reigning champions tried to disguise direct payments from Sheikh Mansour, the owner, by inflating the sponsorship provided by Etihad airlines.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/man-city-champions-league-ban-fine-uefa-appeal-latest-points-deduction-a9337326.html

 

In a nutshell!

[smokie36]

[mrbojangles]

6 minutes ago, RonniePickering22 said:

We're not asking for violins mate. You probably care more than we do. Of course we'd like the additional money but don't forget, up until recently we never needed passports to watch City, so we won't really miss the comp

[3 minus 2]

so 'accountancy fraud'  I'm jumping into the dark here, but surely that goes beyond just footballing legislation,  if proved would it end up in jail terms? tbh I'm not sure.. On a  positive note for the soccer washers dictatorship, it'll further  take the limelight away from  the human rights abuses and other nastiness that happens in the 'kingdom'.  so  HAPPY DAYS

[RickG16]

17 hours ago, jellydog said:

For me Marcotti is one of the more intelligent and sane pundits out there.

 

 

 

He's the top dog IMO. 

[BangrakBob]

????

 

 

[smokie36]

16 hours ago, mrbojangles said:

We're not asking for violins mate. You probably care more than we do. Of course we'd like the additional money but don't forget, up until recently we never needed passports to watch City, so we won't really miss the comp

 

The FA are going to have to respond sooner or later.

 

Points deduction or relegation?

 

I have my new shiny peanut gallery season ticket in hand. 

[3 minus 2]

9 minutes ago, RonniePickering22 said:

 

The FA are going to have to respond sooner or later.

 

Points deduction or relegation?

 

I have my new shiny peanut gallery season ticket in hand. 

points deduction retrospectively would  mean them losing the  title ?  oh dear..  ????

[mrbojangles]

30 minutes ago, 3 minus 2 said:

points deduction retrospectively would  mean them losing the  title ?  oh dear..  ????

Which year? Or just to make sure, do you propose points deduction every year?

[wilai]

30 minutes ago, 3 minus 2 said:

points deduction retrospectively would  mean them losing the  title ?  oh dear..  ????

If applied to 13/14, the WHOLE of Manchester would be in bits????

[3 minus 2]

1 hour ago, mrbojangles said:

Which year? Or just to make sure, do you propose points deduction every year?

   it could be very strongly argued your clubs cheating had an effect on EVERY game it  played for the whole period.. Milan are the most recent culprits..  got a years ban followed by another  no doubt aided by, that , they had the grace, and common sense, to hold their hands up and take responsibility for their actions.. Wheras your mob seems to  have been caught lieng and still insist on their innocence... just  put the scenario into an every day  setting...it dont take much to work out why the powers to be are <deleted>..

[Bredbury Blue]

City have 10 days to lodge their appeal against being thrown out of the Champions League to the Court of Arbitration for Sport...

In addition to lodging their appeal, City will also need to ask for the ban and fine to be set aside until the appeal is heard, otherwise the punishment will still apply.

 

[smokie36]

3 hours ago, 3 minus 2 said:

points deduction retrospectively would  mean them losing the  title ?  oh dear..  ????

 

100 pts and they will be playing Norwich next season. 

[deej]

Done the crime

Do the time

 

[mrbojangles]

36 minutes ago, deej said:

Done the crime

Do the time

 

Hypocrite.

 

Don't think I'll be taking any moral high ground from Chelsea thanks. It's owners like yours that saw the need to create this crooked FFP in the first place

[champers]

12 minutes ago, mrbojangles said:

Hypocrite.

 

Don't think I'll be taking any moral high ground from Chelsea thanks. It's owners like yours that saw the need to create this crooked FFP in the first place

Chelsea look smarter. No naming of the stadium, shirt sponsors unconnected to the owner. City have flaunted their owners money and as good as dared the authorities to charge them.

I don't believe in FFP but presumably City have signed up to it to enable them to play in UEFA's competitions, and others.

The irony of the situation is this, for me. Owners who want to pump millions into the sport are punished, Other owners without 2 halfpennies to rub together can leave a club's creditors out of pocket to the tune of millions and take their club out of business or damn close to it.

That's football.

[mrbojangles]

13 minutes ago, champers said:

Chelsea look smarter. No naming of the stadium, shirt sponsors unconnected to the owner. City have flaunted their owners money and as good as dared the authorities to charge them.

Abramovich was flaunting his money before FFP and they now owe him 1.2billion. We are debt free. I know who I would sooner be owned by. 

 

One question. Could Abramovich do now what he did at Chelsea then?

[deej]

39 minutes ago, mrbojangles said:

Hypocrite.

 

Don't think I'll be taking any moral high ground from Chelsea thanks. It's owners like yours that saw the need to create this crooked FFP in the first place

Posting that i.am a hypocrite  

Hilarous????

Your club M/City has been caught  red handed  why defend their  devious actions  and take  it on the chin

Or 

Appeal against the C/L ban

and  from many reports etc etc  i have read your chances of being sucessful are  a million to one

Clearly M/City have done the crime

Now do the time 

 

 

[mrbojangles]

3 minutes ago, deej said:

Posting that i.am a hypocrite  

Hilarous????

Your club M/City has been caught  red handed  why defend their  devious actions  and take  it on the chin

Or 

Appeal against the C/L ban

and  from many reports etc etc  i have read your chances of being sucessful are  a million to one

Clearly M/City have done the crime

Now do the time 

 

 

We are appealing.

[smokie36]

1 hour ago, mrbojangles said:

We are appealing.

 

To our better nature?

 

We don't have one.

 

Suck it up boys!!

[mrbojangles]

Saw this on a social media site, so don't think there is a fair usage policy

 

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Once upon a time, there was a really prestigious football tournament called the European Cup, which was based on sporting excellence. It brought together outstanding teams from across the continent. To qualify teams first had to prove themselves by winning their own league, this truly was a competition for champions.

 

With the glory though also came the opportunity for great wealth & eventually the principal of sporting excellence was overtaken by greed. The self-appointed elite of the time "the European Royalty" decided they wanted a greater share of the spoils & they wanted it guaranteed regardless of their performance!

 

The grubby little cartel (later known as the G14) threatened to break away & form their own Super League, unless everyone else agreed to their demands! Feeling they had little choice, UEFA caved in & the"Champions" League was born.

 

At the heart of this self-serving little cartel were 3 English clubs (Man United, Liverpool & Arsenal) & coincidentally the format of the new competition granted 3 places to English teams. It also changed from a straight knockout format to an initial group stage. So now not only could they still qualify by only finishing 2nd or 3rd in the Premier League, they were also guaranteed at least 6 lucrative fixtures each season.

 

BOOM! The money started rolling in & the big 3 got fatter, as they disappeared over the horizon, leaving the rest of the league with little chance of ever challenging their increasing financial dominance!

 

Then out of the blue, a wealthy Russian Oligarch, Roman Abramovich, rolled into town to bankroll Chelsea & gatecrash the party! With the gravy train now under threat, the greedy little threesome convinced UEFA to increase the English allocation to 4 places! Phew disaster averted, onwards & upwards, no harm done...

 

That was until the "evil" Sheikh Mansour bought Manchester City with his unlimited "dirty oil money!"!

Now with UEFA unable or unwilling to accommodate this latest unwelcome guest at the top table, a new strategy was required to preserve the dominance of the established elite. Without further a do, the "Financial Fair Play" was conceived!

This had little to do with "fair play", turning a blind eye to debt ridden clubs & owners that systematically drained money out of the game! It was solely designed to stop wealthy owners investing in clubs & making them competitive; thus ensuring the lazy established elite remained unchallenged.

 

Undeterred by the bogus nature of these new constraints targeted at them & any future investors, Manchester City embarked on transforming the club, with initial investment to break the cartel & putting top quality people in place, off the field as well as on it.

In addition to breaking all records on the pitch, the club has now achieved commercial sustainability & delivered 4 years of profit. The club is now independently valued at over £2B (reportedly outstripping all the Premier League old-guard). This has shown a huge return on Sheikh Mansour's £1.2B investment & dispelling the lie of "financial doping".

 

So what do the owners of the established "European Royalty" do now? Up their game? Risk their own money to meet the challenge? No! They utilise their stooges in the media to try & discredit City's achievements & demand UEFA do "something" to derail Citys' progress!

 

[3 minus 2]

5 hours ago, RonniePickering22 said:

 

To our better nature?

 

We don't have one.

 

Suck it up boys!!

I think he meant 'we are appalling'

  hey dont worry the championship ain't that bad...better hope your soccer washer dont throw his toys TOTALLY out the pram and   decides his precious ego cant take any more damage ..and pulls  the plug... you never know with these privilaged spoilt brat types. 

[balo]

Who wants to play for City the next 2 seasons? Not many world class players with ambition of playing in Champions League.