webfact Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Lackadaisical approach in tackling pollution unacceptable By The Nation More intensive measures and greater seriousness required to deal with a problem that has become a threat to public health The junta-backed government needs smarter ideas, more than just creating artificial rain or spraying water, while an unhealthy smog has blanketed the capital this week. The actions taken by some of the government agencies over the past few days might be a psychological balm to reassure the people that their government is indeed doing something about this crisis, but their half-measures will not help solve the problem for the long run. Hopefully, Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha will not call for prayers to cleanse the capital’s polluted air like his recent claim that his prayer could save the South from tropical storm Pabuk that lashed the region recently. Tackling the air pollution problem requires a scientific, not whimsical, approach. This is not just a regular winter fog but a deadly cloud of fine dust particles and other air pollutants that could be detrimental to the health of the people. The PM2.5 dust particles are fine enough to be absorbed in the human bloodstream through the lungs. This could cause chronic diseases such as asthma, cancer, heart disease and stroke in the long term if there is an extended exposure to air pollution. The authorities have failed to realise the real danger of air pollution, unlike obvious threats to people such as disasters and diseases that can kill people instantly. The impacts to our health from PM2.5 are more subtle, and because the damage does not become obvious until it starts to take a toll, most people and the authorities are underestimating the deadly threat posed by PM2.5 to people’s health. Dust particles stirred by construction activity and heavy pollution caused by traffic have been trapped in Bangkok’s air since last week. It has blanketed many areas, reducing visibility for commuters and inducing breathing difficulties for a lot of people, most notably those who work in the open air such as construction workers and street vendors. Nearly a week since the PM2.5 level in Bangkok rose significantly and forming a thick layer of smog over the city, the air in Bangkok early this week remained severely polluted. According to the PM2.5 air quality index measured by an international air-quality monitoring website, it was as high as 396 in the capital’s Bang Khen district on Monday. The site forecast that Bangkok would face harmful levels every morning for the rest of the week because there was very little wind. While government agencies in the capital, including the Pollution Control Department and Bangkok Metropolitan Authority, have introduced measures to cope with the problem, the public is demanding more effective methods to deal with the situation. At a personal level, individuals are advised to stay indoors as much as possible, especially the elderly, children and people already ailing; they should regularly monitor the air pollution level; wear an N95 facemask while outside as it filters out most PM2.5 particulates; keep house doors and windows closed at all times; change their clothes and take a shower immediately on returning home from outside; and drink lots of water. However, the government needs to change gears in the measures it takes to tackle the problem. There are plenty of suggestions from scholars and environmentalists for state agencies to clean the air. First of all, Thailand should update safe-air standards in line with World Health Organisation’s recommendations and set the air pollution emission standard for power-plant chimneys. Second, the government should look at the source of the pollution – mostly the transport sector. Promoting the use of clean and renewable fuel in the transportation sector should begin now. The government should also improve public transit with broader access and more extensive coverage in order to reduce the number of private vehicles on the road. The public should also be educated on measures for energy efficiency. People should also do their bit in helping the government by opting to walk or ride bicycles instead of always using vehicles, and they must also switch to electric vehicles. Third, the government should disseminate information efficiently so as to enable people to prepare and cope with the situation. Easy access to a pollution monitoring system is necessary. Interestingly, people in Thailand are mostly relying on a China-based air quality monitoring website instead of Thai agencies, which seem to be more difficult to access. Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/opinion/30362334 -- © Copyright The Nation 2019-01-16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mok199 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 .. the beach in Pattaya each morning It's a constant stench of 2 stroke oli and gas combined with heavy bursts of exhuast from the boats linned from one end to the other..while the smell from the road side is constant diesel exhaust with heavy bursts as old tour buses pass by.it has become umbearable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon4546543 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 IMHO this could be the death blow for this country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebell Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Nothing will get done until it is aired on Facebook &/or Youtube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lungstib Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 What needs to be said is this is not a problem limited to only Bangkok. Chiang Mai, Khon Kaen, Korat and most other large towns are developing under the same lack of rules or understanding that Bangkok did. The shortage of public transport and the growing number of 3 litre diesel engined pick-ups to transport one person to work is happening everywhere. Trucks carry open loads and drive on and off muddy building sites all over the country, a major source of dust in Chiang Mai. Factories release whatever they wish into the air with little chance of being charged. Just fixing Bangkok is not enough, a policy for the whole country is in order and needed starting yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YetAnother Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, webfact said: psychological balm to reassure the people that their government is indeed doing something about this crisis, but their half-measures will not help solve the problem for the long run. either those agencies think these measures are long term, bad, Or they realize they are inadequate and are counting on public apathy and short attention span, worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowboat Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, webfact said: The junta-backed government needs smarter ideas, No, they need to make way for an elected government that has to serve the people or get voted out. "Smart" and "junta" in the same sentence. By now you would think most would have learned the two do not go together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 When this damages tourism then and only then will measures be taken to deal with it. The scale of the problem is such that the countries administrators may need help from elsewhere, and this is not going to be solved overnight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesofa Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 hours ago, webfact said: Hopefully, Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha will not call for prayers to cleanse the capital’s polluted air like his recent claim that his prayer could save the South from tropical storm Pabuk that lashed the region recently. Tackling the air pollution problem requires a scientific, not whimsical, approach. A good bit of piss-taking there with the reference to the PM, while pointing out that reality, not some eccentric approach is needed. Whether that happens is highly unlikely as usual, until it gets to an even more critical level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 37 minutes ago, Oziex1 said: When this damages tourism then and only then will measures be taken to deal with it. The scale of the problem is such that the countries administrators may need help from elsewhere, and this is not going to be solved overnight Plus, this problem is not new to Thailand, IMHO the various agencies responsible to monitor this matter and to forecast dtea / places where will be heavy / very heavy are totally derelict in their duties and should be charged as such. I just listened to a farang engineer familiar with such pollution, he mentioned that there is a multitude of well proven modern monitoring equipment plus well proven weather etc., based software programs which can alert authorities well in advance. Does LOS have any of this? Or it is 'out of order, parts not yet ordered'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moti24 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 hours ago, webfact said: Tackling the air pollution problem requires a scientific, not whimsical, approach. Nothing scientific about it! Start with the vehicles that belch-out black smoke; crush them! Educate the population that it's OK to switch-off the engines when visiting 7/11s and the big stores; I've seen cars with the engine running while the driver goes shopping for an hour, leaving a passenger in the car to keep cool and play with their phone. Stop the local areas from burning rubbish; anything that's available is subject to being burnt, sometimes, black smoke covering the local community like a blanket, not to mention the awful smells. When all that's sorted-out, the government can pat itself on the back for cracking the tip of the iceburg. All that needs to be done then is to come-up with a slogan; how about, "Seven Dangerous Days For Your Health". Of course, the slogan would have to refer to all 52 weeks, and not just when the Bangkokonians complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chippy151 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 hours ago, spiderorchid said: IMHO this could be the death blow for this country The lackadaisical approach to just about everything could be the death blow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPKANKAN Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Lungstib said: What needs to be said is this is not a problem limited to only Bangkok. Chiang Mai, Khon Kaen, Korat and most other large towns are developing under the same lack of rules or understanding that Bangkok did. The shortage of public transport and the growing number of 3 litre diesel engined pick-ups to transport one person to work is happening everywhere. Trucks carry open loads and drive on and off muddy building sites all over the country, a major source of dust in Chiang Mai. Factories release whatever they wish into the air with little chance of being charged. Just fixing Bangkok is not enough, a policy for the whole country is in order and needed starting yesterday. What!! Don't forget that they recently announced that they had hit their emission targets so everything is fine and dandy!!???????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton Rd Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 If they cannot even take real action on plastic bags what chance do they have with air pollution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bundooman Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, Moti24 said: Nothing scientific about it! Start with the vehicles that belch-out black smoke; crush them! Educate the population that it's OK to switch-off the engines when visiting 7/11s and the big stores; I've seen cars with the engine running while the driver goes shopping for an hour, leaving a passenger in the car to keep cool and play with their phone. Stop the local areas from burning rubbish; anything that's available is subject to being burnt, sometimes, black smoke covering the local community like a blanket, not to mention the awful smells. When all that's sorted-out, the government can pat itself on the back for cracking the tip of the iceburg. All that needs to be done then is to come-up with a slogan; how about, "Seven Dangerous Days For Your Health". Of course, the slogan would have to refer to all 52 weeks, and not just when the Bangkokonians complain. Good post - but you also know that in order to achieve all that, first, the police force needs to be sacked and an entirely new force of people brought in who can do the job of a real policeman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Paul Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Apathy and a Thai not my problem attitude is appalling not only in this problem but in so many problems. Thainess the me, me, me attitude stinks and if a law is passed to sort out the problem money changes hands to avoid compliance. About time Thais woke up to the fact that corruption and lack of enforcement at all levels is now starting to have detrimental affect on Thailand as a whole. The people deserve better, but until those that can get affected, I doubt if anything will be done . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 When the Junta "Serious Problem Emergency Checklist" has only seven actions listed: 1) Ignore 2) Cover-up 3) Deny 4) Lie 5) Blame someone else 6) Threaten someone 7) Lie some more At the end of the day.…’lackadaisical’ may be about all that’s left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Croc Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 A Thai answer to smog. Also known as Pissing in the wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moti24 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 36 minutes ago, Bundooman said: Good post - but you also know that in order to achieve all that, first, the police force needs to be sacked and an entirely new force of people brought in who can do the job of a real policeman! Yes! That's a foregone conclusion. That topic has been covered so many times that it's no longer worth mentioning in a post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyL Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I imagine it will be exactly the same as the plastic issue and the obscene road safety issue. Keep quiet and hope everything is forgotten until next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phkauf Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I can only imagine the horror in the governmental circles when the Chinese Tourists start complaining about the air pollution here. That would be classic. Oh and when has the Thai government NOT had a lackadaisical approach to nearly every problem that affects everyday people. They only seem to react when it affects their beloved Chinese Tourists or they sense an opportunity to line their pockets with Tea Money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newnative Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 'Lackadaisical response' is being extremely generous. No response is more like it. Just lots of useless talk--with apparently some prayer thrown in. Only world-wide extremely embarrassing very bad publicity on social media might generate some action. But, probably not and likely nothing meaningful. Nobody in power has the will to make the tough decisions needed to make some long-term progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 A lackadaisical approach to many things is the Thai way... we've been waiting for years to get the road death toll down to minimal figures & that's visible slow death by poisoning is by nature invisible until the autopsy so don't expect anything done soon !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 8 hours ago, mok199 said: .. the beach in Pattaya each morning It's a constant stench of 2 stroke oli and gas combined with heavy bursts of exhuast from the boats linned from one end to the other..while the smell from the road side is constant diesel exhaust with heavy bursts as old tour buses pass by.it has become umbearable... Wait ...what? Haven't you heard? Pattaya is one of the healthiest cities in Thailand, because...Spas and $hit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 6 hours ago, Oziex1 said: When this damages tourism then and only then will measures be taken to deal with it. The scale of the problem is such that the countries administrators may need help from elsewhere, and this is not going to be solved overnight Wrong! Only when tourism is affected, some idiot will go on TV, hold his stupid face into the camera, blubber some nonesense into a microphone, a committee will be put in place ...and 3 weeks later, everything will be forgotten! They just don't get it and never will, they they are sawing off the branch, they are sitting on! And when everything has gone to hell in a handbasket, they will blame it on "farang"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mok199 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, DM07 said: Wait ...what? Haven't you heard? Pattaya is one of the healthiest cities in Thailand, because...Spas and $hit! hahaha ..Yes I do remember that story about a week ago.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 10 hours ago, mok199 said: the beach in Pattaya each morning It's a constant stench of 2 stroke oil Sounds like just the place for my morning stroll. Even 4-stroke exhaust smells different when it has been bubbled through water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 8 hours ago, Moti24 said: Nothing scientific about it! Start with the vehicles that belch-out black smoke; crush them! Educate the population that it's OK to switch-off the engines when visiting 7/11s and the big stores; I've seen cars with the engine running while the driver goes shopping for an hour, leaving a passenger in the car to keep cool and play with their phone. Stop the local areas from burning rubbish; anything that's available is subject to being burnt, sometimes, black smoke covering the local community like a blanket, not to mention the awful smells. Unfortunately, you, the editorial above and a lot of others continue to focus/obsess on the transportation/vehicles element to air pollution here. When in fact, the governnment's own data has shown that AGRICULTURAL BURNING is by far and away the main and largest contributor to PM2.5 air pollution in Thailand -- more than cars/vehicles, industry and power generation all combined. I'm all for cleaner emission cars and buses and such. But not if anyone thinks that that's going to solve the problem unless measures are also taken to stop/curtail agricultural burning. It's pretty hard for anyone/any government to come up with effective solutions to a problem unless they start off with the correct knowledge and information about the source and cause of the problem at hand. And in this case, ignorance and incorrect information isn't helping matters any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moti24 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: Unfortunately, you, the editorial above and a lot of others continue to focus/obsess on the transportation/vehicles element to air pollution here. When in fact, the governnment's own data has shown that AGRICULTURAL BURNING is by far and away the main and largest contributor to PM2.5 air pollution in Thailand -- more than cars/vehicles, industry and power generation all combined. I'm all for cleaner emission cars and buses and such. But not if anyone thinks that that's going to solve the problem unless measures are also taken to stop/curtail agricultural burning. It's pretty hard for anyone/any government to come up with effective solutions to a problem unless they start off with the correct knowledge and information about the source and cause of the problem at hand. And in this case, ignorance and incorrect information isn't helping matters any. I was just commenting on the editorial, bit I did say it was the tip of the iceburg. If you want me to write a full thesis, you'll have to wait; I have better things to do than spend all day on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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