1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

But scapegoating these mostly poor desperate people is another level.

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scapegoating?

just how many poor people should be allowed to break the law and trample on a

nation's sovereignty?

what would satisfy your kind soul?

 

50 million?

 

5 million?

 

how many should get assistance in housing or snap cards or medical care? what should we budget for

this perpetual act of kindness?

 

50 billion?

 

200 billion?

 

why stop there?

 

or just ask congress to fix the loopholes they refuse to fix perhaps?

 

or just blame trump for decades of legislative malpractice and incompetence he has had nothing

to do with.

One thing is for sure- Trump ( or the defacto POTUS- soyboy Jared Kushner ) will have indelibly branded the Republican Party as the anti-immigrant party without making any substantial or lasting change in immigration policy. That is a fact

4 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

the congress has failed to act for decades and your silly bias wants to blame Trump, an astounding lack of common sense.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa- 2020 will be shearing time for the blighted

1 minute ago, isaanjohnno said:

One thing is for sure- Trump ( or the defacto POTUS- soyboy Jared Kushner ) will have indelibly branded the Republican Party as the anti-immigrant party without making any substantial or lasting change in immigration policy. That is a fact

 

What source do you have to back up your claim? You are simply stating your misguided opinion as fact. 

48 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

scapegoating?

just how many poor people should be allowed to break the law and trample on a

nation's sovereignty?

what would satisfy your kind soul?

 

50 million?

 

5 million?

 

how many should get assistance in housing or snap cards or medical care? what should we budget for

this perpetual act of kindness?

 

50 billion?

 

200 billion?

 

why stop there?

 

or just ask congress to fix the loopholes they refuse to fix perhaps?

 

or just blame trump for decades of legislative malpractice and incompetence he has had nothing

to do with.

Yes. 

Scapegoating.

Obviously. 

A classic propaganda tool of authoritarian demagogues throughout the ages.

 

It's sick making that even a minority of Americans (45's base) buys into this kind of toxic hate mongering garbage.

 

Quote

Trump wants to limit immigration. He’s scapegoating immigrants in the process.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/06/26/trump-wants-to-limit-immigration-hes-scapegoating-immigrants-in-the-process/?utm_term=.b62fd351e3a9

43 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

What source do you have to back up your claim? You are simply stating your misguided opinion as fact. 

Well, the socialists at Fox News have released their latest poll and it doesn't show that Trump has popular backing for his immigration policies.

 

"Do you approve or disapprove of President Trump declaring a national emergency on thenation’s southern border as a way to bypass Congress and fund the border wall?Approve Disapprove (Don’t know)17-20 Mar 19 "

                          36%       59%                5%

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-3-24-2019

53 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Well, the socialists at Fox News have released their latest poll and it doesn't show that Trump has popular backing for his immigration policies.

 

"Do you approve or disapprove of President Trump declaring a national emergency on thenation’s southern border as a way to bypass Congress and fund the border wall?Approve Disapprove (Don’t know)17-20 Mar 19 "

                          36%       59%                5%

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-3-24-2019

 

You lost me at socialists at Fox News. You using anything Fox News does when it suits your narrative is the typical insincerity that most of your posts reek of. 

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

 

45 doesn't actually even want to solve these immigration problems. 

His entire game is keeping the rhetoric super hot to keep his never wavering (but perpetual minority) base fired up. 

 

That is just silly. There is no doubt that Trump wants to solve the problem. The issue, as Tucker has pointed out, is that Trump simply isn't politically competent enough. But what options do the Patriotic Americans who voted in to office have? The Democrats and virtually all other Republicans literally want us dead and our country overrun. That is what Trump doesn't get. He thinks he an hire these people who are "respected" by the Establishment and they will do what he wants or at the very least act in the best interest of his country. He just doesn't get what he is up against. Trump thinks what is happening at the border is because Democrats and Establishment Republicans are stupid. He still doesn't seem to understand that everything that is happening right now is by design. Bad laws that are allowing a literal invasion of America are a feature to these people, not a bug. If I were in charge, I not only wouldn't let 75% of the people Trump has welcomed in to his White House anywhere near government, I'd actually have the bulk of them hanged.  

 

The only option people have is try to raise enough of a stink that Trump is shamed in to action. Ann Coulter, Lou Dobbs, and Tucker Carlson are literally America's only hope. 

7 hours ago, isaanjohnno said:

One thing is for sure- Trump ( or the defacto POTUS- soyboy Jared Kushner ) will have indelibly branded the Republican Party as the anti-immigrant party without making any substantial or lasting change in immigration policy. That is a fact

so decades of congressional incompetence never addressing the obvious loopholes are suddenly the fault of people that were never in politics.

great logical conclusion.

 

LEGAL immigration is a good thing, illegal immigration is not, that isn't racist, unless you are a loony liberal 

8 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

Do you ever do anything other than deflect?

I’m not deflecting Cryingdick, I have in the past read with horror and a great deal of genuine sympathy for you in your account of having been persecuted.

 

When I read your vociferous support for the persecution of others on the basis of what and who they are, what and who they are not more, I don’t feel the slightest compulsion to deflect from the point of view you express, rather I find it shocking, something I would like to understand.

 

I am genuinely curious how, on the basis of your own life experiences that you have shared here on TVF, how it is you can support the persecution of others on the basis of what and who they are, what and who they are not?

22 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador said on Thursday that tackling illegal immigration is an issue chiefly for the United States and the Central American countries to address.

 

Ah, so nothing to do with the fact that Mexico is allowing illegal immigrants into Mexico provided their destination is the US?

IMO, Trump has an opportunity to sort a few campaign promises by shutting the border for an extended length of time.

1/ American businesses that depend on Mexico to provide some of their components may feel that it would be better to make such in the US, thus increasing employment in the US for manual workers.

2/ it will disrupt the entry of drugs, criminals and illegals into the US.

3/ he may be able to get Mexico to pay for the wall in return for reopening the border.

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yes. 

Scapegoating.

Obviously. 

A classic propaganda tool of authoritarian demagogues throughout the ages.

 

It's sick making that even a minority of Americans (45's base) buys into this kind of toxic hate mongering garbage.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/06/26/trump-wants-to-limit-immigration-hes-scapegoating-immigrants-in-the-process/?utm_term=.b62fd351e3a9

complete baseless nonsense. 

 

Being against unfettered illegal immigration and the people who allow it is not scapegoating, racist or wrong.

 

wanting to actually control immigration is vital to sovereignty.

 

 

but keep up the moral preening.

 

if the WAPO issues another biased opinion piece  labeled as "Analysis" you can reference that too.

5 hours ago, usviphotography said:

That is what Trump doesn't get. He thinks he an hire these people who are "respected" by the Establishment and they will do what he wants or at the very least act in the best interest of his country. He just doesn't get what he is up against. Trump thinks what is happening at the border is because Democrats and Establishment Republicans are stupid. He still doesn't seem to understand that everything that is happening right now is by design.

Probably true.

The biggest mistake Trump ever made was employing the Trojan Horse Sessions who made the last 2 years of Trump's life a living hell.

As I understand it, Sessions was a an establishment creature to the core.

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not deflecting Cryingdick, I have in the past read with horror and a great deal of genuine sympathy for you in your account of having been persecuted.

 

When I read your vociferous support for the persecution of others on the basis of what and who they are, what and who they are not more, I don’t feel the slightest compulsion to deflect from the point of view you express, rather I find it shocking, something I would like to understand.

 

I am genuinely curious how, on the basis of your own life experiences that you have shared here on TVF, how it is you can support the persecution of others on the basis of what and who they are, what and who they are not?

they are not being persecuted for anything.

 

They are purposely, illegally crossing the border and it should never be tolerated. 

 

it has nothing to do with where they come from, who they are or why they are doing it.

 

what is so difficult to understand?

 

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not deflecting Cryingdick, I have in the past read with horror and a great deal of genuine sympathy for you in your account of having been persecuted.

 

When I read your vociferous support for the persecution of others on the basis of what and who they are, what and who they are not more, I don’t feel the slightest compulsion to deflect from the point of view you express, rather I find it shocking, something I would like to understand.

 

I am genuinely curious how, on the basis of your own life experiences that you have shared here on TVF, how it is you can support the persecution of others on the basis of what and who they are, what and who they are not?

 

I may reply to this later when I have more time.

Just now, Cryingdick said:

 

I may reply to this later when I have more time.

Thank you for considering my question.

 

I assure you my interest is genuine and not an attempt to deflect from any of the points you raised.

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Thank you for considering my question.

 

I assure you my interest is genuine and not an attempt to deflect from any of the points you raised.

 

That's fair enough and a nice change in tone from what is usually said around here. So thanks for keeping it civil.

If Donald does close the border it will rank rite up there with his shutdown another major blunder costing billions and many jobs

41 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Don't worry about it. 

Just more empty threats that he will act like never happened in a day or two, and the party that he now owns, and his loyal fans will never hold him accountable for. 

Although he does play a dictator on reality t.v., he doesn't actually have the power to literally close the border.

People need to IGNORE him more. 

As I said before it's just a ploy to fire up his base that doesn't actually expect real things from him but feeds on the hateful drama.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2018/12/28/press-should-stop-playing-along-with-trumps-threat-close-border/

 

 

so, you have magical powers that see inside heads and hearts of over 60 million people?

 

 

or is it just another liberal pseudo intellectual assumption based on an unfounded moral 

superiority backed up by nothing other than a failed ideology?

 

 

6 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

 

so, you have magical powers that see inside heads and hearts of over 60 million people?

 

 

or is it just another liberal pseudo intellectual assumption based on an unfounded moral 

superiority backed up by nothing other than a failed ideology?

 

 

It's based on my observation of the most unfit American president in history. The man shouldn't be president of a condo board, much less the (maybe not for much longer) most powerful nation on earth. 

 

BTW -- who in their right mind actually BELIEVES he is going to LITERALLY shut down the southern border? He can't. He won't. Shutting down the border means shutting down access to legal crossers. It's a total B.S. threat. As I said, such bombastic empty threats need to be IGNORED. Like you'd ignore a toddler having a tantrum. 

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It's based on my observation of the most unfit American president in history. The man shouldn't be president of a condo board, much less the (maybe not for much longer) most powerful nation on earth. 

 

BTW -- who in their right mind actually BELIEVES he is going to LITERALLY shut down the southern border? He can't. He won't. Shutting down the border means shutting down access to legal crossers. It's a total B.S. threat. As I said, such bombastic empty threats need to be IGNORED. Like you'd ignore a toddler having a tantrum. 

so your observation is just an opinion of a seriously biased irrationally triggered person.

 

just so we are clear on what this is

11 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

so your observation is just an opinion of a seriously biased irrationally triggered person.

 

just so we are clear on what this is

We? No.

 

I'm not buying into your "trump" fan rhetoric so don't even bother pushing that bubble down my throat. You speak for you. That's legit. You do NOT speak for me. 

 

Back to topic -- I would like to ask you to honestly answer this question.

We hear the threat.

A meaningful threat means that the person saying the threat might actually go through with it.

Do you actually honestly think that 45 will LITERALLY close the border? Literally close all legal border entry points? Literally ban all legal crossers, including of course massive numbers of cargo trucks, American and Mexican citizens?

I don't. That's why I say the rational thing is to ignore threats that clearly will never be carried out. 

He is the president.

Sometimes he needs to be taken seriously.

Unfortunately, but true. 

But when he's clearly spewing bombastic threats that clearly will never happen, he totally deserves to be ignored.

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

 

I don't. That's why I say the rational thing is to ignore threats that clearly will never be carried out.

 

You're catching on!

24 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

We? No.

 

I'm not buying into your "trump" fan rhetoric so don't even bother pushing that bubble down my throat. You speak for you. That's legit. You do NOT speak for me. 

 

Back to topic -- I would like to ask you to honestly answer this question.

We hear the threat.

A meaningful threat means that the person saying the threat might actually go through with it.

Do you actually honestly think that 45 will LITERALLY close the border? Literally close all legal border entry points? Literally ban all legal crossers, including of course massive numbers of cargo trucks, American and Mexican citizens?

I don't. That's why I say the rational thing is to ignore threats that clearly will never be carried out. 

He is the president.

Sometimes he needs to be taken seriously.

Unfortunately, but true. 

But when he's clearly spewing bombastic threats that clearly will never happen, he totally deserves to be ignored.

I think he should immediately hit all wire transfers to mexico with a 10 percent charge just to start with, then if

needed start closing border crossings for a few days to get the mexican govt to actually police their border. then raise the remittance

charges again if they don't show any actual interest in their responsibilities.

 

time for serious measures for serious problems..

 

we know congress will continue to do nothing to actually fix the issues.

 

god forbid someone takes the problem seriously, unless you think there is no problem of course.

 

If he does do something like it, you will chastise, if he doesn't, you'll chastise and continue the 

rhetoric.

 

 

But he won't literally shut the border. That is obvious to all.

 

 

Why threat what you won't ever do?

 

Eventually you get a boy who cried wolf too many times.

 

We're there.

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8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

But he won't literally shut the border. That is obvious to all.

 

 

Why threat what you won't ever do?

 

Eventually you get a boy who cried wolf too many times.

 

We're there.

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He does it because he can count on an over the top reaction and when he gets it he can say "see, I told you they were horrible". Then he moves on to the next chaotic fiasco. 

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Johnson, Nixon and Reagan as well as Bush has shut down the border. So, why can't Trump do it as a response to a National Emergency?

On 3/30/2019 at 6:31 AM, Tug said:

That will cost business and consumers a lot of money another fiasco due to Donald’s inability to negotiate 

Trump derangement got hold of you

Trump derangement got hold of you

More like a realistic assessment.

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