Brexit deadlocked again: British parliament fails to find an alternative

[Nigel Garvie]

   10 hours ago,  malagateddy said: 

Remain stronger in an autocratic..corrupt..fascist..undemocratic..failing shambles of an organisation!!!

 

Entertaining as I sometimes find your rants to be malagateddy, it is pretty pointless firing of salvoes of words at random. You really should look up the meaning of the word fascist for a start.

[malagateddy]

She needs taken away by the white cost squad and sectioned under the mental health act imo

May is employing a very simple tactic that the Chinese have employed for years - death by a thousand cuts.

She hopes that by continually pushing her divorce deal through Parliament over and over again,
eventually everyone will tire and for the sake of just getting it over with, will approve her deal.

Nothing more to it.

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[malagateddy]

Auticratic..corrupt..liars..near like despots ..quite similar to old adolf is it not

   10 hours ago,  malagateddy said: 
Remain stronger in an autocratic..corrupt..fascist..undemocratic..failing shambles of an organisation!!!
 
Entertaining as I sometimes find your rants to be malagateddy, it is pretty pointless firing of salvoes of words at random. You really should look up the meaning of the word fascist for a start.

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[beautifulthailand99]

52 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Auticratic..corrupt..liars..near like despots ..quite similar to old adolf is it not

 

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[beautifulthailand99]

Calling all Brexiteers - staunch Brexiteer Peter Oborne has run for the liferafts....pretty much sums up the truth from your side - read, digest and inwardly reflect before starting again with your empty slogans and mindless rhetoric. 

It’s nearly three years since I, along with 17. 4 million other Britons, voted for Brexit. Today I have to admit that the Brexit project has gone sour.

Brexit has paralysed the system. It has turned Britain into a laughing stock. And it is certain to make us poorer and to lead to lower incomes and lost jobs.

We Brexiteers would be wise to acknowledge all this. It’s past time we did. We need to acknowledge, too, that that we will never be forgiven if and when Brexit goes wrong. Future generations will look back at what we did and damn us. So I argue, as a Brexiteer, that we need to take a long deep breath. We need to swallow our pride, and think again. Maybe it means rethinking the Brexit decision altogether.

 

It has become clear to me, though I’ve been a strong Tory Brexiteer, that Britain’s departure from the EU will be as great a disaster for our country as the over-mighty unions were in the 1960s and 1970s.

 

 

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/i-was-strong-brexiteer-now-we-must-swallow-our-pride-and-think-again/?fbclid=IwAR0Tykk8azetGXU_aa4CYJILF4BSlnvah91kr3UBI_Crg5pi8FmYauH4CYc

[malagateddy]

Well now...many many BREXITEERS including myself can't wait to get to that special place in hell promised to us by some eastern eu nonentity..think it was mr vodca from pole-land??

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[beautifulthailand99]

1 minute ago, malagateddy said:

Well now...many many BREXITEERS including myself can't wait to get to that special place in hell promised to us by some eastern eu nonentity..think it was mr vodca from pole-land??

 

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Read the article above......

[StreetCowboy]

On the bright side, it may be a relatively slow decline, and some of us may not live to see the worst of it

[Jip99]

Just now, StreetCowboy said:

On the bright side, it may be a relatively slow decline, and some of us may not live to see the worst of it

 

I hope you don't.... ????

[StreetCowboy]

24 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

I hope you don't.... ????

I’m sure that was meant with the kindest intentions, but I can see how it might be misconstrued

[NanLaew]

2 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Calling all Brexiteers - staunch Brexiteer Peter Oborne has run for the liferafts....pretty much sums up the truth from your side - read, digest and inwardly reflect before starting again with your empty slogans and mindless rhetoric. 

It’s nearly three years since I, along with 17. 4 million other Britons, voted for Brexit. Today I have to admit that the Brexit project has gone sour.

Brexit has paralysed the system. It has turned Britain into a laughing stock. And it is certain to make us poorer and to lead to lower incomes and lost jobs.

We Brexiteers would be wise to acknowledge all this. It’s past time we did. We need to acknowledge, too, that that we will never be forgiven if and when Brexit goes wrong. Future generations will look back at what we did and damn us. So I argue, as a Brexiteer, that we need to take a long deep breath. We need to swallow our pride, and think again. Maybe it means rethinking the Brexit decision altogether.

 

It has become clear to me, though I’ve been a strong Tory Brexiteer, that Britain’s departure from the EU will be as great a disaster for our country as the over-mighty unions were in the 1960s and 1970s.

 

 

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/i-was-strong-brexiteer-now-we-must-swallow-our-pride-and-think-again/?fbclid=IwAR0Tykk8azetGXU_aa4CYJILF4BSlnvah91kr3UBI_Crg5pi8FmYauH4CYc

Leave does means leave though, sorry about that.

[StreetCowboy]

6 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Leave does means leave though, sorry about that.

Cutting your nose off to spite your face means cutting your nose off, though a lot of people don’t mean it literally

[beautifulthailand99]

21 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Leave does means leave though, sorry about that.

So that's that then a very well argued article from one of your side that has changed his mind WHEN THE FACTS CHANGED. Good job you and the army of internet warriors aren't driving this car. As you were ....here's something to keep you happy whilst the adults get on with cleaning the mess up !

 

[Basil B]

[damascase]

[aright]

3 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Leave does means leave though, sorry about that.

I agree but it doesn't hold true in Glee and Gloat City apparently!

[wilcopops]

As brexit falters and stutters into its inevitable crash landing, it is going to be interesting to see how far Brexiteers will stray from the already damaged democratic path to wreak revenge on those who have foiled their ultra rightwing coup.

 

[Laughing Gravy]

14 minutes ago, wilcopops said:

As brexit falters and stutters into its inevitable crash landing, it is going to be interesting to see how far Brexiteers will stray from the already damaged democratic path to wreak revenge on those who have foiled their ultra rightwing coup.

 

Please explain the already damaged 'democratic path'. The democratic path as to leave the EU it is the remainers that have caused this. Wanting to leave the EU is not right wing by the way and is just a term that the media and others use, when they disagree with you  in politics.

[wilcopops]

4 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Please explain the already damaged 'democratic path'. The democratic path as to leave the EU it is the remainers that have caused this. Wanting to leave the EU is not right wing by the way and is just a term that the media and others use, when they disagree with you  in politics.

QED - starts with denial.

Like most rightwing or despotic causes it preys on gullibility and ignorance and then use of stereotypes as scapegoats....

[Laughing Gravy]

7 minutes ago, wilcopops said:

QED - starts with denial.

Like most rightwing or despotic causes it preys on gullibility and ignorance and then use of stereotypes as scapegoats....

Again what makes leaving the EU right wing.

[malagateddy]

Ultra right wing coup..please.
You do mean 17.4 million people who legally voted LEAVE for many many reasons to LEAVE the corrupt autocratic fascist like eu!!!!!

As brexit falters and stutters into its inevitable crash landing, it is going to be interesting to see how far Brexiteers will stray from the already damaged democratic path to wreak revenge on those who have foiled their ultra rightwing coup.
 

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[Laughing Gravy]

At least not all journalists are not all scared to say it as it is. A must read for all remainers IMHO

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/no-deal-is-the-real-deal-a-passport-to-freedom-j0hjk936d

 

No-deal is the real deal, a passport to freedom

Melanie Phillips

Soft Brexit is a delusion as we can’t be an independent nation if the EU has any control over us.

Despite Theresa May’s attempt in her weekend video to present a more human face, most have probably given up trying to explain her extraordinary inability to process information contradicting her chosen position.

Her behaviour, however, is not the only puzzle in this Brexit crisis. It seems to be an article of faith among most MPs that Britain cannot leave the EU with no deal. This is presented as an unthinkable disaster which cannot be allowed to happen.

 

The question is why. For it has become clear that the apocalyptic no-deal scenarios have been much exaggerated. The French government has launched a “smart” customs border at Calais to enable goods to keep flowing. Legislative measures have been taken to ease traffic at British ports.

A civil servant at the heart of no-deal preparations, writing anonymously, has described multiple contingency measures and bilateral arrangements to protect financial services, essential trade, transport and so on, and concludes: “There is nothing whatsoever to fear from leaving the EU without an agreement and reverting to WTO rules.”

 

The leaked end-of-the-world warning by the cabinet secretary, Sir Mark Sedwill, that leaving with no deal would create recession (as well as cripple national security and the judicial system and lead to direct rule in Northern Ireland) was described by the former Brexit secretary David Davis as ridiculous.

 

Following the Brexit vote, after all, it was predicted that jobs would be lost and the economy would go into free fall. Yet the economy is holding up and the unemployment rate is the lowest for 44 years.

For sure, some companies have said they will be leaving Britain; but several of these, such as Nissan or Dyson, insist this decision has little or nothing to do with Brexit.

 

Lord King of Lothbury, the former Bank of England governor who wants to leave with no deal after a six-month delay to avoid a “short-run dislocation cost”, says the predictions of economic ill effects from no deal have been a “scare story” and it’s not obvious that any jobs would be lost overall.

 

Even the present governor, Mark Carney, who appears to blow one way then the other over Brexit, has said the country’s borders and banks are increasingly well prepared for no deal, softening the blow to growth and avoiding the worst of any potential chaos.

The reasonable conclusion should surely be that, while problems are inevitable, the country can weather leaving without a deal and that whatever the short-term difficulties, these are outweighed by the greater good. So why is it instead unthinkable?

The answer is surely that no-deal is the real deal. It’s the only way in which the UK really will free itself from the EU — the outcome that Remainer MPs believe reverses the laws of nature and must be stopped.

 

These MPs claim their alternative proposals are compromises for a “sensible” Brexit. Mrs May seems sincerely to believe likewise that Brexit would be delivered by her deal. These are all feints and delusions. For the UK cannot be independent of the EU while remaining to any extent under its control, as entailed by all these scenarios.

Now it seems likely that Brexit will be kicked into the long grass of a protracted delay. Among the public, the fury at this whole debacle is hard to exaggerate. There’s also a deep feeling of grief that something of infinite value is about to be lost.

For people didn’t vote for Brexit through racism or imbecility or a fantasy of returning to some mythical past. It was simply their wish to govern themselves solely through laws and policies passed by their own democratically elected parliament.

This yearning is embedded in Britain’s identity as an island nation for whose independence its people have fought and died over centuries. A nation that gave the world parliamentary democracy and political liberty precisely because being an independent and free people was written into its history over a thousand years.

In the 17th century, parliament pitted itself against the monarchy to liberate the people from political serfdom under an autocratic crown. To the anguish of many, parliament is now tearing up its own rules and constitutional conventions to repudiate the core concept of democracy: that sovereignty ultimately lies with the people.

Aware of the fury, some Remainers protest that they are just as patriotic as any Brexiteer. Well, people love different ideas of what their country is. But, by definition, Remainers don’t love it as an independent nation.

 

What many seem to love instead is a country they assumed had repudiated the very idea of an independent nation. This viewpoint, associated with profound cultural demoralisation, has broadly been the orthodoxy of our political and intellectual classes for more than half a century.

 

The referendum was the first time that the people were able to reject that orthodoxy. A flame was lit that day, and some of us dared hope that there was at least a chance that Britain would restore its sense of purpose as a beacon of freedom and independence.

 

As MPs prepare their final onslaught against the law under which the UK is due to leave the EU this Friday — a law they themselves passed — we are watching that flame gutter and die. And for many of us, that is just unbearable.

 

[wilcopops]

4 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

we are watching that flame gutter and die. And for many of us, that is just unbearable.

As I said it will be interesting to see what these people will do to after their unconstitutional and undemocratic 3 year rampage is finally put to rest.

Democracy will win and those who have sought to pervert it will not be happy.....

[wilcopops]

1 hour ago, malagateddy said:

Ultra right wing coup..please.
You do mean 17.4 million people who legally voted LEAVE for many many reasons to LEAVE the corrupt autocratic fascist like eu!!!!!

 

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Absolutely, and those with the slightest knowledge of history and how the ultra right seeks to gain power will recognise all the signs are there.....which just leaves the gullible and the greedy.

[Laughing Gravy]

2 minutes ago, wilcopops said:

As I said it will be interesting to see what these people will do to after their unconstitutional and undemocratic 3 year rampage is finally put to rest.

Democracy will win and those who have sought to pervert it will not be happy.....

So again what makes leavers right wing.

 

Undemocratic rampage you must be on the sauce. A democratic referendum and a democratic General Election in 2017. You must be smashed or thinking of another country.

[wilcopops]

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Please explain the already damaged 'democratic path'. The democratic path as to leave the EU it is the remainers that have caused this. Wanting to leave the EU is not right wing by the way and is just a term that the media and others use, when they disagree with you  in politics.

If you want to understand how Brexitism has damaged democracy, read this.....

 

https://www.hansardsociety.org.uk/publications/reports/audit-of-political-engagement-16

[Laughing Gravy]

Just now, wilcopops said:

If you want to understand how Brexitism has damaged democracy, read this.....

 

https://www.hansardsociety.org.uk/publications/reports/audit-of-political-engagement-16

So for the 3rd time what is right wing about wanting to leave the EU and be unshackled from the protectionist EU.

 

By the way democracy is about having a choice and then when those supposedly serving the people enact upon it. Not only about opinions. We all have opinions. It is about being allowed an opinion.

 

I await your reply on right wing or you will not get my reply again.

[dick dasterdly]

19 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

So again what makes leavers right wing.

 

Undemocratic rampage you must be on the sauce. A democratic referendum and a democratic General Election in 2017. You must be smashed or thinking of another country.

"So again what makes leavers right wing."

 

Precisely.  I am very left wing!  Which is why I 'switch off'  when posters incorrectly label the people with whom they disagree - or simply don't like....

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Again what makes leaving the EU right wing.

The claim serves to mask the fact that they're desperately scrutinizing VAR in order to over-rule the ref.

[Loiner]

Absolutely, and those with the slightest knowledge of history and how the ultra right seeks to gain power will recognise all the signs are there.....which just leaves the gullible and the greedy.

It’s not ultra right wing to Leave the EU though, is it?