UK parliament very likely to consider new Brexit referendum - Hammond

[RuamRudy]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

I am English...Never heard of the terms but just looked them up...Still none the wiser though..

 

I am not too sure about onesies, but spoonies is an affectionate name for a chain of pubs owned by this loyal brexiteer.

 

Profits in his bars fell almost 20% in H2 2018, clearly demonstrating that the forecast of a negative effect from Brexit was only down to Project Fear. 

 

[transam]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

I am not too sure about onesies, but spoonies is an affectionate name for a chain of pubs owned by this loyal brexiteer.

 

Profits in his bars fell almost 20% in H2 2018, clearly demonstrating that the forecast of a negative effect from Brexit was only down to Project Fear. 

 

But perhaps it was to do with not importing beer from countries that lambasted the UK....Who knows....Perhaps it was a smokers exit as they cannot puff....Who knows....????

[sandyf]

22 hours ago, malagateddy said:

Easy now Loiner..many Scots like me are Unionists and Royalists

 

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Yes, with razor blades in the lapels, dressed to kill took on a whole new meaning.

Not life as we know it Jim.

[sandyf]

20 hours ago, Loiner said:

They can save Flower O’Scotland for Murrayfield.

The song was written Roy Williamson who lived in my home town the years prior to his death, a sleepy hollow in the north east. There was a Polish camp in the town and many remained after the war and I went to school with the offspring, no different to anyone else. Brexit has highlighted the bigotry south of the border where Poles are seen as little more than vermin. 

The Union is broken and only the delusional can ever think the damage will be repaired.

 

"Those days are past now, And in the past they must remain,
But we can still rise now, And be the (Independent) nation again,"

 

After all isn't that what leavers want.

[Kieran00001]

1 hour ago, transam said:

That is total rolox.....Folk who voted to leave voted because of what they saw happening on their STREETS....How the gov of the day (remainers) have acted is the PROBLEM....

 

You are not making the slightest bit of sense.

[transam]

1 hour ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

You are not making the slightest bit of sense.

In your case that is comforting...????

[nontabury]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

The song was written Roy Williamson who lived in my home town the years prior to his death, a sleepy hollow in the north east. There was a Polish camp in the town and many remained after the war and I went to school with the offspring, no different to anyone else. Brexit has highlighted the bigotry south of the border where Poles are seen as little more than vermin. 

The Union is broken and only the delusional can ever think the damage will be repaired.

 

"Those days are past now, And in the past they must remain,
But we can still rise now, And be the (Independent) nation again,"

 

After all isn't that what leavers want.

 

Where in heaven do you get these ideas from. Poles as vermin’s, your crazy,I well remember on Question Time on the Brussels Broadcasting Corporation just before the people’s Democratic referendum in 2016, from Boston. One member of the audience putting the point forward that the immigration of cheap E.u Labour was to the disadvantage of the ordinary working man,and that it should be restricted to the needs of the British economy. And that lady was The offspring of Poles.

 Similarly I remember as a RAF boy entrant, a member of our flight was again from Polish heritage, called Pinkoski, from your area of the country.

And he certainly was’t discriminated against, in fact he was one of the most popular guys.

  At the moment I’m living in a block of flats, 9 in total, 2 flats inhabited by Poles, no problems, although they are amazed that we allow so many into the country, especially the criminal element.

 What Brexiteers want is controlled immigration, from anywhere in the world, as long as it benefits the British economy.

Edited April 17, 2019 by nontabury

[billd766]

3 hours ago, sandyf said:

Yes, with razor blades in the lapels, dressed to kill took on a whole new meaning.

Not life as we know it Jim.

You forgot about the bicycle chain, drape jacket, drainpipe trousers and brothel creepers.

[Loiner]

Your mate claims its true england and you love england...seems logical..maybe nontabury was drunk when he made the claim...iam sure he will post a reply soon

More likely you were drunk when you made your post. Your logic is illogical.
Nontaburi may or may not post a reply to where I should move from, but he could also leave you in blissful ignorance.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

You forgot about the bicycle chain, drape jacket, drainpipe trousers and brothel creepers.

Alex Harvey! My hero.

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Complete nonsense because impossible in practice.

 

So, if parliament really wants a specific way, they can just use their constitutional powers to do so — something that is possible in practice.  

 

Far from impossible, it happened twice in Ireland and once in Denmark. Even the French rejected the EU constitution with a 55% NO but were then bypassed completely when that was thrown back up as the Lisbon Treaty. All par for the totally democratic EU, of course. 

[malagateddy]

Yes, with razor blades in the lapels, dressed to kill took on a whole new meaning.
Not life as we know it Jim.

Imo..after your rather stupid and ignorant utterance..I think it's time to phone the " white coat squad " re paying you a visit re mental assessment..but wait..I forgot..you're just another remoaner

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[welovesundaysatspace]

7 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Far from impossible, it happened twice in Ireland and once in Denmark.

It happened nowhere because it is practically impossible. The outcome of a referendum is by its very nature what the people want, not what the parliament/government wants. So it’s practically impossible for parliament/government to use a referendum to achieve a desired outcome. For that they are better off using their regular powers as parliament/government. 

 

7 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Even the French rejected the EU constitution with a 55% NO but were then bypassed completely when that was thrown back up as the Lisbon Treaty.

First, they were not bypassed. The EU constitution was never ratified (because of the French and others’ no votes). Secondly, what you describe is not was the OP claimed (that a government uses referendums to achieve a desired outcome). 

 

 

[malagateddy]

The song was written Roy Williamson who lived in my home town the years prior to his death, a sleepy hollow in the north east. There was a Polish camp in the town and many remained after the war and I went to school with the offspring, no different to anyone else. Brexit has highlighted the bigotry south of the border where Poles are seen as little more than vermin. 
The Union is broken and only the delusional can ever think the damage will be repaired.
 
"Those days are past now, And in the past they must remain,
But we can still rise now, And be the (Independent) nation again,"
 
After all isn't that what leavers want.

Yip..rise all you want..everyone's entitled to get outa their kip at some point daily

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[malagateddy]

Transam makes plenty sense..

 
You are not making the slightest bit of sense.

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[sandyf]

22 hours ago, nontabury said:

Where in heaven do you get these ideas from. Poles as vermin’s, your crazy,

Wrong again, it was the anti immigrant campaign rhetoric that was crazy.

 

Laminated cards were left outside primary schools and posted through letterboxes of Polish people in Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire, with the words ‘Leave the EU/No more Polish vermin’ in English and Polish (Cambridge News, June 25, 2016). 

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1369183X.2018.1451308

[sandyf]

21 hours ago, billd766 said:

You forgot about the bicycle chain, drape jacket, drainpipe trousers and brothel creepers.

Quite Bill, but the point was aimed at Glasgow and the gang culture, not quite the same as the Scotland I grew up in.

[evadgib]

30 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Wrong again, it was the anti immigrant campaign rhetoric that was crazy.

 

Laminated cards were left outside primary schools and posted through letterboxes of Polish people in Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire, with the words ‘Leave the EU/No more Polish vermin’ in English and Polish (Cambridge News, June 25, 2016). 

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1369183X.2018.1451308

- Polish surnames were in every street and classroom as a direct result of WW2 and it's immediate aftermath as you yourself have acknowledged &

 

- The default position for posters on this website is that they were in Thailand long before 2016 which, coupled with the above, renders them highly unlikely to have in any way been in a position to support or endorse such appalling behaviour.

Edited April 18, 2019 by evadgib

[billd766]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Quite Bill, but the point was aimed at Glasgow and the gang culture, not quite the same as the Scotland I grew up in.

There were quite a few Teddy Boys down in Poole where I used to live but they kept mostly to themselves and the general public were not bothered.

[nauseus]

21 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

It happened nowhere because it is practically impossible. The outcome of a referendum is by its very nature what the people want, not what the parliament/government wants. So it’s practically impossible for parliament/government to use a referendum to achieve a desired outcome. For that they are better off using their regular powers as parliament/government. 

 

First, they were not bypassed. The EU constitution was never ratified (because of the French and others’ no votes). Secondly, what you describe is not was the OP claimed (that a government uses referendums to achieve a desired outcome). 

 

 

The UK Parliament voted to give the EU leave/stay decision over to the people, so I assume they must have wanted to do that. The government should now do what the people want - nothing impossible there.

 

The French were not allowed a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty after their rejection of the "Constitution". The Lisbon Treaty is essentially a rehash of the "Constitution". 

 

 

 

  

[sandyf]

16 hours ago, evadgib said:

- Polish surnames were in every street and classroom as a direct result of WW2 and it's immediate aftermath as you yourself have acknowledged &

 

- The default position for posters on this website is that they were in Thailand long before 2016 which, coupled with the above, renders them highly unlikely to have in any way been in a position to support or endorse such appalling behaviour.

So you believe the poster was quite justified in making this statement,

"Where in heaven do you get these ideas from. Poles as vermin’s, your crazy,"

 

Support or endorsement is irrelevant, trying to deny something took place is something else.

[sandyf]

15 hours ago, billd766 said:

There were quite a few Teddy Boys down in Poole where I used to live but they kept mostly to themselves and the general public were not bothered.

Unfortunately that was not the case in Scotland, North Sea oil created a migration that affected the whole of the north east resulting in division in what was peaceful and unified communities.

In a large part of Scotland the immigrants were home grown.

[evadgib]

This letter from Mr Spock to the AG makes interesting reading, particularly to any remainers that haven't seen it.

[dick dasterdly]

18 hours ago, nauseus said:

The UK Parliament voted to give the EU leave/stay decision over to the people, so I assume they must have wanted to do that. The government should now do what the people want - nothing impossible there.

 

The French were not allowed a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty after their rejection of the "Constitution". The Lisbon Treaty is essentially a rehash of the "Constitution". 

 

 

 

  

We all know that the only reason the govt. endorsed a referendum is because they believed 'remain' would win, and the issue was tearing their party apart as voters moved to ukip.

 

They got it very wrong, which is why they didn't even bother preparing for a 'leave' result - and they were the only people in a position to do so.

[sandyf]

20 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

We all know that the only reason the govt. endorsed a referendum is because they believed 'remain' would win, and the issue was tearing their party apart as voters moved to ukip.

 

They got it very wrong, which is why they didn't even bother preparing for a 'leave' result - and they were the only people in a position to do so.

No dispute there, they just didn't think it through.

They were warned prior to the referendum bill of the potential problems with NI, but the idea of trouble flaring up, along with other issues, were just dismissed out of hand.

 

Everyone is now paying the price for the lack of thought over the referendum, some a lot more than others.

[Loiner]

No dispute there, they just didn't think it through.
They were warned prior to the referendum bill of the potential problems with NI, but the idea of trouble flaring up, along with other issues, were just dismissed out of hand.
 
Everyone is now paying the price for the lack of thought over the referendum, some a lot more than others.

We are all paying the price of our democracy being overruled by fifth columnist and a foreign power in the EU. That cost will continue for a very long time, unless we stop it now.

[Chomper Higgot]

On 4/18/2019 at 4:15 PM, evadgib said:

- Polish surnames were in every street and classroom as a direct result of WW2 and it's immediate aftermath as you yourself have acknowledged &

 

- The default position for posters on this website is that they were in Thailand long before 2016 which, coupled with the above, renders them highly unlikely to have in any way been in a position to support or endorse such appalling behaviour.

None of which negates the fact that racism and xenophobia were central parts of the Leave campaign.

 

The Leave campaign was widely criticised for the use of racism and xenophobia, far from not endorsing the ‘appalling behaviour’ there are Brexit supporters on this forum (But by no means all) who frequently make racist and xenophobic remarks.

 

I very rarely see those remarks challenged by Brexit supporting members.

...

 

I’m not at all sure on what basis you claim ‘the default position...’ is, or why it’s even relevant.

[Chomper Higgot]

On 4/19/2019 at 11:21 AM, evadgib said:

This letter from Mr Spock to the AG makes interesting reading, particularly to any remainers that haven't seen it.

Redwood’s letter is referring to the Brexit deal (there is only one Brexit deal).

 

None of the points raised by Redwood are at odds with ‘Remain’ predictions of the kind of mess Brexit would become, you’ll find those predictions filed under ‘Project Fear’.

 

Brexit mess belongs to those who voted for it, nothing to do with Remain.

[Chomper Higgot]

7 hours ago, Loiner said:

We are all paying the price of our democracy being overruled by fifth columnist and a foreign power in the EU. That cost will continue for a very long time, unless we stop it now.

Find out who funded Brexit Leave and associated online campaigns and you’ll find that ‘fifth column’ of yours.

[nontabury]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

None of which negates the fact that racism and xenophobia were central parts of the Leave campaign.

 

The Leave campaign was widely criticised for the use of racism and xenophobia, far from not endorsing the ‘appalling behaviour’ there are Brexit supporters on this forum (But by no means all) who frequently make racist and xenophobic remarks.

 

I very rarely see those remarks challenged by Brexit supporting members.

...

 

I’m not at all sure on what basis you claim ‘the default position...’ is, or why it’s even relevant.

Very strange, I have been on these Brexit threads from before the people’s referendum of 2016. And the only racist remarks have come from some remainers, when they state, that if we do stop E.u citizens from gaining employment in the U.K. then we would have to make the numbers up by increasing  immigration of people from south of the Mediterranean, mainly blacks and Muslims. 

 

 Here we have a poster of prominent Brexit candidates for the upcoming E.u. Elections.