Do you believe in God and why

[KhunLA]

10 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Actually, it fits right in.  God is all about creation.  And this is about creation as well.  Individual creation.  Our creations.  The God within us.  But I won't bore you with it any further. 

Praise Jesus

[Tippaporn]

44 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Praise Jesus

 

Edited September 29, 2022 by Tippaporn

[Tippaporn]

There's been a lot of ideas thrown around on this thread.  Most make no sense to me (though I understand the logic behind the ideas).  This statement does not trash other folks as to the ideas they hold or what they personally believe.  I better make that clear.  I'm only saying that most of the ideas don't make sense to me.  No different than my ideas not making sense to others.

 

Now I've done a lot of searching, same as everyone else, and the only thing I've found that does make sense is The Physical Universe As Idea Construction.  For once I could wrap my brain around that concept, which didn't take long, so much of our mysterious life is explained.  Once this concept is understood one is able to understand where so many beliefs come from.  And best yet, once this concept is understood then so many of the fallacies of other ideas become as plain as the nose on one's face.  Again, this is how it works for me.

I've given a good example of the use of beliefs and thoughts in how they are the source of depression.  Someone just sent me this meme which crystalises how beliefs and thoughts operate and their use in actual action in our world.  And in this case it highlights beliefs which contradict each other.  Yet still any holder of these beliefs goes from one to it's opposite without so much as feeling the slightest bump in the road.  They are quite blind to their own contradictions.

Maybe I'm the only one who can see it, maybe not.  I'll post it and I guess I'll find out.  Well, I can say that if no other then at least the artist can see what I'm seeing.
 

 

Edited September 29, 2022 by Tippaporn

[Hummin]

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

There's been a lot of ideas thrown around on this thread.  Most make no sense to me (though I understand the logic behind the ideas).  This statement does not trash other folks as to the ideas they hold or what they personally believe.  I better make that clear.  I'm only saying that most of the ideas don't make sense to me.  No different than my ideas not making sense to others.

 

Now I've done a lot of searching, same as everyone else, and the only thing I've found that does make sense is The Physical Universe As Idea Construction.  For once I could wrap my brain around that concept, which didn't take long, so much of our mysterious life is explained.  Once this concept is understood one is able to understand where so many beliefs come from.  And best yet, once this concept is understood then so many of the fallacies of other ideas become as plain as the nose on one's face.  Again, this is how it works for me.

I've given a good example of the use of beliefs and thoughts in how they are the source of depression.  Someone just sent me this meme which crystalises how beliefs and thoughts operate and their use in actual action in our world.  And in this case it highlights beliefs which contradict each other.  Yet still any holder of these beliefs goes from one to it's opposite without so much as feeling the slightest bump in the road.  They are quite blind to their own contradictions.

Maybe I'm the only one who can see it, maybe not.  I'll post it and I guess I'll find out.  Well, I can say that if no other then at least the artist can see what I'm seeing.
 

 

Again I have to ask you about our genetics and our genetic memories. Ain't they physical? Depression is not only thoughts but it can release depression if you are vulnerable.

 

Physical life experiences can release severe depression, but I agree, thought processes do play a major role.

 

If a physical universe exists, a physical life in realtime must exists here on planet earth to

[dilsonafig]

I started believing in God relatively recently.

[Tippaporn]

17 hours ago, Hummin said:

Again I have to ask you about our genetics and our genetic memories. Ain't they physical? Depression is not only thoughts but it can release depression if you are vulnerable.

 

Physical life experiences can release severe depression, but I agree, thought processes do play a major role.

 

If a physical universe exists, a physical life in realtime must exists here on planet earth to

Hey Hummin.  I'm down with Covid right now.  I can't say it's 100% certain as the prognosis is from a store bought Covid test.  I don't know enough about them to certify their complete accuracy.  I'm certainly not having any trouble breathing, which is supposed to be one of the symptoms of Covid.  Feels much like a common flu right now.

In any case, in order to give you good answers to your above questions I need to be clear headed enough to organise my thoughts well enough.  And I'm anything but clear headed right now.  I feel as though I've drunk enough beer to make me feel woozy.  Give it a few days then.  Just wanted to let you know I'm not ignoring you.

[thaibeachlovers]

21 hours ago, Hummin said:

Again I have to ask you about our genetics and our genetic memories. Ain't they physical? Depression is not only thoughts but it can release depression if you are vulnerable.

 

Physical life experiences can release severe depression, but I agree, thought processes do play a major role.

 

If a physical universe exists, a physical life in realtime must exists here on planet earth to

Depression IMO has to be caused by chemicals being released in the brain, or anti depressants wouldn't work. As to why they are released, I don't know.

I used to think I was depressed, but anti depressants didn't work on me ( though they did make me impotent ). Took me a long time to work it out, but I'm sad because of what happened in my early childhood that was never resolved. My parents never got over it the rest of their lives either. Unfortunately there are no legal drugs for sadness.

However, back then I doubt psychologists were considered as a solution, and people were left to make the best of it they could ( or not, as the case may be ).

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Hey Hummin.  I'm down with Covid right now.  I can't say it's 100% certain as the prognosis is from a store bought Covid test.  I don't know enough about them to certify their complete accuracy.  I'm certainly not having any trouble breathing, which is supposed to be one of the symptoms of Covid.  Feels much like a common flu right now.

In any case, in order to give you good answers to your above questions I need to be clear headed enough to organise my thoughts well enough.  And I'm anything but clear headed right now.  I feel as though I've drunk enough beer to make me feel woozy.  Give it a few days then.  Just wanted to let you know I'm not ignoring you.

I had covid. No trouble breathing and mainly a bad cough. Lasted about a week, though long covid made me tired for a long time after.

[Hummin]

7 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Hey Hummin.  I'm down with Covid right now.  I can't say it's 100% certain as the prognosis is from a store bought Covid test.  I don't know enough about them to certify their complete accuracy.  I'm certainly not having any trouble breathing, which is supposed to be one of the symptoms of Covid.  Feels much like a common flu right now.

In any case, in order to give you good answers to your above questions I need to be clear headed enough to organise my thoughts well enough.  And I'm anything but clear headed right now.  I feel as though I've drunk enough beer to make me feel woozy.  Give it a few days then.  Just wanted to let you know I'm not ignoring you.

Wish you good and quick recovery ????

[Hummin]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Depression IMO has to be caused by chemicals being released in the brain, or anti depressants wouldn't work. As to why they are released, I don't know.

I used to think I was depressed, but anti depressants didn't work on me ( though they did make me impotent ). Took me a long time to work it out, but I'm sad because of what happened in my early childhood that was never resolved. My parents never got over it the rest of their lives either. Unfortunately there are no legal drugs for sadness.

However, back then I doubt psychologists were considered as a solution, and people were left to make the best of it they could ( or not, as the case may be ).

When it comes to medication for severe depression I really do not know, and to be true with you, I do not trust the science behind it, and neither trust psychiatrists. I was offered medication as only option, and said thank but no thank you and came true it myself.

 

However I have good faith in brain science how repetitive thought processes can work and I succeeded by doing it and now my thought processes happening by itself when I meet negative thoughts.

 

I also believe in placebo.

 

Still I also believe there is many things that leads to depression as I mentioned earlier a few times. Genetic memory, parents influence in young age, vulnerability and also your personality.

 

Still I believe you can improve by years and age to form your brain to see the world different even you see no hope at the darkest time.

 

The main problem I believe is, most just want a quick fix, mask up and escape the real problems.

 

Personal preferences when depressed

I feel Saad I need sugar and food

I feel depressed I need a trip to Pattaya

 

I feel sad I need THC CBD Cocaine Ecstasy

 

You are sad you need medication the Dr solutions

 

And non of them really work in the long run. 

 

Simple things do work for depression

Exercise Fresh air Stability healthy food and thought processes and vitamins if you need them such as vitamin d as an example and hormones is in check.

 

Edited September 30, 2022 by Hummin

[Hummin]

Just to be clear, I believe medication can be a solution in acute situation and used for the correct reasons, but myself have no experience.

[Tippaporn]

18 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I had covid. No trouble breathing and mainly a bad cough. Lasted about a week, though long covid made me tired for a long time after.

Well, it lasted about a day and a half for me.  I immediately took a regimen of Vitamin C, Vitamin D, and zinc.  Had one full day of it.  Woke up to a rough morning.  By 11 AM I felt back to normal.  It was a non event for me.  Again, given the amount of deception rampant in the world today with so many trusted institutions lying through their teeth I don't trust the accuracy of the store bought test.  Maybe it was accurate, maybe not.

I also gave myself suggestions that I'd get over it quickly if I did have.  I approached it as a challenge.  Not that people here believe that suggestions have any power to influence. 

[Tippaporn]

13 hours ago, Hummin said:

Just to be clear, I believe medication can be a solution in acute situation and used for the correct reasons, but myself have no experience.

Medicine can indeed be a solution.  That evidence cannot be denied.  I would, however, warn that medicines should not be viewed as a long term solution.  Too many reasons why to get into here.  But any malady is ultimately a product of psychology.  I understand that statement would seem to many to be blasphemous.  Live and learn.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, Hummin said:

When it comes to medication for severe depression I really do not know, and to be true with you, I do not trust the science behind it, and neither trust psychiatrists. I was offered medication as only option, and said thank but no thank you and came true it myself.

 

However I have good faith in brain science how repetitive thought processes can work and I succeeded by doing it and now my thought processes happening by itself when I meet negative thoughts.

 

I also believe in placebo.

 

Still I also believe there is many things that leads to depression as I mentioned earlier a few times. Genetic memory, parents influence in young age, vulnerability and also your personality.

 

Still I believe you can improve by years and age to form your brain to see the world different even you see no hope at the darkest time.

 

The main problem I believe is, most just want a quick fix, mask up and escape the real problems.

 

Personal preferences when depressed

I feel Saad I need sugar and food

I feel depressed I need a trip to Pattaya

 

I feel sad I need THC CBD Cocaine Ecstasy

 

You are sad you need medication the Dr solutions

 

And non of them really work in the long run. 

 

Simple things do work for depression

Exercise Fresh air Stability healthy food and thought processes and vitamins if you need them such as vitamin d as an example and hormones is in check.

 

I was going through a rough patch at work and made the mistake of going to the staff health nurse, who's only solution was anti depressants. When I refused she basically kicked me out of the office.

Didn't even talk to me to see if there was something other than drugs that might work.

 

While I'm not too keen on psychiatrists, I'm a great believer in psychologists, but they are too expensive for me to use now. Talking is always good, but how many of us know a relative, lover or friend we could really let it all hang out with? I certainly don't. If I told my relative what ails me she would more likely make me feel worse after, than help.

Have to be careful of which psychologist to use though. I once visited one that basically attacked me throughout the session, but it came out that her female clients with tales of woe concerning men made her dislike all men. I even had to pay for the session which made me way worse than when I went in.

 

I wonder if I were a believer in a "personal" God that "loves" me if I would have had a happier life.

Edited October 1, 2022 by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Well, it lasted about a day and a half for me.  I immediately took a regimen of Vitamin C, Vitamin D, and zinc.  Had one full day of it.  Woke up to a rough morning.  By 11 AM I felt back to normal.  It was a non event for me.  Again, given the amount of deception rampant in the world today with so many trusted institutions lying through their teeth I don't trust the accuracy of the store bought test.  Maybe it was accurate, maybe not.

I also gave myself suggestions that I'd get over it quickly if I did have.  I approached it as a challenge.  Not that people here believe that suggestions have any power to influence. 

Yes I also use vit C. Took massive doses throughout, which I believe made it shorter than it would otherwise have been. 1000 mg every 4 hours.

[mauGR1]

12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Have to be careful of which psychologist to use though. I once visited one that basically attacked me throughout the session, but it came out that her female clients with tales of woe concerning men made her dislike all men. I even had to pay for the session which made me way worse than when I went in

There must be a few of those psychologist who are real psychos. Dangerous to trust them. 

My theory for more or less accurate diagnosis of mental illness I've better not say, but ego has something to do with it.

The old wise anonymous once said that it's insanity to adapt to an insane world, while others say that intelligence is the ability to adapt. 

So, whatever you do, you are right and wrong at the same time ????

 

[thaibeachlovers]

7 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

There must be a few of those psychologist who are real psychos. Dangerous to trust them. 

My theory for more or less accurate diagnosis of mental illness I've better not say, but ego has something to do with it.

The old wise anonymous once said that it's insanity to adapt to an insane world, while others say that intelligence is the ability to adapt. 

So, whatever you do, you are right and wrong at the same time ????

 

Indeed.

However, I seem to have the ability to always make the wrong decision in life, so I am indeed wrong, but it would be nice to be right occasionally.

Obviously I'm referring to major life decisions, such as what job to do, or which woman to marry, or even if I should get married at all.

Even I can put my pants on the "right" way around.

[mauGR1]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

However, I seem to have the ability to always make the wrong decision in life, so I am indeed wrong, but it would be nice to be right occasionally.

That sounds exactly like me ????

However it's always good to be able to see things from a detached point of view ; the positive about getting old, is that emotions, as frequent cause of big mistakes, are easier to control and examine. 

[Sunmaster]

5 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

There must be a few of those psychologist who are real psychos. Dangerous to trust them. 

Funny. I just met one a few days ago and had a longer conversation with him. He said he was a "Freudian" psychologist and as part of his education, they have to undergo a psychological evaluation themselves....meaning they have to talk to another psychologist about their own issues. Normally this would take about 2 or 4 years. He was still doing it after 20! years...
While he was quite knowledgeable about the subject, he didn't come across as a very balanced individual. When saying goodbye he couldn't even hold eye contact for example, kind of shifty...
I openly asked him what the success rate of his therapy was and if he thought it was an effective way of helping others. Suffice to say, he was not very convincing... ???? 

Psychologists pretend to go down to the roots to solve the problems there. The way I see it, they only start to scratch the top of the roots and are far from understanding the full extension of them. Their approach is more like a "trial and error" and "hoping for the best". There are better models and tools out there that would be of greater help.

 

Edited October 1, 2022 by Sunmaster

[mauGR1]

4 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Funny. I just met one a few days ago and had a longer conversation with him. He said he was a "Freudian" psychologist and as part of his education, they have to undergo a psychological evaluation themselves....meaning they have to talk to another psychologist about their own issues. Normally this would take about 2 or 4 years. He was still doing it after 20! years...
While he was quite knowledgeable about the subject, he didn't come across as a very balanced individual. When saying goodbye he couldn't even hold eye contact for example...
I openly asked him what the success rate of his therapy was and if he thought it was an effective way of helping others. Suffice to say, he was not very convincing... ???? 

Psychologists pretend to go down to the roots to solve the problems there. The way I see it, they only start to scratch the top of the roots and are far from understanding the full extension of them. Their approach is more like a "trial and error" and "hoping for the best". There are better models and tools out there that would be of greater help.

 

My ex mother in law was one of them. Nice person most of the times, but she had a quite restricted list of labels for everyone. 

She had a high opinion though, of the ones who admired her and paid her compliments.

It's a funny world indeed, and i respect Orwell for his foresight. 

[Hummin]

58 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Funny. I just met one a few days ago and had a longer conversation with him. He said he was a "Freudian" psychologist and as part of his education, they have to undergo a psychological evaluation themselves....meaning they have to talk to another psychologist about their own issues. Normally this would take about 2 or 4 years. He was still doing it after 20! years...
While he was quite knowledgeable about the subject, he didn't come across as a very balanced individual. When saying goodbye he couldn't even hold eye contact for example, kind of shifty...
I openly asked him what the success rate of his therapy was and if he thought it was an effective way of helping others. Suffice to say, he was not very convincing... ???? 

Psychologists pretend to go down to the roots to solve the problems there. The way I see it, they only start to scratch the top of the roots and are far from understanding the full extension of them. Their approach is more like a "trial and error" and "hoping for the best". There are better models and tools out there that would be of greater help.

 

psychologist is just humans to, and some of them is really good, as well you need chemistry and trust as well. 
 

I did not experience the provoking therapy, except what was needed of background information to get a complete picture. Instead I was given tools and keys to work with. So for me it was right time and right place in life and also life saving. 
 

The most important, she let me do the work and gave me the feeling of understanding and gave me my own discoveries during our sessions, and learned me the importance of not complicate things. Everything have its own answers in its own orders. As said trust is the key for successfully therapy. 

 

 

Edited October 1, 2022 by Hummin

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

Psychologists pretend to go down to the roots to solve the problems there. The way I see it, they only start to scratch the top of the roots and are far from understanding the full extension of them. Their approach is more like a "trial and error" and "hoping for the best". There are better models and tools out there that would be of greater help.

When I was working in the UK it was possible to have psychological counseling on the NHS if referred by a GP, but only for a few weeks. My experience was somewhat baffling as the psychologist didn't inform me as to how the therapy worked, and didn't contribute any input during the sessions. I ended up just talking about my problems while she listened, and I did gain some insight into them. Although I was starting to get some benefit the course ended, and I was left a bit confused by the whole experience.

Just one of life's strange episodes.

[Mac Mickmanus]

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

When I was working in the UK it was possible to have psychological counseling on the NHS if referred by a GP, but only for a few weeks. My experience was somewhat baffling as the psychologist didn't inform me as to how the therapy worked, and didn't contribute any input during the sessions. I ended up just talking about my problems while she listened, and I did gain some insight into them. Although I was starting to get some benefit the course ended, and I was left a bit confused by the whole experience.

Just one of life's strange episodes.

What was you expecting the psychologist to do ?

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/2/2022 at 12:36 AM, Mac Mickmanus said:

What was you expecting the psychologist to do ?

Her job?

Don't need a qualification to sit in a room and let someone talk for 1/2 hour without any contribution.

[mauGR1]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Her job?

Don't need a qualification to sit in a room and let someone talk for 1/2 hour without any contribution.

I'm no expert, but i guess those psychologists' job is in fact to listen, and eventually warn the authorities if one's looking like a danger for society and himself.

It's quite normal to feel 'lost' sometimes, life is never easy, except for moments of bliss.

One might as well talk about his troubles to some friend or relative, even to himself, and find his own way to a reasonable state of happiness, or at least some peace of mind.

Unfortunately, our western societies have become so competitive that people are never consistently happy. 

Hopefully more and more people will rebel against the pressure of the official narrative, and stick again to good old values like love, friendship, compassion, honesty etc

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

I'm no expert, but i guess those psychologists' job is in fact to listen, and eventually warn the authorities if one's looking like a danger for society and himself.

It's quite normal to feel 'lost' sometimes, life is never easy, except for moments of bliss.

One might as well talk about his troubles to some friend or relative, even to himself, and find his own way to a reasonable state of happiness, or at least some peace of mind.

Unfortunately, our western societies have become so competitive that people are never consistently happy. 

Hopefully more and more people will rebel against the pressure of the official narrative, and stick again to good old values like love, friendship, compassion, honesty etc

Yes, they have to listen, but they do a long uni course to be able to offer some insight to the person they listened to.

I've been to other psychologists that actually did their job, so IMO the NHS one was just lazy.

 

Hopefully more and more people will rebel against the pressure of the official narrative, and stick again to good old values like love, friendship, compassion, honesty etc

 

You dreamer you! The human race has IMO become "lemmings" addicted to the new god of technology/ science, endlessly chasing the next fad, such as man made climate change, multiple gender silliness, PC and wokeness. None of it makes them happy though. Way too many out there looking to be offended at anything and angry at everything.

[mauGR1]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Yes, they have to listen, but they do a long uni course to be able to offer some insight to the person they listened to.

I've been to other psychologists that actually did their job, so IMO the NHS one was just lazy.

 

Hopefully more and more people will rebel against the pressure of the official narrative, and stick again to good old values like love, friendship, compassion, honesty etc

 

You dreamer you! The human race has IMO become "lemmings" addicted to the new god of technology/ science, endlessly chasing the next fad, such as man made climate change, multiple gender silliness, PC and wokeness. None of it makes them happy though. Way too many out there looking to be offended at anything and angry at everything.

Well, in the short term, probably things are going to get worse, but i still have hope. 

Perhaps I'll not live long enough to see the beginning of the golden age, but it's just a question of time, so for now I'll consider myself fortunate enough not to fall prey of those "false truths " that you mention.

 

 

[Sparktrader]

On 9/30/2022 at 1:27 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Depression IMO has to be caused by chemicals being released in the brain, or anti depressants wouldn't work. As to why they are released, I don't know.

I used to think I was depressed, but anti depressants didn't work on me ( though they did make me impotent ). Took me a long time to work it out, but I'm sad because of what happened in my early childhood that was never resolved. My parents never got over it the rest of their lives either. Unfortunately there are no legal drugs for sadness.

However, back then I doubt psychologists were considered as a solution, and people were left to make the best of it they could ( or not, as the case may be ).

Been disproven , not caused by chemicals. 

 

Depression is excess negative thought imo.

 

 

[Sparktrader]

22 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Her job?

Don't need a qualification to sit in a room and let someone talk for 1/2 hour without any contribution.

Most are hopeless. I saw one useless. Tried 3 drugs no effect.

 

Getting busy is the best cure for negative thoughts. Plus have a goal to aim at.

 

Look at Bruce Lipton on youtube. You really have to reprogram your sc mind.

 

Also talk to positive people. Negative folks drag you down.

 

Steve Harvey speaks well too about god. Check him out.

 

If you wake up in the morning its cause god has a plan for you.

 

 

[Sparktrader]

On 10/1/2022 at 9:36 PM, Mac Mickmanus said:

What was you expecting the psychologist to do ?

I saw one twice. He talked more than me. Talked about himself. Chinese one next door she was worse.

 

This was early covid. All free. I didnt bother using up my free visits. Waste of time. Absolute muppets.