UK not paying Brexit bill would be debt default, French source says

[evadgib]

41 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Let's put a lie to bed. The Brexit party was not only 8 weeks old at the time of the Peterborough election.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit_Party

 

Farage did well, but despite being the undisputed 'face of Brexit', despite the full support of the UK's most popular (by a country mile) newspapers, The Daily Mail, The Sun, and The Daily Express, and despite wide coverage on all UK TV channels, local and national radio and frontline participation in TV political programs he didn't do well enough. 

 

43,000 people in the Peterborough constituency who voted Leave at the Referendum failed to turn up and vote for the Brexit party. 

 

 

Brexit, the most politically loaded question of the moment, a widely publicised by-election, there is zero chance that these 43,000 people were unaware of the by-election, unaware of what was at stake, unaware that the Brexit party was standing in the by-election or unaware what single issue the Brexit party was standing for. 

 

 

- The '8 weeks' presumably refers to the date that they formally notified the EC of their intent, including the fielding of candidates and the channeling of 25 quid joining fee/donations for the by election when the fact that there was to be one became apparent.

 

- A report alleging fraudulent activity surrounding the by election is expected shortly. Labour; the Asian block vote and some dodgy postal votes (inc deceased pers) are 'in the frame'.

 

- Coming 2nd after just 8 weeks in a FPTP constituency is far from the failure you'd like it to be.

 

"You ain't seen nuffing yet!" and I am completely confident that this movement will grow.

[david555]

Good news for the Brexiteers .. (partially...) Freedom looms !!… On the other hand ...Sturgeon is in Brussels E.U. meeting Barnier & others ...  (no article or link available yet , only on Sky Tv news)

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/11/no-renegotiation-withdrawal-agreement-french-minister

 

Brexit: EU will not reopen withdrawal agreement, insists French minister

Amélie de Montchalin says UK will leave EU on 31 October without ‘new political line’

France’s state secretary for European affairs has confirmed that the EU27 are not prepared to reopen the Brexit withdrawal agreement, and that without a “new political line” in the UK or a second referendum, Britain must expect to leave the bloc on 31 October.

On the eve of a two-day working visit to London, Amélie de Montchalin also told the Guardian that France regarded the €39bn financial settlement Britain has agreed to pay the EU as part of the exit deal as a matter of international law.

more....

 

But an important quote out of the further article :

 

Emmanuel Macron said last week he considered 31 October to be the “final, final deadline” for Britain’s much delayed departure, saying he did not want the new European Commission and executive to have to deal with Brexit.

[dick dasterdly]

22 minutes ago, evadgib said:

The same ones that ruled in favour of Gina Miller...?

 

6 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

You still haven’t understand the difference, but keep getting excited about it? 

 

If it wasn’t so sad, I would laugh my ass of seeing people who didn’t make it past a subpar highschool degree making a fool of themselves by talking international law. 

Thank you for making a fool of yourself - yet again.

 

But to look on the bright side you've made it very obvious ("highschool degree") that you're not british.

[BritManToo]

4 minutes ago, david555 said:

On the eve of a two-day working visit to London, Amélie de Montchalin also told the Guardian that France regarded the €39bn financial settlement Britain has agreed to pay the EU as part of the exit deal as a matter of international law.

more....

Doesn't Germany still owe the UK a wadge of cash from WW2?

Maybe we could use that IOU to pay the EU bill.

[dick dasterdly]

2 minutes ago, david555 said:

Good news for the Brexiteers .. (partially...) Freedom looms !!… On the other hand ...Sturgeon is in Brussels E.U. meeting Barnier & others ...  (no article or link available yet , only on Sky Tv news)

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/11/no-renegotiation-withdrawal-agreement-french-minister

 

Brexit: EU will not reopen withdrawal agreement, insists French minister

Amélie de Montchalin says UK will leave EU on 31 October without ‘new political line’

France’s state secretary for European affairs has confirmed that the EU27 are not prepared to reopen the Brexit withdrawal agreement, and that without a “new political line” in the UK or a second referendum, Britain must expect to leave the bloc on 31 October.

On the eve of a two-day working visit to London, Amélie de Montchalin also told the Guardian that France regarded the €39bn financial settlement Britain has agreed to pay the EU as part of the exit deal as a matter of international law.

more....

 

But an important quote out of the further article :

 

Emmanuel Macron said last week he considered 31 October to be the “final, final deadline” for Britain’s much delayed departure, saying he did not want the new European Commission and executive to have to deal with Brexit.

And good luck to sturgeon, as I'm sure the eu will be very interested in another non-paying member - as long as it causes a problem for the rest of the uk ????.  If brexit actually happens - I've no doubt they will be far less interested!

 

 

[dick dasterdly]

"Amélie de Montchalin says UK will leave EU on 31 October without ‘new political line’"

 

And brexiteers agree with him on this!  Unfortunately for him and brexiteers, apparently most eu countries are looking to another extension....☹️

 

"On the eve of a two-day working visit to London, Amélie de Montchalin also told the Guardian that France regarded the €39bn financial settlement Britain has agreed to pay the EU as part of the exit deal as a matter of international law."

 

Which only proves that he and macron consider their opinions to be 'law' ????.

 

Thank you for posting the above post, it gave me a good laugh!

 

Edited June 11, 2019 by dick dasterdly

[david555]

3 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

And good luck to sturgeon, as I'm sure the eu will be very interested in another non-paying member - as long as it causes a problem for the rest of the uk ????.  If brexit actually happens - I've no doubt they will be far less interested!

 

 

I shall restrain myself on commenting too much , not spoiling the good news Brexit shall be at 31 October a fact .

However it spoil some candidates for the leadership as it is not a crowbar anymore to favorize them above others …. as they go get it anyhow automatic 

[david555]

7 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

"Amélie de Montchalin says UK will leave EU on 31 October without ‘new political line’"

 

And brexiteers agree with him on this!  Unfortunately for him and brexiteers, apparently most eu countries are looking to another extension....☹️

 

7 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

"Amélie de Montchalin says UK will leave EU on 31 October without ‘new political line’"

 

And brexiteers agree with him on this!  Unfortunately for him and brexiteers, apparently most eu countries are looking to another extension....☹️

Forget that ….. this is the main reason: " he did not want the new European Commission and executive to have to deal with Brexit".

Edited June 11, 2019 by david555

[david555]

8 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

"Amélie de Montchalin says UK will leave EU on 31 October without ‘new political line’"

 

And brexiteers agree with him on this!  Unfortunately for him and brexiteers, apparently most eu countries are looking to another extension....☹️

"most "E.U.countrys is not enough ,it must be unanimous ….remember 

[nauseus]

9 minutes ago, david555 said:

"most "E.U.countrys is not enough ,it must be unanimous ….remember 

No problemo! The 27 are united by love and respect for the EU (plus the odd word in the ear from Merkel).  ????

Edited June 11, 2019 by nauseus

[billd766]

3 hours ago, david555 said:

Probably the bills are still adding up as long extensions are given …. could that be a reason …?

Or more likely on demand of May to keep it low profile to keep the leave camp not in ultimate anger & rebellion.... there could be much under the surface in wait ...

 

 

You could be. They could also have completed auditing and accounting to 31 March or 31 October and be just waiting for the last few numbers but I doubt that they are that good.

 

What I suspect is that the EU as well as the UK have not really done much planning for the final Brexit other than kicking the can down the road and 31 October is where it has landed.

 

Now there teams from both sides burning the midnight oil in a headless chicken mode trying to get it all done. 

 

IMHO on 1st November there won't be a knock on the door and a letter saying pay up or we will take further action.

 

Who ever collects the poisoned chalice and I sure hope that it is Esther McVey will meet the EU after the election quietly and talk about what will happen and we will see what comes of it.

 

Boris will go in like Trump bellowing like a bull in a china shop and get the EU back up straight away. Esther McVey will be quieter and more effective but won't let them pull the wool over her eyes.

[billd766]

37 minutes ago, david555 said:

Good news for the Brexiteers .. (partially...) Freedom looms !!… On the other hand ...Sturgeon is in Brussels E.U. meeting Barnier & others ...  (no article or link available yet , only on Sky Tv news)

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/11/no-renegotiation-withdrawal-agreement-french-minister

 

Brexit: EU will not reopen withdrawal agreement, insists French minister

Amélie de Montchalin says UK will leave EU on 31 October without ‘new political line’

France’s state secretary for European affairs has confirmed that the EU27 are not prepared to reopen the Brexit withdrawal agreement, and that without a “new political line” in the UK or a second referendum, Britain must expect to leave the bloc on 31 October.

On the eve of a two-day working visit to London, Amélie de Montchalin also told the Guardian that France regarded the €39bn financial settlement Britain has agreed to pay the EU as part of the exit deal as a matter of international law.

more....

 

But an important quote out of the further article :

 

Emmanuel Macron said last week he considered 31 October to be the “final, final deadline” for Britain’s much delayed departure, saying he did not want the new European Commission and executive to have to deal with Brexit.

Much as it hurts me to say this, but it is the only time I have ever agreed with him. ???? ???? ????

[david555]

5 minutes ago, billd766 said:

You could be. They could also have completed auditing and accounting to 31 March or 31 October and be just waiting for the last few numbers but I doubt that they are that good.

 

What I suspect is that the EU as well as the UK have not really done much planning for the final Brexit other than kicking the can down the road and 31 October is where it has landed.

 

Now there teams from both sides burning the midnight oil in a headless chicken mode trying to get it all done. 

 

IMHO on 1st November there won't be a knock on the door and a letter saying pay up or we will take further action.

 

Who ever collects the poisoned chalice and I sure hope that it is Esther McVey will meet the EU after the election quietly and talk about what will happen and we will see what comes of it.

 

Boris will go in like Trump bellowing like a bull in a china shop and get the EU back up straight away. Esther McVey will be quieter and more effective but won't let them pull the wool over her eyes.

"IMHO on 1st November there won't be a knock on the door and a letter saying pay up or we will take further action."

 

Of course there will be a nice payment plan offered 

[nontabury]

7 hours ago, evadgib said:

As Peterborough featured so heavily on the last few pages...

 

 

 

It would be very interesting,to know the exact number of postal votes in this by-election.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, nontabury said:

 

It would be very interesting,to know the exact number of postal votes in this by-election.

Don’t like the result then?!

[evadgib]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Don’t like the result then?!

"It's that man again!"

(That's 'Stomper' sorted. Here's farage! ???? )

 

[billd766]

5 minutes ago, david555 said:

"IMHO on 1st November there won't be a knock on the door and a letter saying pay up or we will take further action."

 

Of course there will be a nice payment plan offered 

Perhaps they will send "The Management" in to collect.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CiGUMQZUgU

 

[evadgib]

22 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Perhaps they will send "The Management" in to collect.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CiGUMQZUgU

 

Thanks Bill; I saw 'the Management' live at Lakeside in their heyday ????

 

Here's another:

 

Edited June 11, 2019 by evadgib

[Chomper Higgot]

23 minutes ago, evadgib said:

"It's that man again!"

(That's 'Stomper' sorted. Here's farage! ???? )

 

If you are going to troll TVF with The Brexit Party twitter feed, do at least read the responses in the feed first.

 

‘1537 people are talking about this’

 

Not in complimentary terms.

[aright]

2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Does that legal analysis come from

the same experts who told you the UK might have already left the EU? Hilarious. 

No. It comes from having a great deal of contract experience with businesses I own(ed) and companies I worked for. 

What's your business/contract  experience?...…….don't tell me I can guess.

Edited June 11, 2019 by aright

[welovesundaysatspace]

4 minutes ago, aright said:

No. It comes from having a great deal of contract experience with businesses I own(ed) and companies I worked for. 

What's your business/contract  experience?...…….don't tell me I can guess.

I buy/sell companies for my Clients. Clients big enough to know when you carve-out you don’t do it in a suicide mission. (They listen to their advisors, not to the riff-raff.)

 

And I wasn’t asking for your contract experience. I was asking where the joke comes from that the UK‘s agreements with the EU are somehow invalid or illegal because of “corruption”. 

[evadgib]

3 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I buy/sell companies for my Clients. Clients big enough to know when you carve-out you don’t do it in a suicide mission. (They listen to their advisors, not to the riff-raff.)

 

And I wasn’t asking for your contract experience. I was asking where the joke comes from that the UK‘s agreements with the EU are somehow invalid or illegal because of “corruption”. 

Does this help?

Or this?

 

[aright]

9 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I buy/sell companies for my Clients. Clients big enough to know when you carve-out you don’t do it in a suicide mission. (They listen to their advisors, not to the riff-raff.)

 

And I wasn’t asking for your contract experience. I was asking where the joke comes from that the UK‘s agreements with the EU are somehow invalid or illegal because of “corruption”. 

I didn't make that statement so you need to ask the person who did but I must say when you consider EU rules think trade surpluses by Germany since 2007 and Germany's self negotiated sweetheart energy deal with Russia etc as being outside the rules. I am not a lawyer myself but have friends who think they could make a case. These 2 instances are to the detriment of the UK and indeed to all the member states but when Germany is the EU it can do what it wants including setting up a self serving currency what can you do?  

To help you on your way...…...

The extent of corruption in Europe is "breathtaking" and it costs the EU economy at least 120bn euros (£99bn) annually, the European Commission says.

EU Home Affairs Commissioner Cecilia Malmstroem has presented a full report on the problem.

She said the true cost of corruption was "probably much higher" than 120bn.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26014387

[Scott]

Post reported and removed.  

[CG1 Blue]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Let's put a lie to bed. The Brexit party was not only 8 weeks old at the time of the Peterborough election.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit_Party

 

Farage did well, but despite being the undisputed 'face of Brexit', despite the full support of the UK's most popular (by a country mile) newspapers, The Daily Mail, The Sun, and The Daily Express, and despite wide coverage on all UK TV channels, local and national radio and frontline participation in TV political programs he didn't do well enough. 

 

43,000 people in the Peterborough constituency who voted Leave at the Referendum failed to turn up and vote for the Brexit party. 

 

 

Brexit, the most politically loaded question of the moment, a widely publicised by-election, there is zero chance that these 43,000 people were unaware of the by-election, unaware of what was at stake, unaware that the Brexit party was standing in the by-election or unaware what single issue the Brexit party was standing for. 

 

 

Why are you conflating two very different voting events? A general Election has very different dynamics to a binary referendum. You just cannot compare data from the two. 

 

But if you insist on doing this, then let's look at it another way. Over 34k people in Peterborough voted to remain in 2016. In the by-election the Lib Dems got just 4,159 votes, and the Greens got just 1,035 votes. So where are all these remainers that previously voted to leave? 

 

You see - your logic just doesn't work.  Again, as a Belgian you're not expected to understand British politics, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. 

 

 

[billd766]

I see that Chomper Higgott is posting the confused emoji yet again. 

 

If you are confused by my post, or anybody else's post please tell us why you are confused and we may be able to help you understand.

[david555]

(general page link of happenings of the day.)

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/jun/11/tory-leadership-campaigns-hancock-claims-early-commons-brexit-vote-could-lead-to-eu-offering-backstop-concessions-live-news

 

 

29m ago 16:32

Withdrawal agreement 'has to be respected' by next PM, says Juncker

Daniel Boffey

Jean-Claude Juncker has sunk the hopes of some of the runners in the Conservative leadership race over future Brexit negotiations with Brussels by ruling out a time-limit on the contentious Irish backstop.

The European commission president insisted that the insurance arrangements designed to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland would need to last as long as that problem arose due to the UK’s exit from the single market and customs union. Juncker said:

 

There will be no renegotiations as far as the content of the withdrawal agreement is concerned.

We can have some clarifications, precisions, additions to the political declaration.

To avoid a hard border, the Irish backstop would keep the UK as a whole in a share customs territory preventing the country from developing an independent trade policy while Northern Ireland would stay under large swathes of EU law relating to the single market.

Asked if that could mean a backstop time-limit, as suggested by the health secretary Matt Hancock among others, Juncker responded: “No”. In his interview with Politico, Juncker went on:

 

We’ve concluded with Theresa May the withdrawal agreement.

This isn’t a treaty between May and Juncker, this is a treaty between the UK and the EU. It has to be respected by whomsoever will be the next British prime minister.

Juncker would not be drawn into criticising the claims of some of the leadership contenders but he admitted that he “did not like what is happening” in London.

 

I have the impression for months now that the main interest for the British political society was how to replace Theresa May and not how to find an arrangement with the EU.

 

Edited June 11, 2019 by david555

[david555]

So.... short said , whatever  the candidates say about going Brussels re negotiate a deal is pure for them to get voted , as over and over is said …. no opening the negotiation , is a done deal ...

 

We gone have a strange situation at 31 October , for E.U. you the U.K. are out , and in mean time I see politic fractions trying to block a  no deal …. that anyway automatic comes at 31 October , so out for us E.U.  and U.K. think they are still in …….

 

Oh another thing I heard be cleared up …., if no deal  the 39 bill. are no longer 39 but only 30 , as there would be no transition ….(meaning U.K. jump cliff edge ..)  so you earn 9 billions " with a snap of a finger "….

 

Why you are always  lucky ones ?getting the best deals ?  

[welovesundaysatspace]

3 hours ago, evadgib said:

Does this help?

Or this?

 

What are you trying to say? 

 

The 39bn is an out-of-court settlement for outstanding financial obligations the UK has from its EU membership. Those obligations will not just vanish by crashing out without a deal — if the UK parliament ever agrees to such.

 

In lieu of an agreement, the EU would just invoice the UK all the outstanding obligations. The UK could then disagree to that and likewise make claims. The two parties could then start the negotiations again; you are back at square one. Meanwhile, the EU would stop all payments to the UK until the issue has been settled, such as subsidies or infrastructure projects.

 

Of course, either party could also go to court, which would take years. At the same time, since the UK has left without a deal, it is dependent on agreements with the EU and the EU’s goodwill to conclude such (and do it fast). 

[DaRoadrunner]

Teresa May was too soft. Should have told 'em, unless we get a fair deal we're not paying. And just what could the EU do if we refused to pay? Sue us in the European Court that we would no longer recognise?

 

If we crash out it will hurt the EU as much as the UK as trade is two way.

 

Another mistake was negotiating with the French. May should have done a deal with Angela Merkel, the rest would follow her lead.... except the French of course, who would have been left out in the cold.

 

Better the Brits join together with their friends the Yanks, this would also give them a bigger stick to wield in negotiations.