59 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

I know, I said so,

 

Where have I said anything remotely like that?

You asked the question Who voted for them? I was responding to the question by giving you an explanation and an answer. If you knew the protocol, which you claim you do, your question is irrelevant.  

 

 

My point was no one voted for them because it was not necessary that is the business of the Tory Party(protocol, internal business and rules) nothing to do with the electorate or elected representatives which  brings me back to my original question which you haven’t answered...…..

 

“You seem to be suggesting we should have a national election to decide who the Leader of the Conservative Party should be. If not how do you propose the Leader of the Conservative Party be decided?” ……...add to that "the Leader of any Political Party"  

 

If you are happy with  the political leadership status quo your whole post on this subject is irrelevant.

 

 
May's deal meant we would leave and no longer be bound by:

• the freedom of movement directive
• the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice
• the common fisheries policy
• the common agricultural policy
• etc., etc., all the things Brexiteers say they don't like about EU membership.

How is that BRINO?
So 

Shall I post the 40 Horrors of the Merkel/May Surrender Treaty for you again?

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 

No, it shows the the thinking of just one German. How can you possibly say that his/her view represents the thinking of the German government, let alone the other 26 governments?

 

 

When I said " the thinking of the EU" I was referring to people not governments although the thinking of people does drive governments but not in the EU. (what have they done about the migrant problem, yellow vests, and the rise of extreme political parties. )

I have a business in the UK which has extensive exports to Germany and France and to a lesser extent the USA. My European business is extremely valuable to my company and as a result I spend a lot of time in those countries; 3- 4 days a month and I have been doing that for many years; business and holidays. . The arrogance of many Europeans ( mainly the elite, well heeled, has become apparent as a result of my experiences.

How much time do you spend in Europe to say I am wrong. The greatest exponents of EU arrogant thinking in the EU are Juncker, Tusk, Selmayr and Barnier and I have never met them only seen on TV. You would of course expect this from federalist politicians who regard the Project as more important than the needs of the electorate (look at voting patterns over the last 5 years)

Ivanka is actively marketing Trump's border wall plans to Boris as a resolution to the Ireland/Northern Ireland border problem that Boris"s "no deal" Brexit will cause.

18 hours ago, Loiner said:

And there you have it. Remainers would rather be a vassal state in the federal EU.
Your preference for the Merkel/May Surrender Treaty is because it would give us that - BRINO and a vassal state. How can you possibly buy into that?
Perhaps Remainers could grasp the the real realities:
We don’t care about chlorinated chicken. If don’t like it, don’t buy it.
Scotland and NI would be no great loss. We’d get over it quickly. Civil war in Derry? Remainer hysteria.
Iranian speed boats? Remainers are the same type of people who would wail and moan if we blew them out of the water.
Better you went to stay in aa all controlling superstate if that’s what you like.

I can buy into anything that leads to a GE, the end of Johnson and the destruction of the Tory party, along with Brexit.  

 

And that's looking more likely every day, 

 

As to your quoted 'realities'  ???????????? 

We are heading for a second referendum on the exit modus OR massive manipulation of the political situation to ensure a tory victory in a general election.

 

Boris coming into power has changed nothing in the house as a whole as far as I can see. 

 

Get ready to be manipulated by politicos on all sides.

12 hours ago, aright said:

13 hours ago, 7by7 said:

I know, I said so,

 

Where have I said anything remotely like that?

<snip>

You asked the question Who voted for them? I was responding to the question by giving you an explanation and an answer. If you knew the protocol, which you claim you do, your question is irrelevant.  

 My post, and the rhetorical question contained therein, was a direct response to ThaiBunny's post in which he said that the leader of the government was elected by the people's representatives.

 

A fact which is plainly obvious as I quoted that post in my reply!

 

Something you seem to have forgotten in your attempt at point scoring.

 

For further clarification and expansion of my remarks, see my subsequent posts; all made well before you joined in.

 

12 hours ago, Loiner said:

Shall I post the 40 Horrors of the Merkel/May Surrender Treaty for you again?

 

I would be intrigued to see details of such a non existent treaty.

 

But if you would care to post your objections to the proposed deal negotiated by May with the EU, then go for it.

 

Remember that Boris voted for May's deal and has said it only requires a few tweaks.

 

But, as he has proved so often in the past, what Boris says today can be radically different to what he says tomorrow!

11 hours ago, aright said:

<snip>

When I said " the thinking of the EU" I was referring to people not governments

 But you still based that upon the thinking of just one person. One person out of over 500 million!

 

The rest of your post is first a mere self aggrandising attempt at justifying this absurd claim and then an attempt at side stepping it. So not worthy of further response.

5 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

I would be intrigued to see details of such a non existent treaty.

 

But if you would care to post your objections to the proposed deal negotiated by M ay with the EU, then go for it.

 

Remember that Boris voted for May's deal and has said it only requires a few tweaks.

 

But, as he has proved so often in the past, what Boris says today can be radically different to what he says tomorrow!

Not 'still waiting for a link' again are you 49? I've been Boris dancing for 48hrs, perfecting my gloat dance for Halloween ????

8 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 But you still based that upon the thinking of just one person. One person out of over 500 million!

 

The rest of your post is first a mere self aggrandising attempt at justifying this absurd claim and then an attempt at side stepping it. So not worthy of further response.

I prefer justifiable self aggrandizing to justifiable self abasement.

 
I would be intrigued to see details of such a non existent treaty.
 
But if you would care to post your objections to the proposed deal negotiated by May with the EU, then go for it.
 
Remember that Boris voted for May's deal and has said it only requires a few tweaks.
 
But, as he has proved so often in the past, what Boris says today can be radically different to what he says tomorrow!

It’s out there, hiding under a front page of Withdrawal Agreement or WAG.

Are you asking for the 40 horrors so you can run to the mods again. How many times have you had it removed now? Naughty 49er, you are baiting again.

Boris would tweak it back into the bin. That’s already what Parliament did to it three times. Did you for get that?

8 hours ago, evadgib said:

Not 'still waiting for a link' again are you 49? I've been Boris dancing for 48hrs, perfecting my gloat dance for Halloween ????

If you say what programme the Rees-Mogg interview where, according to you, he 'had the BBC for breakfast' was on then there is a chance those of us in the UK will be able to watch or listen to it on BBC iPlayer or BBC Sounds.

 

I can think of only one reason for your reluctance to give that information.

3 hours ago, Loiner said:

9 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 
I would be intrigued to see details of such a non existent treaty.
 
But if you would care to post your objections to the proposed deal negotiated by May with the EU, then go for it.
 
Remember that Boris voted for May's deal and has said it only requires a few tweaks.
 
But, as he has proved so often in the past, what Boris says today can be radically different to what he says tomorrow!

It’s out there, hiding under a front page of Withdrawal Agreement or WAG

 So, yet again, you claim something is a fact yet cannot provide evidence to back up your claim.

 

3 hours ago, Loiner said:

Are you asking for the 40 horrors so you can run to the mods again. How many times have you had it removed now? Naughty 49er, you are baiting again.

No idea what you are talking about. I have never reported any post by you ever.

 

Why would the mods remove your 40 objections to May's agreement?

 

3 hours ago, Loiner said:

Boris would tweak it back into the bin. That’s already what Parliament did to it three times. Did you for get that?

No.

 

But you seem to have forgotten that Boris voted for May's agreement.

 

It will be very interesting to see how Rees-Mogg and his ERG react when Boris presents what will inevitably be May's deal with a few tweaks to Parliament.

Credit due where credit's due I know of quite a few Thais living in the UK who would welcome this ; 

 

Boris Johnson backs amnesty for up to 500,000 undocumented migrants
This is what Boris Johnson said during his statement about considering an amnesty for migrants in the UK illegally. He was responding to a question from the Labour MP Rupa Huq, who said that when Johnson was mayor of London he proposed an amnesty for illegal immigrants. (It is an idea that Johnson has long advocated, and one that he did raise during the Tory leadership contest, but only tentatively.) Huq said, now Johnson was in a position to do something about this, he could show whether or not he was a man of his word. That will pee off quite a few little Englander racists for sure. No send em back from BoJo. Plus he knows they are happy to work for minimum wage and sleep 8 to a 2 bedroom flat unlike their native born counterparts. If there's an EU exodus then these hidden heroes can take up the slack. If he does only that then I will celebrate with my illegal friends their new found freedom. 

 

"And I do think – yes, I will answer [Huq] directly – I do think we need to look at our arrangements for people who have lived and worked here for a long time, unable to enter the economy, unable to participate properly or pay taxes without documents.

We should look at it. And the truth is the law already basically allows them an effective amnesty. That’s basically where things have settled down. But we should look at the the economic advantages and disadvantages of going ahead with the policy that [Huq] described and which I think she and I share."

 

No.
 
But you seem to have forgotten that Boris voted for May's agreement.
 
It will be very interesting to see how Rees-Mogg and his ERG react when Boris presents what will inevitably be May's deal with a few tweaks to Parliament.

I don’t have to provide anything to you, nor does any other poster. Maybe that’s why you think you are kept waiting.

May’s surrender was kicked out three times. Boris didn’t vote for it three times.

Not only is it not inevitable that he will represent a tweaked deal, it’s not possible for him to do that. Not unless the EU agrees a renegotiated deal, which they keep telling us they won’t. Boris is happy to show the recalcitrant EU as the true bad boys of a No Deal exit.

2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

I don’t have to provide anything to you, nor does any other poster. Maybe that’s why you think you are kept waiting.

May’s surrender was kicked out three times. Boris didn’t vote for it three times.

Not only is it not inevitable that he will represent a tweaked deal, it’s not possible for him to do that. Not unless the EU agrees a renegotiated deal, which they keep telling us they won’t. Boris is happy to show the recalcitrant EU as the true bad boys of a No Deal exit.

Election , bye bye Boris  , bye bye Brexit - trebles all round ! Now that will be one hell of a party. But free the illegals first please.

59 minutes ago, Loiner said:

I don’t have to provide anything to you, nor does any other poster. Maybe that’s why you think you are kept waiting

You right, you don't.

 

But if you want to be taken seriously then when you claim something is a fact, as you often do, then you should provide evidence to back up that claim, which you never do.

 

59 minutes ago, Loiner said:

May’s surrender was kicked out three times. Boris didn’t vote for it three times.

I see you still refuse to say why you consider May's deal to be a surrender. No surprise there.

 

Yes, Boris changed his mind; yet again. But he won't allow the British public the opportunity to do the same!

 

But as you seem to think it's ok for Boris to change his mind, you presumably agree that the British public should be given that opportunity. To say Boris can change his mind but we can't is hypocrisy at best.

 

59 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Not only is it not inevitable that he will represent a tweaked deal, it’s not possible for him to do that. Not unless the EU agrees a renegotiated deal, which they keep telling us they won’t. Boris is happy to show the recalcitrant EU as the true bad boys of a No Deal exit.

 

From his speech yesterday outside No. 10 yesterday:

Quote

And next I say to our friends in Ireland, and in Brussels and around the EU I am convinced that we can do a deal without checks at the Irish border, because we refuse under any circumstances to have such checks and yet without that anti-democratic backstop and it is of course vital at the same time that we prepare for the remote possibility that Brussels refuses any further to negotiate and we are forced to come out with no deal not because we want that outcome – of course not.......

In other words; May's deal with a slightly different Irish backstop.

 

If he hasn't got the EU's agreement to his tweaked deal by 31st October will he pull us out with no deal, or will he seek an extension to Article 50? Given his past, my money's on the latter.

 

I can buy into anything that leads to a GE, the end of Johnson and the destruction of the Tory party, along with Brexit.  
 
And that's looking more likely every day, 
 
As to your quoted 'realities'  ???????????? 

What’s the relevance of surrendering to the EU as a vassal state and your buying into that leading to a GE?
Au contraire mon ami Europhile. Brexit is looking more likely as Boris fills his cabinet. Tory party? Well they’ll out live Corby and the rest of the previously party faithful has woken up to their lies now.

I just found out his real name is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson   

He should have dropped Boris , weird name for a politician.

 

 

 

 

And Benny Hill had more integrity than the other two combined.

Does it take much to have that ?


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As we know, Boris is now PM and throwing out the chaff from the cabinet.

Well done Boris, and may your term be at least amusing.

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

As we know, Boris is now PM and throwing out the chaff from the cabinet.

Well done Boris, and may your term be at least amusing.

I think S.Baker is right. Boris is neutering the ERG.

 

He is attempting to switch the UK public focus sway from Brexit onto domestic issues. Giving leading leave proponents cabinet posts will have the consequence of collective responsibility and their energy focused on their departments as opposed the EU.

 

What is Boris end game?

Petsonnally i suspect it is a softening up of the public, sidelining brexiteer MPs for his next change of mind

 

 

On 7/23/2019 at 7:03 PM, evadgib said:

the Tilbrook case hasn't gone away...

I prefer Glenn Tilbrook's anslysis:

"And so it's my assumption, we're really up the junction..."

36 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

I prefer Glenn Tilbrook's anslysis:

"And so it's my assumption, we're really up the junction..."

Appreciated, however this quote seen elsewhere gives food for thought:

Quote

I think the 31st Oct won't happen, the Tilbrook case is the logical way towards, all Boris has to do is withdraw the government's defence from the case, this saves time and money

 

On 7/25/2019 at 8:40 PM, 7by7 said:

You right, you don't.

 

But if you want to be taken seriously then when you claim something is a fact, as you often do, then you should provide evidence to back up that claim, which you never do.

 

I see you still refuse to say why you consider May's deal to be a surrender. No surprise there.

 

Yes, Boris changed his mind; yet again. But he won't allow the British public the opportunity to do the same!

 

But as you seem to think it's ok for Boris to change his mind, you presumably agree that the British public should be given that opportunity. To say Boris can change his mind but we can't is hypocrisy at best.

 

 

From his speech yesterday outside No. 10 yesterday:

In other words; May's deal with a slightly different Irish backstop.

 

If he hasn't got the EU's agreement to his tweaked deal by 31st October will he pull us out with no deal, or will he seek an extension to Article 50? Given his past, my money's on the latter.

 

I really don't care if you take me seriously or not, but I won't dance to your tune. Ask all you like for evidence or links, whatever, but I won't be providing any for your fun. You have had it before and then you've had it removed - it's no surprise that the deletions are your (collective Remainers) idea of fun. 

We don't know yet if Boris has 'changed his mind' under the current circumstances. There were three WAG votes - what was his average?  I don't believe the Remainer protestations that the British public has changed its' mind and certainly don't believe those particular flip-flops are entitled to another opportunity to vote on it. Once in a lifetime and they've had it.
If you think he'll go for an extension, take it to the bookies. They'll be more interested in your opinion and money than I am.

On ‎7‎/‎26‎/‎2019 at 5:51 AM, balo said:

I just found out his real name is Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson   

He should have dropped Boris , weird name for a politician.

 

 

 

 

It serves his purposes.

So, yet again, who is this "Boris" Johnson?

Good luck UK. You're gonna need it.

 

Quote

 

Boris Johnson plays a clown. He’s really just a power-hungry nihilist.

It’s artifice all the way down with Britain’s new prime minister.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/07/24/boris-johnson-plays-clown-hes-really-just-power-hungry-nihilist/

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It serves his purposes.

So, yet again, who is this "Boris" Johnson?

Good luck UK. You're gonna need it.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/07/24/boris-johnson-plays-clown-hes-really-just-power-hungry-nihilist/

And that article just about say it all about where he will lead the nation - nowhere

We can argue all we want and I will be the first to admit that I do not like him, he is from the wrong side of the tracks for me and stands for inequality in British politics.

 

But he seems to be the only hope the Brits have of trying to get out of this mess. If he loses the election (that is coming) as far as I am concerned, as a lifelong left of centre person, I would hate to see the Corbynistas take power. I hate Johnson but I hate them more.

I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt and hope (pray) he turns out to be a good PM for the country even though he's not my cup of tea. Go Boris ;+)

On ‎7‎/‎26‎/‎2019 at 4:05 AM, evadgib said:

On ‎7‎/‎26‎/‎2019 at 3:26 AM, lamyai3 said:

I prefer Glenn Tilbrook's anslysis:

"And so it's my assumption, we're really up the junction..."

Appreciated, however this quote seen elsewhere gives food for thought:

Quote

I think the 31st Oct won't happen, the Tilbrook case is the logical way towards, all Boris has to do is withdraw the government's defence from the case, this saves time and money

 

Why not say who said it and where?

 

It's like your refusal to say on what programme Rees-Mogg 'had the BBC for breakfast.'