TM 30. Why are they treating us all like criminals?

[kellersphuket]

I'm sorry, but having to report your whereabouts to a police station every time you go to another province is beyond ludicrous. It's gone way too far now. I would expect this kind of behavior from North Korea.. We are through the looking glass here guys, its painfully clear that they consider us all criminals that need to be watched.

 

Why are they doing this??? Are they terrified of us taking over or what? They must really be scared of us. All i see are policies that hurt the foreigner, never help. They must really hate us to keep taking measures like these.. DO Thais have to do the same in other countries where they live? If they live in the states do they also have to report there whereabouts every time they cross a state line? How about in the UK? Australia?

 

It begs the question, whats next? I mean it would seem that the sky is the limit now for what ridiculous policy will be thought up next. I can guarantee that whatever they come up with will not benefit any of us.. Like it or not, if you are on a Non IMM visa or extension we are all in the same boat and that boat is sinking fast!!

 

BTW, I am not playing by TM 30 rules. I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of watching me jump through their sadistic hoops. They can stick their TM 30 where the sun don't shine. Just give me my 7 day notice period and let me get the hell out of here!!

Edited August 10, 2019 by kellersphuket

[Briggsy]

It is more to do with dysfunction.

 

At ministerial level, an instruction will come down. It might only be one sentence.

This will be converted to a system by senior civil servants involving stamps, lots of paper, lots of forms and fines. That is the way they do things.

Finally it will filter down to front-line civil servants who will find it unworkable and their office heads who will turn it into a revenue-raising scheme. 

 

What doesn't happen :

 

Negative feedback going back up the chain. This would be like criticising seniors, not done in Thailand.

Pilot projects. Not done in the Thai public sector

Consideration of effect on the public (in this case landlords, foreigners, hotels). Not done in Thailand. 

Review of the original purpose vs actual result. Not done in Thailand (somebody may look incompetent)

 

[wgdanson]

Why do you need 7 days notice, why not just eff off now?

[worgeordie]

Because a tiny minority here are criminals,and Immigration are giving the majority

of honest retiree's here a hard time because of this,short sighted on the part

of immigration in my view,as people who are here,illegally or are criminals,

won't be reporting anyway.

regards worgeordie

 

[CharlieH]

According to you , you are off to the Philippines anyway !! Or is this just another excuse to post negativity and convince yourself you are doing the right thing ?

[kellersphuket]

6 minutes ago, wgdanson said:

Why do you need 7 days notice, why not just eff off now?

I'm not a quitter. I'd rather be kicked out then I know for sure I am not wanted.

[Old Croc]

7 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

It is more to do with dysfunction.

 

At ministerial level, an instruction will come down. It might only be one sentence.

This will be converted to a system by senior civil servants involving stamps, lots of paper, lots of forms and fines. That is the way they do things.

Finally it will filter down to front-line civil servants who will find it unworkable and their office heads who will turn it into a revenue-raising scheme. 

 

What doesn't happen :

 

Negative feedback going back up the chain. This would be like criticising seniors, not done in Thailand.

Pilot projects. Not done in the Thai public sector

Consideration of effect on the public (in this case landlords, foreigners, hotels). Not done in Thailand. 

Review of the original purpose vs actual result. Not done in Thailand (somebody may look incompetent)

 

Just about to write a similar post. You said it much better and completely.

[kellersphuket]

1 minute ago, CharlieH said:

According to you , you are off to the Philippines anyway !! Or is this just another excuse to post negativity and convince yourself you are doing the right thing ?

Not everything in life is positive Charlie. Take a look at the first half of the 20th century. would you have said to all those murdered at the hands of tyrannical governments that it was their attitude that caused it?

 

Don't kid yourself bro!

[CharlieH]

2 minutes ago, kellersphuket said:

Not everything in life is positive Charlie. Take a look at the first half of the 20th century. would you have said to all those murdered at the hands of tyrannical governments that it was their attitude that caused it?

 

Don't kid yourself bro!

Not everything has to be viewed negative either, it depends entirely on your attitude toward it, things are only a problem if you allow them to be.

[BestB]

5 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

Because a tiny minority here are criminals,and Immigration are giving the majority

of honest retiree's here a hard time because of this,short sighted on the part

of immigration in my view,as people who are here,illegally or are criminals,

won't be reporting anyway.

regards worgeordie

 

I do not think it’s the case at all. There is a law, they decided to apply this law. In typical Thai way of doing things no one thought through the consequences or logistics of it .

 

By law, landlords must do the reports which landlords do not do, so instead of working on that, they once again took an easy route without thinking by fining and forcing people.

 

Sooner or later it will backfire , just like everything else did and does, then they rethink it and come up with something less idiotic, but to keep the face it would be less idiot but just as annoying .

 

just look at what is happening . They claim rich Indians save tourism , which never happened , so to ride the wave they introducing free visa for them. As if rich were bothered by the visa fee, same with kaosan road, hotel license and everything else 

[CharlieH]

They do these things and don't think or consider the consequences for the end user. Why ? because they don't have to do it,. it doesn't effect their daily life. A selfish attitude, but that's the way they do things generally.IMHO

[kellersphuket]

3 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

Not everything has to be viewed negative either, it depends entirely on your attitude toward it, things are only a problem if you allow them to be.

I dont want you get into an argument with you Charlie as you are a Mod and I respect that. However, your analogy makes no sense at all. Things happen to you everyday, good and bad, positive and negative, most of which is out of an individuals control. These policies that have been enforced by immigration are a major inconvenience and infringement on basic human rights IMO. Changing my attitude towards it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference to what is a ludicrous policy made by equally ludicrous people.

[Lungstib]

4 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

things are only a problem if you allow them to be.

If you actually think that you, and only you, are in control of what happens in your life then you are deluding yourself. Outside influences, new rules, wrongful arrest, sickness etc. can utterly ruin your life regardless of your 'positive' attitude.

[kellersphuket]

6 minutes ago, Lungstib said:

If you actually think that you, and only you, are in control of what happens in your life then you are deluding yourself. Outside influences, new rules, wrongful arrest, sickness etc. can utterly ruin your life regardless of your 'positive' attitude.

so true. I was wrongfully arrested for domestic violence back in the 80's I almost lost everything due to my ex girlfriend making bogus claims that I beat her up. Luckily the cops saw through her lies and no charges where brought. My attitude in that situation had nothing to do with anything!

[CharlieH]

8 minutes ago, Lungstib said:

If you actually think that you, and only you, are in control of what happens in your life then you are deluding yourself. Outside influences, new rules, wrongful arrest, sickness etc. can utterly ruin your life regardless of your 'positive' attitude.

No one is saying that you are in control of "what happens in your life", but you are in total control of how you view it and react to it. 

[darksidedog]

To my mind, much of the aggravation we are subject to, along with the continuous negative press coverage, is simply a diversion, which seeks to blame much of the country's ills on us, rather than its leaders. It is a classic symptom of an unstable government to lay blame anywhere but itself. TBH, I have never done a TM30 and like the OP, don't intend to.

[Matzzon]

31 minutes ago, kellersphuket said:

I'm not a quitter. I'd rather be kicked out then I know for sure I am not wanted.

So, then you turned it around and fool yourself into belive a lie?

[kellersphuket]

4 minutes ago, darksidedog said:

To my mind, much of the aggravation we are subject to, along with the continuous negative press coverage, is simply a diversion, which seeks to blame much of the country's ills on us, rather than its leaders. It is a classic symptom of an unstable government to lay blame anywhere but itself. TBH, I have never done a TM30 and like the OP, don't intend to.

why dont they just come out and say it? that they dont want us here anymore. It would be better for all involved, then we would know where we truly stand (not that we dont already). I havent seen a single policy enacted that benefits the foreigner. it's all about tightening the screws and suffocating us till we tap out.

[Matzzon]

Hey OP, I do belive you got this all wrong.

"TM 30. Why are they treating us all like criminals?"

It is like this: If you do your TM30 you are abiding the law, and if not you are breaking it. Therefore beeing treated like a criminal.

The one who break the law in the country they reside in, is always considered criminals.

[Old Croc]

24 minutes ago, Lungstib said:

32 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

things are only a problem if you allow them to be.

If you actually think that you, and only you, are in control of what happens in your life then you are deluding yourself. Outside influences, new rules, wrongful arrest, sickness etc. can utterly ruin your life regardless of your 'positive' attitude.

Some people sail through life, encountering only small roadblocks along the way, and believe their attitudes, or health and exercise practices, are the answer for all others.  Selfish thinking. 

Different people have different problems, some very serious, and it's not just a matter of positive attitudes that will alleviate all of life's travails. Tell Colin to stop whinging, his problem will evaporate if he allows it. The kid with cancer shouldn't allow it to happen.

As someone also in a wheelchair and dealing with constant pain, tell me that having to report to Immigration for idiot reasons won't be a physically painful exercise. (Been instructed I have to report my 90 dayers in person - doesn't work on line)

[Peterw42]

11 minutes ago, darksidedog said:

To my mind, much of the aggravation we are subject to, along with the continuous negative press coverage, is simply a diversion, which seeks to blame much of the country's ills on us, rather than its leaders. It is a classic symptom of an unstable government to lay blame anywhere but itself. TBH, I have never done a TM30 and like the OP, don't intend to.

What will you do if your next 90day/extension gets refused until you pay a fine and do one.

[ChipButty]

16 minutes ago, darksidedog said:

To my mind, much of the aggravation we are subject to, along with the continuous negative press coverage, is simply a diversion, which seeks to blame much of the country's ills on us, rather than its leaders. It is a classic symptom of an unstable government to lay blame anywhere but itself. TBH, I have never done a TM30 and like the OP, don't intend to.

This Dog has got balls

[Vacuum]

3 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

(Been instructed I have to report my 90 dayers in person - doesn't work on line)

You can send anyone to do your 90 day reports.

[The Cobra]

9 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

Some people sail through life, encountering only small roadblocks along the way, and believe their attitudes, or health and exercise practices, are the answer for all others.  Selfish thinking. 

Different people have different problems, some very serious, and it's not just a matter of positive attitudes that will alleviate all of life's travails. Tell Colin to stop whinging, his problem will evaporate if he allows it. The kid with cancer shouldn't allow it to happen.

As someone also in a wheelchair and dealing with constant pain, tell me that having to report to Immigration for idiot reasons won't be a physically painful exercise. (Been instructed I have to report my 90 dayers in person - doesn't work on line)

Anyone can pull on extremes to make a point. Those examples are extreme not "in general". But the person in a wheelchair can sink ink into a wow is me or go the other way as Colin does and say NO I am going to do the best I can with what I have and this won't beat me, that attitude ! and refusing to let something or a situation beat you. Big difference.

Edited August 10, 2019 by The Cobra

[Old Croc]

5 minutes ago, Vacuum said:

You can send anyone to do your 90 day reports.

Really?  That's probably why My GF did them for me for about 5 years, until they told her I had to front up because they had a new drive through.

(Before your next attack, sitting in a car for more than an hour is a painful experience for me) 

Edited August 10, 2019 by Old Croc

[ChipButty]

6 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

Some people sail through life, encountering only small roadblocks along the way, and believe their attitudes, or health and exercise practices, are the answer for all others.  Selfish thinking. 

Different people have different problems, some very serious, and it's not just a matter of positive attitudes that will alleviate all of life's travails. Tell Colin to stop whinging, his problem will evaporate if he allows it. The kid with cancer shouldn't allow it to happen.

As someone also in a wheelchair and dealing with constant pain, tell me that having to report to Immigration for idiot reasons won't be a physically painful exercise. (Been instructed I have to report my 90 dayers in person - doesn't work on line)

I also know someone who maybe not as bad as you but has great difficulty moving around went back to the USA for treatment and when he got back here wasn't in the best of health after a long flight sent a friend to do TM 30 the immigration wouldn't accept it he had to come in person when he did manage to get there he got fined 3500 Baht, Now that is Bollicks 

[Old Croc]

5 minutes ago, The Cobra said:

Anyone can pull on extremes to make a point. Those examples are extreme not "in general". But the person in a wheelchair can sink ink into a wow is me or go the other way as Colin does and say NO I am going to do the best I can with what I have and this won't beat me, that attitude ! and refusing to let something or a situation beat you. Big difference.

Did you mean woe is me. 

I've been posting here for 13 years, were you aware of my medical status before this?

[The Cobra]

When are people going to realise and accept that you comply, pay the fine or leave ! That's it you can follow the law, which has ALWAYS been there, just not enforced. Pay a fine if you don't do it, or just leave because you can't do step one or two.

 

Bitching moaning complaining getting all bitter and twisted achieves NOTHING ! You have no say, no vote, you either do it or don't. 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

Did you mean woe is me. 

I've been posting here for 13 years, were you aware of my medical status before this?

I have no idea of your medical status then or now, and whether you have been here 13 yrs or 13 days bares no relevance to the discussion as far as I can see. ,(No offence intended)

Edited August 10, 2019 by The Cobra

[IvorBiggun2]

1 hour ago, worgeordie said:

Because a tiny minority here are criminals,and Immigration are giving the majority

of honest retiree's here a hard time because of this

But it isn't the honest retiree who has to submit the TM 30. Why to people on this forum keep harping on about it? Look at any other forum and the's zilch threads on it. If any ones a criminal in Thailand then he'll be found working in an IO.

[Vacuum]

21 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

Really?  That's probably why My GF did them for me for about 5 years, until they told her I had to front up because they had a new drive through.

(Before your next attack, sitting in a car for more than an hour is a painful experience for me) 

I could be wrong, but don't they have a rule about the drive through thingy that says no agents? And perhaps they thought your wife was an agent.