Is the closure of your favorite bar or restaurant imminent?

[Leaver]

On 9/30/2022 at 4:50 AM, PJ71 said:

sounds like you, as so many before, have been 'burned' by having skin in the game.

 

Maybe that's why you're so pessimistic?

 

Never had a property, business, or Thai girl friend.  Never sent money for a sick buffalo.  I have nothing I can't walk away from and head straight to the airport, should I ever need to, or want to. 

 

I suppose you found optimism in the shut down of the world's economy due to covid, and now the war in Ukraine, and it's effect on the global economy. 

 

You continually troll and are off topic.

[Leaver]

20 hours ago, VBF said:

Not necessarily.  You might be keeping it open by injecting your savings into it "hoping" for an improvement "some day".

Over the years I've met several bar owners who did just that...some got lucky, others didn't.

 

I agree. 

 

Many are propping up "the dream" with their savings, but eventually the money runs out, or they sell at a fire sale, or walk away. 

 

I simply make the point that, just because a business remains open, despite constantly have very little customers, doesn't mean it's viable, let alone successful, and such businesses are destined to close.

 

Interesting for those that poured a lot of money into new builds.  Eg. The Warehouse, Bling, High Rollers etc.  That's a lot of money to recoup, after expenses, let alone, turn a profit. 

 

Edited October 1, 2022 by Leaver

[Leaver]

20 hours ago, VBF said:

Not necessarily.  You might be keeping it open by injecting your savings into it "hoping" for an improvement "some day".

Over the years I've met several bar owners who did just that...some got lucky, others didn't.

 

Duplicate post removed. 

 

Edited October 1, 2022 by Leaver

[PJ71]

5 minutes ago, Leaver said:

Never had a property, business, or Thai girl friend.  Never sent money for a sick buffalo. 

yeah ok......honest guv - lol.

 

6 minutes ago, Leaver said:

I suppose you found optimism in the shut down of the world's economy due to covid, and now the war in Ukraine, and it's effect on the global economy. 

It did n't bother me either way tbh.

 

What about casino's, still think they're coming - lol

[Leaver]

6 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Seems to vary depending on what day..... weekends yes. I was out Wednesday night and would not describe it as being busy. 

 

Sometimes I'm out on weekends, sometimes week nights. 

 

For sure weekends are busier, but I would not describe Pattaya as "thriving" "rammed" "packed" or "booming" even on weekends. 

 

In my opinion, Pattaya is not back to 1/10/19 numbers. 

[Leaver]

2 hours ago, PJ71 said:

What were the names of the bars you were in

 

Fair question. 

[PJ71]

20 minutes ago, Leaver said:

In my opinion, Pattaya is not back to 1/10/19 numbers

lol.

[Leaver]

35 minutes ago, PJ71 said:

What about casino's, still think they're coming

 

Yes, not far behind the legalization of cannabis, which you said would NEVER happen.  ????

 

  https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/tourism/does-thailand-need-casinos-study-to-be-submitted-next-month

[Leaver]

9 minutes ago, PJ71 said:

lol.

 

Back on topic, 40 million tourists to 3.78 million tourists to date, despite covid restrictions being lifted. 

 

The big bounce back never came.  Some say many are waiting for high season.  We'll find out soon enough. 

[PJ71]

2 minutes ago, Leaver said:

Yes, not far behind the legalization of cannabis, which you said would NEVER happen

Correct, i'm still surprised about the legalisation of weed, it's brilliant. No doubt you knew it was gonna happen, right?

 

You've been suggesting for a long time casino's are coming, may i ask where they are - lol.

 

ps - i've started another thread for you to tell us all when, how, why all the casino's are planned for, i;ll get some popcorn ready for your waffle.

[PJ71]

7 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

Yes, not far behind the legalization of cannabis, which you said would NEVER happen.  ????

 

  https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/tourism/does-thailand-need-casinos-study-to-be-submitted-next-month

Another worthless link that proves nothing:

 

''will submit a study on the feasibility of bringing casinos, and casino resorts to Thailand''

[Leaver]

9 hours ago, PJ71 said:

Correct, i'm still surprised about the legalisation of weed, it's brilliant. No doubt you knew it was gonna happen, right?

 

No, I didn't know it was going to happen. 

 

The funny thing was, after it actually happened, you kept banging on how it would never happen, even when it was actually happening, and even after it had happened.  Too funny.  ???? 

 

9 hours ago, PJ71 said:

You've been suggesting for a long time casino's are coming, may i ask where they are

 

They are at the government feasibility study stage, I believe. 

 

I have always said, "not if, just when" which doesn't state a year, but they are coming, for sure. 

 

They are already way behind Vietnam and Cambodia, who have been offering gambling as a tourist activity for many years.

 

9 hours ago, PJ71 said:

ps - i've started another thread for you to tell us all when, how, why all the casino's are planned for, i;ll get some popcorn ready for your waffle.

 

I have already posted in that thread.  I think it will be moved because you did not specify Pattaya as getting a casino.

 

Getting back on topic, when casinos arrive, depending on their style, they may cause bar and restaurant closures around them.   

 

 

Edited October 1, 2022 by Leaver

[PJ71]

1 minute ago, Leaver said:

Getting back on topic, when casinos arrive, depending on their style, they may cause bar and restaurant closures around them.   

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Leaver]

9 hours ago, PJ71 said:

Another worthless link that proves nothing:

 

''will submit a study on the feasibility of bringing casinos, and casino resorts to Thailand''

 

A lot of chatter in the industry.

 

A couple more "worthless" links for you to embarrass yourself with even more. 

 

https://www.casino.org/news/thailands-casino-plans-cause-mixed-reactions-among-industry-insiders/

 

https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/17386/thailand-takes-first-step-towards-casino-development

 

"Should the final recommendations of a government committee exploring the possibility of casinos be put into action, there could be up to five venues to start. The details are now under review by the House of Representatives, but still need approval by other government bodies."

 

So, as of August 2022, it's under review by the House of Representatives. 

[Leaver]

6 minutes ago, PJ71 said:

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

No doubt newative will be along to say that the 3 nightclubs, 10 restaurants, 5 sports bars, 3 cocktail bars, 4 cafes etc etc inside the casino will have absolutely ZERO effect on surrounding businesses.  ????

[champers]

30 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

No doubt newative will be along to say that the 3 nightclubs, 10 restaurants, 5 sports bars, 3 cocktail bars, 4 cafes etc etc inside the casino will have absolutely ZERO effect on surrounding businesses.  ????

You do understand that casinos will be bringing new and extra custom to Pattaya? It isn't a case of "either/or" for those already here.

Edited October 1, 2022 by champers

[jacko45k]

20 hours ago, PJ71 said:

What were the names of the bars you were in, all the patrons and staff, plus their home address's? Can you also ask for full book keeping for the night you were there.

 

Thanks.

No idea why you are trolling here.....  you could try being a xxxx somewhere else perhaps. Suffice to say, it was NOT busy! 

[aussiexpat]

Still haven't read of a single "favourite bar" that closed in the 160 pages of this thread other than Retox, which is now replaced by a much better Hemmingways

 

Edited October 2, 2022 by aussiexpat

[jacko45k]

2 minutes ago, aussiexpat said:

Still haven't read of a single "favourite bar" that closed in this thread other than Retox, which is now replaced by a much better Hemmingways

Pig and Whistle?

[aussiexpat]

2 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Pig and Whistle?

That closed before this thread was started. Became "Big and Whistle" for awhile as new owner didn't like pigs???? 

[jacko45k]

55 minutes ago, aussiexpat said:

That closed before this thread was started. Became "Big and Whistle" for awhile as new owner didn't like pigs???? 

Or buying new signs?

[kinyara]

8 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

No doubt newative will be along to say that the 3 nightclubs, 10 restaurants, 5 sports bars, 3 cocktail bars, 4 cafes etc etc inside the casino will have absolutely ZERO effect on surrounding businesses.  ????

Economically it will have a positive effect on not only surrounding businesses but the city overall by bringing in more customers. You only need to look at how modern day Las Vegas transformed itself through a casino plus entertainment based model to see the benefits it could bring. 

[kinyara]

1 hour ago, aussiexpat said:

Still haven't read of a single "favourite bar" that closed in the 160 pages of this thread other than Retox, which is now replaced by a much better Hemmingways

 

Don't expect to, which is why Leaver can only continually deflect, go off topic,  speculate generally about the future rather than produce any compelling current real world evidence of a significant change in the viability of the Pattaya hospitality scene.  No-one denies the odd place will close as per normal.

[Leaver]

12 hours ago, champers said:

You do understand that casinos will be bringing new and extra custom to Pattaya? It isn't a case of "either/or" for those already here.

 

The casino may be resort style.  I would be surprised if it's not.  That means, everything in house, from salons to massage, from pools to sports bars etc etc.

 

As I have said before, you have 5 Star resorts here, but step outside your resort and you are in 3rd World infrastructure.  Eg. sidewalks. 

 

People with money to gamble with may simply stay inside the resort, where everything is of a high standard.

[Leaver]

5 hours ago, jacko45k said:

No idea why you are trolling here.....  you could try being a xxxx somewhere else perhaps. Suffice to say, it was NOT busy! 

 

Your observations are similar to mine. 

 

In my opinion, the numbers are not back to low season 2019 numbers. 

[champers]

55 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

The casino may be resort style.  I would be surprised if it's not.  That means, everything in house, from salons to massage, from pools to sports bars etc etc.

 

As I have said before, you have 5 Star resorts here, but step outside your resort and you are in 3rd World infrastructure.  Eg. sidewalks. 

 

People with money to gamble with may simply stay inside the resort, where everything is of a high standard.

Unless these "resorts" have their own beerbars, karaokes and go-gos the guests will be venturing out and dodgy pavements will not deter them.

[Leaver]

On 10/2/2022 at 6:17 AM, champers said:

Unless these "resorts" have their own beerbars, karaokes and go-gos the guests will be venturing out and dodgy pavements will not deter them.

 

No shortage of "in house services" in all the casinos I have been in, all around the world. 

[Leaver]

On 10/2/2022 at 1:14 AM, kinyara said:

Don't expect to, which is why Leaver can only continually deflect, go off topic,  speculate generally about the future rather than produce any compelling current real world evidence of a significant change in the viability of the Pattaya hospitality scene.  No-one denies the odd place will close as per normal.

 

Soi Baukhao.

 

https://www.bahtsold.com/view/long-established-business-in-pattaya-474814

 

Another on Soi Baukhao.

 

https://www.bahtsold.com/view/nice-bar-for-take-over-474808

 

And another on Soi Baukhao.

 

https://www.bahtsold.com/view/2-5-unit-1-floor-agogo-in-soi-buakhao-474652

 

Soi LK Metro.

 

https://www.bahtsold.com/view/bar-for-take-over-lk-metro-474818

 

The above is just a snap shot.

 

Now, there's no possible way any of the above establishments could be one of anyone's favorite place, and, of course, they will all continue to be here, forever, despite being for sale, and being in the the center on the adult nightlife in Pattaya.  

 

They must be selling ion the "booming" "rammed" thriving" "packed" time, in order to get a good price.   ???? 

 

 

[PJ71]

On 10/2/2022 at 12:18 PM, Leaver said:

People with money to gamble with may simply stay inside the resort, where everything is of a high standard.

lol

[Leaver]

On 10/10/2022 at 1:07 AM, PJ71 said:

lol

 

Why would they step outside from a 5 Star resort, into The 3rd World?  ????