Is the closure of your favorite bar or restaurant imminent?

[Phil McCaverty]

21 minutes ago, Leaver said:

How can you be so sure?

 

Pattaya's most popular sports bar, Retox, is for sale. 

 

7 minutes ago, Leaver said:

I never suggested it was.

 

I am merely saying that if one of the most, if not the most, popular sports bar in Pattaya is for sale, what makes you so confident your favorite sports bar will remain open, into the future? 

I think you did. Had me going there for a minute.555

[TaaSaparot]

8 hours ago, Leaver said:

How can you be so sure?

 

Pattaya's most popular sports bar, Retox, is for sale. 

What bar is not for sale?

[redwood1]

Well the impossible happened today.......I noticed about 4 Indian Restaurants in act of closing down......Real lets remove every thing from the shop closing down....But loads more are closed but still not completely out of business..... 

[Leaver]

On 5/20/2020 at 4:38 PM, TaaSaparot said:

What bar is not for sale?

Sure, but that advertisement was dated the 30th March, when the virus had not caused so much economic damage.  Either they were selling anyway, or could see the writing on the wall.  

[Leaver]

On 5/21/2020 at 7:45 AM, redwood1 said:

Well the impossible happened today.......I noticed about 4 Indian Restaurants in act of closing down......Real lets remove every thing from the shop closing down....But loads more are closed but still not completely out of business..... 

How do you know they were closing down?  Maybe they have negotiated a cheaper lease elsewhere and are simply moving. 

[Phil McCaverty]

11 minutes ago, Leaver said:

How do you know they were closing down?  Maybe they have negotiated a cheaper lease elsewhere and are simply moving. 

How do you know Retox is closing down?

[Leaver]

6 minutes ago, Phil McCaverty said:

How do you know Retox is closing down?

I never said Retox is closing down.  Retox is for sale, and I posted the link.

 

However, if one of the most popular sports bars in Pattaya, if not the most popular, wants out, then that's a sign of the times.  

[redwood1]

29 minutes ago, Leaver said:

How do you know they were closing down?  Maybe they have negotiated a cheaper lease elsewhere and are simply moving. 

Well I did not go and interview the owners personally.....But removing ever last thing from a shop says 100% CLOSED to me.......No ones going to negotiate a new lease at a new location now any ways,a landlord would be a fool to do this...Zero rent shops are not to popular with landlords...

[Leaver]

38 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

No ones going to negotiate a new lease at a new location now any ways,a landlord would be a fool to do this..

I think this issue is something we are going to see more of in the near future. 

 

In the past, wealthy Thai landlords could afford to have their commercial properties vacant for some time, whilst holding out for the next dreamer to start up a lease that was designed to fail from the outset.  Those dreamers were decreasing in numbers, rapidly, along with the shrinking western tourism market.

 

Do Thai landlords negotiate, or do Thai landlords evict?  Do Thai landlords try to retain their current tenant, or possibly see them move to another property where the rent is more favorable?  

 

Some tenants may stay put, regardless.  Some tenants will just hand back the keys.  Some tenants will seek a better deal out of necessity and / or good business practice. 

 

Some of our favorite bars and restaurants may still be operating after the virus crisis has passed, albeit, some may be at a different location. 

[HashBrownHarry]

9 hours ago, Leaver said:

I think this issue is something we are going to see more of in the near future. 

 

In the past, wealthy Thai landlords could afford to have their commercial properties vacant for some time, whilst holding out for the next dreamer to start up a lease that was designed to fail from the outset.  Those dreamers were decreasing in numbers, rapidly, along with the shrinking western tourism market.

 

Do Thai landlords negotiate, or do Thai landlords evict?  Do Thai landlords try to retain their current tenant, or possibly see them move to another property where the rent is more favorable?  

 

Some tenants may stay put, regardless.  Some tenants will just hand back the keys.  Some tenants will seek a better deal out of necessity and / or good business practice. 

 

Some of our favorite bars and restaurants may still be operating after the virus crisis has passed, albeit, some may be at a different location. 

Well, thanks for that post about thai landlords, there's absolutely no point to this post.

[bkk6060]

I am starting to have different thoughts about the recovery of this place.

Walking and riding around seeing so many "for sale" "for rent" or buildings with a prior business that is now a gutted shell.  Even a couple of 7-11's that were fairly popular now gutted.

I hate to see any place fail, but it seems they are a long way away from any recovery here.

Maybe a year if there is a vaccine.  But, even then seems some have just packed up and left forever.

And the malls reopened.  Yesterday went to Terminal 21 and Marina. Usually Saturday even with locals and Bangkonians there is some business.  The restaurants were mostly empty even the food court at 21 was dead.  6 or more employees at many restaurants just standing nothing to do.  How long can they keep paying them with no customers?  Very sad times for the restaurant businesses here, or anywhere I guess.

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, redwood1 said:

Well if they want to revive the malls they ABSOLUTELY MUST SCRAP the need for the QR code and the temp gun in ALL RESTAURANTS AND SHOPS...

That's not the dealbreaker it's the social distancing in restaurants and no alcohol. Might as well do takeaways until Corona blows over

[TaaSaparot]

I despair ...

 

[Phil McCaverty]

52 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

That's not the dealbreaker it's the social distancing in restaurants and no alcohol. Might as well do takeaways until Corona blows over

Been for lunch a couple of times at Bake 'n Brew. Divisions between tables but not at tables. Apart from staff wearing masks, all pretty normal really. As I don't drink during the day, enjoyed my lunch as much as always.

[TaaSaparot]

Is Kiss struggling?

 

[Phil McCaverty]

1 minute ago, TaaSaparot said:

Is Kiss struggling?

 

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They wouldn't get my patronage even if it was free.

[champers]

4 minutes ago, TaaSaparot said:

Is Kiss struggling?

 

I know the Naklua branch is closed and never went down the takeout/delivery route. Don't know about the other 3 branches.

[scubascuba3]

38 minutes ago, Phil McCaverty said:

Been for lunch a couple of times at Bake 'n Brew. Divisions between tables but not at tables. Apart from staff wearing masks, all pretty normal really. As I don't drink during the day, enjoyed my lunch as much as always.

i rarely drink alcohol at restaurants, but at Thai BBQs i always have a large Chang, it's almost mandatory so can't go there

[Phil McCaverty]

4 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

i rarely drink alcohol at restaurants, but at Thai BBQs i always have a large Chang, it's almost mandatory so can't go there

Me too, but I think Moo Katha restaurants are going to struggle to adapt to the new rules anyway.

[DrTuner]

3 hours ago, TaaSaparot said:

I despair ...

 

Finally, a quiet and nice dinner companion. Although I bet in Japan those will talk. Freaky.

[TaaSaparot]

6 hours ago, DrTuner said:

Finally, a quiet and nice dinner companion. Although I bet in Japan those will talk. Freaky.

Not Japan, that is BBQ Plaza, a Moo Grataa type chain in Thailand.

[kinyara]

I was in Central yesterday and it was pretty unappealing generally. I like to just sit down for a coffee and donut during a visit and watch the passing circus, but the Dunkin Donuts has been reduced to I think it was 4 spaced out single tables. Totally sterile with all the atmosphere of a morgue so I just didn't bother. Even the attractive violinist trying to liven things up was wearing the plastic full face welders mask. We've got to hope some normality returns soon, the current set up in some of the mall eateries is unsustainable. 

[TaaSaparot]

New bar, all ready to open when allowed in Soi made in Thailand.

 

 

[HashBrownHarry]

5 minutes ago, TaaSaparot said:

New bar, all ready to open when allowed in Soi made in Thailand.

 

 

So what, it resembles to other 1000 beer bars in pattaya that are equally as grim IMO.

[Phil McCaverty]

10 minutes ago, HashBrownHarry said:

So what, it resembles to other 1000 beer bars in pattaya that are equally as grim IMO.

No, its had some serious money spent on that. For a beer bar in Soi MIT, madness, particularly in the present climate. Just proves the old adage, if you want to make a million on a bar in Pattaya, start with 2 million.

[HashBrownHarry]

1 minute ago, Phil McCaverty said:

No, its had some serious money spent on that. For a beer bar in Soi MIT, madness, particularly in the present climate. Just proves the old adage, if you want to make a million on a bar in Pattaya, start with 2 million.

Serious money, looks at it, there's nothing to it, new tiles / seats / lights that's about it ( same as the others, albiet most are scabbier looking ).

[TaaSaparot]

1 hour ago, HashBrownHarry said:

So what

I just think its interesting among the doom and gloom that there is always someone who is giving it a go, no matter what the naysayers say.

[HashBrownHarry]

1 hour ago, TaaSaparot said:

I just think its interesting among the doom and gloom that there is always someone who is giving it a go, no matter what the naysayers say.

One would think more money than sense.

[Leaver]

3 hours ago, TaaSaparot said:

I just think its interesting among the doom and gloom that there is always someone who is giving it a go, no matter what the naysayers say.

I have no problem with someone buying a bar like this, if it's just a hobby for them and a place for them to socialize, albeit, an expensive and unhealthy hobby.  If they buy it just to have something to do every day, or for some fun, then fine.  

 

For those that think a 16 seat brick and tin roof bar, open only between 6pm and 2am, with rent somewhere from 30k to 50k baht a month, then other overheads on top, is going to break even, or make a profit, then as another member said, they have more money then sense. 

[kinyara]

9 hours ago, TaaSaparot said:

I just think its interesting among the doom and gloom that there is always someone who is giving it a go, no matter what the naysayers say.

It might be interesting if there wasn't as you say always someone doing it and looking at it, let's face it, it's just the same old same old that's been the look and formula for years.  Unless you're offering something different I really don't see the point.