Is the closure of your favorite bar or restaurant imminent?

[scubascuba3]

28 minutes ago, kingofthemountain said:

I wasn't a customer of the Biergarden, nor a fan of Marine disco

still imo they were iconics in the Pattaya's entertainment scene

like was also the Bamboo bar in the same area,now closed forever.

 

As i said wait and see for the Beergarden, the tourists return in

enough numbers could be only in 2022, it's a long wait even with a low lease

I'm not sure Bamboo is closed forever, I recall that Nick YouTuber guy saying mothballed. That place  was very popular so if the previous owner can't re-open someone else should 

[jacko45k]

6 hours ago, kingofthemountain said:

Few of them are not a big loss, but some iconic places are lost

Where are you thinking of specifically? For me Pattaya is no one specific place, The Beergarden, mentioned, is cited to reopen when the situation improves. 

[VBF]

23 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

The price of the $100,000 covid insurance is about £1,000 for a year, a good travel insurance for a year with £5m coverage was around £400 last time I bought it, some people will just not want to be milked by these requirements 

Good travel insurance as you describe, certainly that issued in the UK, includes Covid cover with far more than $100K cover.

Check out my thread here.....

 

 

[scubascuba3]

20 minutes ago, VBF said:

Good travel insurance as you describe, certainly that issued in the UK, includes Covid cover with far more than $100K cover.

Check out my thread here.....

 

 

and people have recently entered with that insurance? 

[Leaver]

50 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

The Beergarden, mentioned, is cited to reopen when the situation improves. 

I think that's the point he's trying to make.  The situation isn't going to improve into the foreseeable future, so how long does a business have to be closed, before we call it "closed?"

[Leaver]

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

That place  was very popular so if the previous owner can't re-open someone else should 

Who would buy it, and when? 

 

We are no where near the bottom of the market.   

[Leaver]

3 hours ago, new2here said:

Ive spoken casually to a few of the shift and GMs at the places I frequent and most say that for right now, it’s not a matter of “thrive” - they said the notion of a reliably turning a profit isn’t really out there realistically, but it’s more pure survival mode.... several have said that they really only have a shot at a “profit” on the weekends and the special long weekends... all the other days are either barely break even or small loss.

 

It sounds like you are referring to larger establishments, but for smaller businesses, profits may eventually return, but in the life cycle of their current lease, they would have operated at a loss.  So, that's no return on the initial investment, and no capital to buy the next lease.

 

You can see why many have walked away.  You would be effectively working for nothing, and losing more money by keeping the doors open.  Some may be propping up their business with their own savings or income from abroad, in the hope they can have something to sell at the end of covid, but the buyers will not be back for years.    

 

As leases come up for renewal over the next 12 months, you will see more closures.  

[jacko45k]

15 minutes ago, Leaver said:

I think that's the point he's trying to make.  The situation isn't going to improve into the foreseeable future, so how long does a business have to be closed, before we call it "closed?"

When they come and strip it bare....

With vaccines on the horizon things will improve.... and tourists will return for the sun. The Beergarden is a very good example of  a place that will survive, a rubbish GGB, an overpriced seafood restaurant over the sea, not..

[kingofthemountain]

2 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

I'm not sure Bamboo is closed forever, I recall that Nick YouTuber guy saying mothballed. That place  was very popular so if the previous owner can't re-open someone else should 

If i remember well i have seen a large ''for rent'' sign in front

but i need to check again in the next days,i am not 100% sure on this one

there are so many of these signs in the entire city now...

[kingofthemountain]

50 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

With vaccines on the horizon things will improve.... and tourists will return for the sun.

Don't hold your breath

even with a vaccine it could take years before the situation of the

western tourism return to a decent level, and during these times

a lot of tourists will have (Re)discovered than the sun is also not

far from their home, often at a better cost and with a better quality

of services and environment and without the language problem.

 

There is only one thing making since years Pattaya an outsider in

the world's tourism and it's not the beach nor the food or the shopping experience

we all know why all these bald big old guys spend fortunes and travel half the world

not for the sun, surely not

Edited November 30, 2020 by kingofthemountain

[VBF]

4 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

and people have recently entered with that insurance? 

No idea - I have gone over it "against the day" so to speak for use by tourists, like me.  I do know that the NW one paid me in full for the extra flight I bought in March toi return to UK.

Probably not much use if you're living in Thailand, obviously.

[TaaSaparot]

8 hours ago, polpott said:

The owner originally planned to close it until tourists return. However, he has renegotiated the lease and plans to reopen in the near future.

 

He renegotiated the lease back in April long before the re-opened.

[mstevens]

12 hours ago, Leaver said:

You can see why many have walked away.  You would be effectively working for nothing, and losing more money by keeping the doors open.  Some may be propping up their business with their own savings or income from abroad, in the hope they can have something to sell at the end of covid, but the buyers will not be back for years.   

 

Most of my friends are dying to get back to Pattaya. As soon as we get the green light we will be online buying our tickets and booking our hotels. It might be several months before we can get back but mark my words, when we are told the border will reopen and flights become available, we'll be making up for lost time. It's not just me and my friends, I bet there are guys all over the world dying to get back to Pattaya!

[kingdong]

On 11/25/2020 at 6:47 AM, polpott said:

Nope. I was enjoying my "holiday" in Thailand. 555

Then you obtained the benefit illegally.and its not meant to be for cooling or thai prostitutes.

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, ChakaKhan said:

a few of the 7-11s have closed but always another a few streets up.... ????

 

New 7 Elevens opening too, big one on Pratumnak Soi 5

[rott]

On 11/28/2020 at 5:04 PM, jacko45k said:

Can't seem to delete this, sorry. 

Tim's Bar (or Timbar if you prefer) has been closed the last two nights. 

Possibly another place waiting for happier times, possibly just having a few nights off. 

[jacko45k]

4 minutes ago, rott said:

Tim's Bar (or Timbar if you prefer) has been closed the last two nights. 

Possibly another place waiting for happier times, possibly just having a few nights off. 

Walked past only recently and got invited, but not a place I have used in some years.... happier days when I used to start early there with their Happy Hour, then on to soi 13/2 (Nevada, or might even have still been Las Vegas back then) for their Happy Hour. 

Edited December 2, 2020 by jacko45k

[polpott]

24 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Walked past only recently and got invited, but not a place I have used in some years.... happier days when I used to start early there with their Happy Hour, then on to soi 13/2 (Nevada, or might even have still been Las Vegas back then) for their Happy Hour. 

In the early days, I used to stay at the Intimate Hotel. Every night some little Thai runt would stand outside barring people's way and trying to intimidate them into entering the bar. Every night we would have verbals. For that reason alone, I never went in. Went past about a week ago, it was open but no customers and no runt.

[rott]

Yes I remember those days when it was just the small bar and they had live music on. 

The Las Vegas......... not many ex-punters of theirs about now. The well known bell ringer still is, but not seen very often. Though he may be caught outside by the Covid. 

[rott]

Ha ha, I remember the runt too, <deleted> nuisance. 

[Leaver]

On 11/30/2020 at 6:50 PM, jacko45k said:

When they come and strip it bare....

With vaccines on the horizon things will improve.... and tourists will return for the sun. The Beergarden is a very good example of  a place that will survive, a rubbish GGB, an overpriced seafood restaurant over the sea, not..

The lease holder would have to pay for some workers to strip out his assets from the premises, but who is he going to sell these assets to?  Who's going to buy them? 

 

Example, who is going to buy a pool table, drinks fridge, or bar / restaurant furnishings at the moment?    No one.  So, why would a lease holder pay workers to strip out assets when he can't sell them?  It's just another bill to pay.  Probably best to leave them in place and just walk away in the current climate.

 

Many businesses here have been said to be "mothballed" probably because the leaseholder's assets are still in place, but there's a good chance many of there are just "walk aways."  It's too early to know which businesses are truly mothballed and which businesses are done.  Time will tell.

 

As for the vaccine, can you define "horizon?" There's more to restarting tourism than just people receiving the vaccine.  I accept the vaccine is a big step forward, but flight frequency and prices, and open boarders, will need to be favourable, and then there is affordability for the masses and time off work, with many people around the world using up their savings and holiday time.  

[Leaver]

On 12/1/2020 at 7:29 AM, mstevens said:

 

Most of my friends are dying to get back to Pattaya. As soon as we get the green light we will be online buying our tickets and booking our hotels. It might be several months before we can get back but mark my words, when we are told the border will reopen and flights become available, we'll be making up for lost time. It's not just me and my friends, I bet there are guys all over the world dying to get back to Pattaya!

 

Have you considered, the Pattaya that you knew, will not be the Pattaya you will be coming back to?

 

You mention it might be several months before you can get back, how many more places will be closed by then?  

 

In a Youtube interview about 6 weeks ago, the owner of The Nightwish Group stated the company could continue in the current climate for about another 3 to 4 months.  They have around 25 bars on Soi 6.  Can you see the current climate improving for them before mid Feb 2021?  If they fold, that's pretty much all of Soi 6 done, and with many places on Walking Street still closed, nightlife here is severely impacted.   

 

Of course, the sex trade will still available,  but no where to the degree you and your friends will be accustom to here.  

 

It will be an individual's choice as to whether they race back to Pattaya to spend their hard earned, but I think many will hold off until Pattaya at least nears the Pattaya of old, which could be quite some time.    

[jacko45k]

53 minutes ago, Leaver said:

The lease holder would have to pay for some workers to strip out his assets from the premises, but who is he going to sell these assets to?  Who's going to buy them?

The lease holder himself, he recently signed a new long lease just before Covid, claims closure is temporary. Do you have  better source?

If he did not want do so, he would not keep up with the rent, and you better believe the owner would be round claiming assets in lieu of rent. 

UK approves the vaccine today.

 

Pattaya will be back... it could restart like a fire in a furniture shop.

 

Edited December 2, 2020 by jacko45k

[Rimmer]

Off topic post removed, this is the Pattaya Forum

[Leaver]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

The lease holder himself, he recently signed a new long lease just before Covid, claims closure is temporary. Do you have  better source?

If he did not want do so, he would not keep up with the rent, and you better believe the owner would be round claiming assets in lieu of rent. 

UK approves the vaccine today.

 

Pattaya will be back... it could restart like a fire in a furniture shop.

 

I was talking in general, not just about The Beer Garden.

 

Yes, the vaccine is being deployed, but when do you expect UK tourists, and in what numbers?  I think it will be too little, too late, for many businesses here.

 

I have no doubt Pattaya will be back, but I think it will start as a trickle, and then slowly build up, rather than a fire in a furniture shop.    

[kingofthemountain]

35 minutes ago, Leaver said:

I was talking in general, not just about The Beer Garden.

 

Yes, the vaccine is being deployed, but when do you expect UK tourists, and in what numbers?  I think it will be too little, too late, for many businesses here.

 

I have no doubt Pattaya will be back, but I think it will start as a trickle, and then slowly build up, rather than a fire in a furniture shop.    

I agree with you

the first tourists to arrive will face to a big disapointment with what they would discover

all the fun will be gone and most of the venues will be still closed

it will takes more than few weeks to restart all the city, and more longer the

tourists can not come back (i mean without the quarantine) more hard and long

it will take for the city to rebuild what was lost when the quarantine requirment is out

(At this stage i am not even sure it will happens, at least before 1 or 2 years)

[CharlieH]

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[Leaver]

2 minutes ago, HashBrownHarry said:

Have you seen the growlers working in Europe.

 

Unless you're paying BIG money, flights and accomadation would be the cheaper option.

You must be talking about the street crawlers. 

 

In any case, time will tell if there is a rush back, or  trickle.  

[HashBrownHarry]

1 minute ago, Leaver said:

You must be talking about the street crawlers. 

 

In any case, time will tell if there is a rush back, or  trickle.  

Likely to be a trickle i agree.

 

But for those of us that live here, it's never been better. For domestic travel and for cheap minge.

[Leaver]

1 minute ago, HashBrownHarry said:

Likely to be a trickle i agree.

 

But for those of us that live here, it's never been better. For domestic travel and for cheap minge.

I agree, although, the city is missing its lively vibe.  

 

Why did you suggest mongers would rush back for cheap alcohol, alone?  In many respects, alcohol is dearer here than in western countries.  Eg.  wine.