Do you like Thai people?

[NanLaew]

5 minutes ago, ThaiWai said:

So true. FInding a single Thai girl without kids is like trying to find a single Thai girl without burns and other random scar tissue all over their legs and arms etc.  You know Thailand..."Safety Last and Condoms After That".

Let me guess... you're not a hunsum man by any stretch of the ATM anymore?

 

Were you ever?

[steven100]

3 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

And yet 61,000,000 people in America voted for a guy who cheated and lied his whole life and he became President of the United States hahahaha

 

Respect and 30 baht will get you a cup of coffee 

but the discussion isn't about America, it's about Thailand and Thais. 

Lets try to keep on track here …  lol

[OneMoreFarang]

21 minutes ago, rumak said:

26 minutes ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

Most Thai women will tell you how much they can't stand Thai men.  I don't need to go through all the attributes attached to them, but they are mostly not good.

I am pretty sure i know what type of women tell you that line.

 

If I am wrong please tell us which "survey" you are referring to

I don't have a survey to offer but experience with Thai owned and Thai managed companies.

Many companies prefer to employ Thai women. And the reason is that in their experience Thai women have a better work attitude. It seems there are quite a few Thai men who party with their just received salary. And then they don't show up for work or maybe late or only tired.

Obviously that doesn't mean all Thai men are like this. But it seems it's not exactly uncommon.

[ThaiWai]

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Epic rant.

Just because a post is longer than most or expresses confusion or displeasure it does not make it a "rant" necessarily.  As I said, not angry not surprised.  Just a routine observation thats all.  There is a reason many Thais live in plastic tarp wrapped corrugated steel walled shacks. No one cares is the reason.  I would expect the same from a community of ten year olds. 

[BritManToo]

2 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Let me guess... you're not a hunsum man by any stretch of the ATM anymore?

Were you ever?

Were any of us ever?

Not me.

 

Back in the UK the government provided women with all the free education, money, jobs & housing they wanted.

Here it's down to me, and I'm suddenly much more hansum.

Edited September 18, 2019 by BritManToo

[NanLaew]

6 minutes ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

Neat little boxes.  The Thai man who abandons his family is not relegated to just low-income women or bar girls.

My boxes, yes.

 

Now, where are your percentages?

[ThaiWai]

2 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Let me guess... you're not a hunsum man by any stretch of the ATM anymore?

 

Were you ever?

I don't rate my looks by my acceptance level of women who rate a mans appearance by the thickness of his wallet.  I would have to respond to your question by relating my experiences with women outside Thailand which you would not believe even when provided with evidence but rest easy knowing my iCloud is chock full of victories the like of which you would not believe.  Every dog has his day.

[4675636b596f75]

1 minute ago, NanLaew said:

My boxes, yes.

 

Now, where are your percentages?

You'll have to show me the regs requiring them.

[NanLaew]

17 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I don't have a survey to offer but experience with Thai owned and Thai managed companies.

Many companies prefer to employ Thai women. And the reason is that in their experience Thai women have a better work attitude. It seems there are quite a few Thai men who party with their just received salary. And then they don't show up for work or maybe late or only tired.

Obviously that doesn't mean all Thai men are like this. But it seems it's not exactly uncommon.

Yes, it is absolutely not uncommon and not unique to Thailand.

 

I had the same issues with a team of female surveyors in China about 40 years ago. Quiet, diligent, on-time, efficient and very reliable. Unfortunately, they weren't allowed to drive to their field work so I had a bunch of indolent, long-haired, very entitled, young male drivers. After the mornings field work and lunch, these ball-bearing a-holes would hang around in the office in the afternoon, playing grab-ass, being 'cool' with the girls and disrupting work. I suggested to the contractor that these guys were becoming a liability on a time-sensitive project. They agreed to resolve the situation whereupon they fired all the girls and replaced them with a team of indolent, slow, messy and deceitful young male surveyors.

 

Until then, I was completely unaware that the old saying, "There's more than one way to skin a cat" was Confucian.

Edited September 18, 2019 by NanLaew

[Don Chance]

First problem is language, it is difficult to communicate with Thai's so there is always miscommunication issues. There is cultural issues, Thai's do not understand western culture and vis versa.

Thai's do not seem friendly or happy, they don't smile much or speak english like in Cambodia. Thai's get angry easily and hostile. Not all but some, some are nice and like farangs.

When i say Thai's i mean the ones farangs come into contact with not in the villages.

Many Thai's give bad look, ugly face, like childish behavior. As a farang you have bad experiences again and again with Thai's you start to think negative.

Thai's also treat farang with distrust like criminals.  They give you bad look you don't know why, because they don't communicate. I say what happen, still they don't say anything.

Farangs always have to worry about losing face and breaking cultural rule.

Overall too many farangs in thailand and has ruined traveler experience.  Thailand not "fun." Thai's too serious all the time, too much authoritarian.

Edited September 18, 2019 by Don Chance

[NanLaew]

8 minutes ago, ThaiWai said:

I don't rate my looks by my acceptance level of women who rate a mans appearance by the thickness of his wallet.  I would have to respond to your question by relating my experiences with women outside Thailand which you would not believe even when provided with evidence but rest easy knowing my iCloud is chock full of victories the like of which you would not believe.  Every dog has his day.

When it gets too hot, I can lay around licking my own balls as well.

[NanLaew]

9 minutes ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

You'll have to show me the regs requiring them.

Anecdotal then? That's fine.

[tomazbodner]

There are good and bad people in every country. It really depends on who you hang out with.

 

As people generally attract those that are quite similar to themselves, bashing those tells a lot about themselves as well.

[ThomasThBKK]

Only racists hate other races without reasons, so no i don't hate thais or any other nationality (and yes i know there will be someone explaining me what race means, but kindly f off.) at all.

 

I have my fair share of distrust and headshaking about your authorities but i have that to a more or lesser degree everywhere, simply because power corrupts people and most people in power turn into asshats, that's a general phenomenon.

All my thai friends see it the same, they are sick of these people here and the youth is not fooled by their bs anymore.

 

 

Why you might experience people that are like that here, well that's mainly because a lot of thailand caters to that market, pattaya is a magnet for <deleted>ty human beings if you ask me.

One of the reasons i don't really mind visa requirements getting stricter, as often it's these people who will be booted off.

 

For what it's worth, i never met any other expat in bangkok or on the island we have a place that said he hates thais, if that was really the case they wouldn't waste their money living here and would go somewhere else.

[OneMoreFarang]

18 minutes ago, steven100 said:

33 minutes ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

From my experience, Thai people lie more often than not.  I'm told it is a way of saving face.  Most decent people cannot stand liars.  I have been lied to by Thais so often, that I just assume if they are talking, they are lying. 

 

That is from experience.  The wife lies and then lies about lying, she says, it is the Thai way.

 

Why should I argue this fact?

I agree 100% ….  some thais don't think nothing about cheating and lying to your face which shows zero respect.

I guess part of the problem is the definition of lying.

 

It seems lots of Thais say what they think the other person wants to hear. I.e.:

Q: When will you finish the repair of my car?

A: End of this week.

 

There is the good chance the car won't be finished by the end of the week. But the repair guy does not want to upset the customer. So he does not say it will take probably two or three weeks because the customer won't like that answer. So the mechanic tells him: This week, sure!

 

If a Thai customer hears "this week" then I am sure lots of Thai customers will realize already that likely it won't be this week. Maybe next week, but not sure. And they know they won't get any better answer from the mechanic and arguing with him does not make sense. So they smile and accept the "this week" answer.

 

And now the same mechanic talks with a farang. "This week, sure" to make the farang happy.

But then the farang makes the mistake to think this week means actually this week. And if the car is not finished by the end of this week the farang is angry and goes to the mechanic and tells him he is angry. He wants his car now. When will it be ready?

And what does our Thai mechanic answer? Will he tell the already angry farang that he will have to wait two more weeks and make him more angry? Or will he tell the farang: next week, sure, [smile]?

 

I think the problem is lying is relative. If a woman ask her husband: Do I look beautiful? he will likely say yes - and often he lied. But in that case most farangs will understand that he lied. But if Thais lie now that's something different. Or maybe not?

[Dolmance]

I find Thai people to be fascinating, and in some ways as different as a people can be from one another, when compared with the people I grew up with.  For me, growing up in Southern California, nearly everyone whom I ever liked, disliked, every friend, every enemy, everyone I knew really was Mexican American.  Nobody was particularly religious, most were atheist, but that Catholic Church gets into your bones, even if you've never been in a church in your life, except for the occasional wedding or funeral.  I can see that Thai people, whether they're believers or not, have Buddhism in their bones, and that's what makes many of them seem so utterly foreign to me.  

 

But the older I get, the more absolutely in love I am with the human being.  This is an old, rich culture, unlike any I've ever experienced.  They're as different from the Khmers or the Lao people as they are from the Cholos and Cholas I knew and loved in my youth.  (especially the Cholas, God bless 'em)  When I left California, I moved to Mexico and stayed for twenty years.  It was a sad, sad Mexican divorce that brought me to Thailand. 

 

I've been here for a bit over a year.  I don't think I'll stay though.  I miss the Mexicans and by extension Mexico, with all the problems and corruption, poverty and now a terrifying Revolution being conducted by the most ruthless cartel nihilists who remind me of nothing so much as the Khmer Rouge.  But I think it's where I belong.  But I'll always have a place in my heart for Thailand and her people. 

Edited September 18, 2019 by Dolmance

[Khon Kaen Jeff]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

My 4 Brit kids are worthless scum, my 2 Thai kids are really nice people.

I definitely prefer my Thai children.

 

I have NEVER seen or heard anyone label their own children as worthless scum. Not saying you're wrong as I don't doubt it, just a bit shocked to see it in writing, and I don't shock easily.

[NanLaew]

5 minutes ago, Don Chance said:

...

Thai's do not seem friendly or happy, they don't smile much or speak english like in Cambodia. Thai's get angry easily and hostile. Not all but some, some are nice and like farangs.

When i say Thai's i mean the ones farangs come into contact with not in the villages.

Many Thai's give bad look, ugly face, like childish behavior. As a farang you have bad experiences again and again with Thai's you start to think negative.

Thai's also treat farang with distrust like criminals.  They give you bad look you don't know why, because they don't communicate. I say what happen, still they don't say anything...

Don, can you advise where you are seeing all these angry, hostile, bad look, ugly face, unfriendly and unhappy Thai faces?

 

Thanks!

 

NL

[mstevens]

I believe that Thais and Farangs don't always share the same values. What is important to so many Thais is not what's important to me. I do like some Thai individuals but generally, but I find I much prefer to socialise with, do business with and have small interactions with those from developed countries. I never had any Thai male friends and the only Western friend of mine who had a genuine Thai make friend met his pal at university in Australia.

[sirineou]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

I don't tell Thai people what I think of them, I don't speak with them at all, it would never come up.

My interactions with the general Thai population is of the, "how much is that?" variety.

I also don't believe the OP is anything but an elderly white expat playing a game.

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't much like expats, Viets, Khmer either, I have no use for anyone (except immediate family).

I prefer to interact with people on forums, where I can turn them off whenever I feel like.

I also think there is a strong possibility that the OP is a troll, and started my first reply by saying so.

 I dont think this thread is of how we individually behave when we are among Thais but how we behave when we think no one is listening , as in this forum. That's why I said that if  my Thai family knew how we talk about them I would be embarrassed. 

For the most part we also keep to ourselves, Family, and the village where most are like family.Only interact with a couple of other "farangs" in Thailand. All Thai people I interact with in our family and in the village treat me very well and with respect, I return the favor. 

 I am also a lot as you describe above.

But you gotta admite,this forum, which is what we are talking about,  is very negative about when it comes to Thais and Thailand.

Anything positive reported about Thailand will be met with people trying to find fault with it .

  Thai student doing good at international competition? Overwhelming reaction  "Well yes but.......

  Government buying busses for people with disabilities? Well yes But.....

Thai person, cures disease,solves world hunger and stops all wars? Well yes but.....

Can Thailand and Thai people do anything right in this forum? Wouldn't you agree  that if what I described above,  is true then  there is a pathology among some of us, and we need to see what is driving it?

Personally I think I know what it is. I think some of as come here with unrealistic expectations , and when these expectations are not met, rather than blame one's self we project.  Perhaps a litle of the great white hunter that does not get the respect he deserves from the locals sindrome mixed in there also?

 My finger is hovering over the submit button , debating whether I should click, I am sure if I do I will get a lot of flak over this, 

Oh what the heck

 

 

[NanLaew]

3 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It seems lots of Thais say what they think the other person wants to hear. I.e.:

Q: When will you finish the repair of my car?

A: End of this week.

 

There is the good chance the car won't be finished by the end of the week. But the repair guy does not want to upset the customer. So he does not say it will take probably two or three weeks because the customer won't like that answer. So the mechanic tells him: This week, sure!

 

If a Thai customer hears "this week" then I am sure lots of Thai customers will realize already that likely it won't be this week. Maybe next week, but not sure. And they know they won't get any better answer from the mechanic and arguing with him does not make sense. So they smile and accept the "this week" answer.

I came across this very situation on my second trip to Bangkok way back last century.

 

Chinese tailor on Sukhumvit said my suit order would be ready in 3 days. Unbelieving, I asked again.

 

"Three days." he says again.

 

"Three days?" I ask.

 

"OK, Friday" (four days hence) he suggests.

 

"Are you sure?" I press.

 

"OK, better next Monday." he offers.

 

I picked the suits up on the Sunday night.

[Saltire]

1 hour ago, MartinL said:

I believe that I treat Thai people in exactly the same way that I would my own countrymen and women or people of any country. There have been English, Scottish, Indian, African, Chinese people I liked and some I disliked. Most people I'm indifferent to because I don't know them and never will but that doesn't mean I won't care about them if the need arises or that I'll never like them if we came in contact. I don't make friends easily, though, and even in my own country, my REAL friends were very few in number.

 

My Thai neighbours - I have no foreign neighbours at all - I like a lot although some can seem a little remote and 'shy' at times even after my being here for many years but I'm probably the same at times. Apart from my Thai language not being good enough to hold deep conversations with them (and I'm a bad conversationalist in my own language, too. I don't enjoy conversation), I like a little chat occasionally. That's even more true for the little kids around me - they're all under about 7 years old. They all know my name as I know theirs. We have childish chats - that's probably about my level ???? - and they try out the English they learn at school. They know that, while this foreigner is 'different' from other people they know, he's not someone to be feared. Lots of laughing from them which I love. Incidentally, it probably helps that my wife was born on this plot of land and most of our neighbours are also very local or distantly related to her in some way.

 

The one qualification I'd make is that I REALLY dislike Thai driving habits and, by extension, Thai drivers. Dangerous and inconsiderate in general. But I can like a Thai person at the same time as I dislike their driving - that includes my lovely wife.

 

As I'm writing this, @Momofarang mentions the 'farang' word. Many, many times over the years, despite knowing my status as my wife's husband and my name, many Thais have chosen to say " ... is the 'farang' ...", " ... does the farang ... " rather than " ... does your husband ... ". I see that as EXTREMELY rude but it's been a very frequent occurrence in the past (not so much now) and it just makes me unlikely to treat them with respect because I see no respect coming from them. You might say that it's not intended to be offensive but simply using the word in place of my name or status is very offensive in my view. Once, when I was in a particularly bad mood for some reason, my wife's friend called me 'farang' and I replied calling her 'kamaen' (Cambodian). She didn't like it! I wonder whether she'd have appreciated being called 'Asian'?

 

But on the whole, Thais I meet are a good bunch. I think I like them to a greater degree than I would people in my country.

I am with you on the neighbours calling me farang. I am the only Farang in the Village and this used to irk me slightly as we went on our daily walks all I could here was farang .... this farang.... that. So I learned to say in Thai, politely, my name is not farang, my name is <insert real name here>. Most were a bit gobsmacked I could manage a little Thai but not offended. Now when we walk there are still the odd farang comments but most now shout hello and use my real name.

[VocalNeal]

1 minute ago, Saltire said:

as we went on our daily walks all I could here was farang .... this farang.... that

I usually look around bemused and say "farang ti nie?" That get's a laugh.  Mostly i just ignore it.

[Denim]

2 hours ago, Yinn said:

I think there thai friend show the good place that not just the foreign tourist spot.

 

For me it's usually the other way round. Me showing them places off the tourist trail. I had a Thai taxi driving friend who was always surprised at the places I took him that he had never heard of.

 

This is because he had to work and support his family and had no time for exploring. I had nothing to do every day so would just find something on a map and go there to check it out.

 

Back in the UK it was different. My Filipino girlfriend knew London better than I did because she lived and worked in the city whereas I lived in the suburbs and had no time because I was working.

 

Generally I have found that working Thais don't have too many days off or time for exploring so when they do have a short break they will tend to go to the current trending place that their friends have all been to.

 

Right now Phu Tab Berg in Petchabun is very popular with Thais so it gets very crowded and has many souvenir shops that don't really look very nice so the place is a bit spoilt. On the way there and back everybody must stop at Wichien Buri for the barbeque chicken. God knows why as it is nothing special and being on the side of the road is exposed to traffic pollution.

 

And yet there are some beautiful national parks to the East of Petchabun that few locals go to because they are not in fashion.

[Solinvictus]

Being here for 7 years and able to speak & understand Thai quite well..unfortunately I have to say, I too really don't like your average Thai person. Why? It's like they have been programmed to think and have the same views. On top of that, the extent to which they enjoy not only talking about others but being very nosy (suak-555) is to me of lowbrow character. Such characteristics are intensified if you are a foreigner also.

 

This doesn't mean I am not happy here but at times, I feel like, dam..I really don't mix well with Thai folks on an intellectual level and in general likes/dislikes. A fake smile. Thats mostly all they deserve. IMO.  I do realize not all people are the same but here, dam near.

 

Here is a link to a Thai tune I enjoy. Here it is.

 

Edited September 18, 2019 by Solinvictus

[johnnybgood]

Put it like this..........none of us came here with a dislike for Thais.

[CaptainNemo]

1 hour ago, Nyezhov said:

Wow and here I am asking the Thai ladies "which one number 1 for Thai" when in the detergent or sauce aisles of a supermarket.

 

1 hour ago, CaptainNemo said:

I was in the supermarket with the kids battling over large water bottles, and some bird came up to me ...

Nope, they came up to me... why don't you read more carefully before spouting off?

 

1 hour ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

From my experience, Thai people lie more often than not.  I'm told it is a way of saving face.  Most decent people cannot stand liars.  I have been lied to by Thais so often, that I just assume if they are talking, they are lying. 

 

That is from experience.  The wife lies and then lies about lying, she says, it is the Thai way.

 

Why should I argue this fact?

From my experience, I've met as many farang who lie more often than not, in farang countries themselves.

I can't really say with any certainty that lying is more prevalent in SEAsia. Perhaps "face saving" is more ingrained here, but forms of it exist in the west... "being cool", and smearing/self-aggrandising at work.

 

 

[Berkshire]

3 hours ago, Yinn said:

Below is some post from ONE foreigner in Thailand. 
Just use him example to show what I say about. He the typical example.

Yinn, that one guy you quoted is seriously disturbed.  What him and others like him never want to admit is that the contempt people (Thais or otherwise) show him is because of who he is.  It has nothing to do with the fact that he's a farang.  But it provides an excuse for his inadequacies. 

[CaptainNemo]

11 minutes ago, Solinvictus said:

Being here for 7 years and able to speak & understand Thai quite well..unfortunately I have to say, I too really don't like your average Thai person. Why? It's like they have been programmed to think and have the same views. On top of that, the extent to which they enjoy not only talking about others but being very nosy (suak-555) is to me of lowbrow character. Such characteristics are intensified if you are a foreigner also.

 

This doesn't mean I am not happy here but at times, I feel like, dam..I really don't mix well with Thai folks on an intellectual level and in general likes/dislikes. A fake smile. Thats mostly all they deserve. IMO.  I do realize not all people are the same but here, dam near.

 

Here is a link to a Thai tune I enjoy. Here it is.

 

I don't think you are likely to have the same sorts of friendships in Asia as in the West. The basis upon which you meet people is often different, and the nature of how and why you're there won't be the same either. In the west I think most relationships are more centred around shared "projects" (activities); and in the east, things seem to be more transactional, and not always in a seedy or hostile way. It's just the nature of culture to be that you're in a group-centred society where networking matters. In the west you can by OK without ever bothering to network. In asia you're less likely to have shared projects/activities.

[LennyW]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Those of us who live here discover what Thai people are actually like when the mask is off.

Tourists just see the (false) smiles, and think 'how friendly'.

Depends who you interact with, having lived here the past 19 years i find it easy to get on with Thais, i work with 300+ Thai people and the vast majority of them are just fine.