1 hour ago, cmarshall said:

Boris the Brief is finished and so is Brexit.  It's looking like the Remain parties may call their vote of no confidence sooner rather than later to defuse whatever sneaky plan Johnson is cooking up to nullify the Benn Act in time to achieve the goal of a no deal Brexit on the backs of the working class.  So, a caretaker PM will call for a referendum and that will be the end of that.

I agree, it doesn't look too good for Brexit (Certainly No-deal Brexit) if they take this route which there are clear signs they are planning to do.  The problem is getting  both the LP and the SNP to control their hotheads calling for a GE first. It has to be a referendum first to have any peace of mind. A GE could easily be lost if the Brexit party and the remaining hard right Tory party have a pact. Labour have never - to my knowledge- been prepared to stand aside in any constituency for the greater good. Corbyn can still shoot the "Save the UK from economic suicide", movement in the goolies, and there is no sign that he is not still a Europhobe at heart, albeit he now at least, appears to be almost acting rationally.  

9 hours ago, StreetCowboy said:

It was the best deal we've seen to date, and it was agreed between the EU and the UK government.  It was built on honest hard working negotiation, not pompous bluster.

 

I had hoped that that Brexit would only bring us one step closer to war with our neighbours, but instead it seems we will also be on the brink of dissolution of the United Kingdom, rejection of the rule of law and government, and the removal of the monarchy.

 

Good job, Boris.  But he hasn't even delivered Brexit yet.

 

Good job, Boris!

It wasn't a deal it was a capitulation. It wasn't made with the government, but Theresa the appeaser and her cabal. 

There was nothing honest about it, made in some secret EU backroom while the official negotiating team had the rug pulled from underneath them. May brought it back from her chummy meetings with Angela.

Remainer cheating and trickery.

It's obvious that many Remainers are federast europhiles, who hate the UK. Some of these emanate from Scotland and Northern Ireland and would back anything they thought would break up the Union. Let's get Brexit sorted and Leave properly, after that I'd be a little sorry to see the Union go, but more than happy to ditch the ones who want to break it up.

50 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

May's deal was virtually identical to the Brexit which Cummings and his campaign promised us before the referendum. The only real difference being the backstop, which Cummings and his political mouthpieces had dismissed as 'Project Fear' whenever anyone from the Remain campaign tried to talk about it during the campaign.

 

Labour voted against the deal because they wanted to remain in the customs union and the freedom of movement directive, and May's deal would have taken us out of both. It was Rees-Mogg with his ERG, Johnson and other Tories who put personal ambition ahead of the country and voted against the deal who scuppered it and so caused the last 6 months of chaos.

 

Still, they got what they wanted; but for how long?

 

When the Opposition are sure Johnson can't use it to sneak a no deal Brexit through while Parliament is dissolved, he will get his general election. After which he will almost certainly be moving out of Number 10 and, given his lowish majority in Uxbridge and South Ruislip, 5034, possibly out of the HoC as well!

 

The only down side to that being the likelihood of Corbyn being our next PM!

The Merkel/May Surrender Treaty was nothing like what the Leave campaign promised. Nobody had even heard of Cummings and none of the Leavers mentioned vassalage. 

2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The Merkel/May Surrender Treaty was nothing like what the Leave campaign promised. Nobody had even heard of Cummings and none of the Leavers mentioned vassalage. 

 

Nobody had heard of Cummings?

 

Maybe in whatever part of the world you are in; but here in the UK anyone paying attention during the campaign knew of him!

 

Have a good look at the Leave campaign promises and then have a look at May's agreement; you'll be hard pushed to find any real differences; but please educate me by posting them here if you do.

 

 

9 hours ago, StreetCowboy said:

It was the best deal we've seen to date, and it was agreed between the EU and the UK government.  It was built on honest hard working negotiation, not pompous bluster.

 

 

15 minutes ago, Loiner said:

It wasn't a deal it was a capitulation. It wasn't made with the government, but Theresa the appeaser and her cabal. 

 

The problem is there isn't any version of brexit that's a good deal.

3 hours ago, cmarshall said:

Boris the Brief is finished and so is Brexit.  It's looking like the Remain parties may call their vote of no confidence sooner rather than later to defuse whatever sneaky plan Johnson is cooking up to nullify the Benn Act in time to achieve the goal of a no deal Brexit on the backs of the working class.  So, a caretaker PM will call for a referendum and that will be the end of that.

What a wonderful crystal ball you must have to see into the future. You, like the rest of us, have no idea what will happen next week let alone next month.

 

Just who do you think will be the next caretaker PM of the UK?

 

But just in case the crystal ball does work, can I borrow it as I need the winning numbers for the next Thai lottery.

6 minutes ago, billd766 said:

What a wonderful crystal ball you must have to see into the future. You, like the rest of us, have no idea what will happen next week let alone next month.

 

Just who do you think will be the next caretaker PM of the UK?

 

But just in case the crystal ball does work, can I borrow it as I need the winning numbers for the next Thai lottery.

The next PM could be Clarke if Corbyn can bury his ego for a few months.

2 minutes ago, bannork said:

The next PM could be Clarke if Corbyn can bury his ego for a few months.

....the one after that would be St Nige ????

11 minutes ago, bannork said:

The next PM could be Clarke if Corbyn can bury his ego for a few months.

Could be, might be, perhaps doesn't mean a lot nowadays, sad to say.

 

A lot depends on how long a person has been an MP and how many enemies he has made along the way.

 

IMHO Corbyn will never be caretaker PM let alone the real PM as he has far too many enemies in his own party let alone the Lib/Dems and the Tories.

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

Have a good look at the Leave campaign promises and then have a look at May's agreement; you'll be hard pushed to find any real differences; but please educate me by posting them here if you do.

 

 

39 Billion Pounds worth of difference for one.

On 9/28/2019 at 8:20 AM, StreetCowboy said:

Do trade deals normally go to parliament?

Is there anything to stop Boris agreeing May’s deal the same day as we leave with No Deal?

mays  deal( or should it have been scheme ) would have kept us in the eu forever.

6 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

And yet the <snip>ignore this.

 

He is delivering the Brexit the millionaire speculators want. And after will work to make the low cost, low income, no worker rights, tax haven these billionaire's want.

 

Never have so many been fooled by so few!

More conspiracy theories

3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Dodging the issue, which is a Brexit Party MEP hypocritically arguing that the EU should overrule the UK Parliament! 

 

As we all know, if your hero and his mates hadn't put their personal ambitions above country we would have left last March and there would have been no need to ask for an extension.

Seen this?

 

2 hours ago, bannork said:

The next PM could be Clarke if Corbyn can bury his ego for a few months.

I f Corbyn  and the Lib.Democrats can not agree WHO can become PM just short until quick G.E.    Boris risk still to win any plan he might have … so it is up to them ..or both loose .

 

"If 2 Dogs fighting for a bone ...it shall be the third one who take it...."

11 hours ago, david555 said:

After the brother now the sister ….. seems they don't want to be connected with his doings ...as it could get nasty legally ...

 

 Even his family , have given him the boot ,  nuff said..

 

 

3 hours ago, Loiner said:

5 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Have a good look at the Leave campaign promises and then have a look at May's agreement; you'll be hard pushed to find any real differences; but please educate me by posting them here if you do.

 

 

39 Billion Pounds worth of difference for one.

True; Cummings and his politician mouthpieces were very careful not to mention that.

 

Whenever anyone from Remain mentioned the cost of meeting our previoulsy agreed to financial commitments should we leave the EU, Cummings dragged out the 'Project Fear' lie again!

 

 

3 hours ago, kingdong said:

mays  deal( or should it have been scheme ) would have kept us in the eu forever.

 

How so?

 

None of your fellows have been able to answer this, maybe you can?

2 hours ago, evadgib said:

Seen this?

 

Who is she, and why is her opinion any more valid than anyone else's?

 

Rebecca Butler into Google throws up a Rebecca Butler who works as Head of Content and Innovation at Prime Minister's Office and Cabinet Office, but it's not her. There is also a Rebecca Butler who in 2017 was a government communications fast streamer, but it's not her, either.

 

Even if we take her opinion at face value; May's deal meant we would have left the Customs Union! That's why we needed the Irish border backstop until we'd negotiated a FTA with the EU or technological means of checking goods across the border had been installed.

 

How can you be so critical of May's deal when you apparently know so little about it?

On 9/28/2019 at 10:01 PM, Jip99 said:

 

 

That’s humour. -  isn’t it ?

 

 

perhaps let some other posters on here know that.

If they need told, I don't care whether they know.

 

9 hours ago, nauseus said:

No. Not a lot flows back and the use of the little that does come back is dictated by the EU.

Luckily, the EU appeared to care more about the British regions than did the government of Westminster.  

 

4 hours ago, kingdong said:

mays  deal( or should it have been scheme ) would have kept us in the eu forever.

Until we could figure out how to leave.  

 

I think on that score, we are in agreement.  Sadly, our Boris thinks that we can leave the EU without figuring out how to do so.

 

If you fail to plan, you plan to fail.

 

Good job, Boris!

37 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

Luckily, the EU appeared to care more about the British regions than did the government of Westminster.  

 

OK then. By how much? Yes, I mean money.

26 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

Until we could figure out how to leave.  

 

I think on that score, we are in agreement.  Sadly, our Boris thinks that we can leave the EU without figuring out how to do so.

 

If you fail to plan, you plan to fail.

 

Good job, Boris!

There is no leaving the Surrender Treaty unless the EU says it's OK.

True; Cummings and his politician mouthpieces were very careful not to mention that.
 
Whenever anyone from Remain mentioned the cost of meeting our previoulsy agreed to financial commitments should we leave the EU, Cummings dragged out the 'Project Fear' lie again!

So we’re all agreed that Project Fear is a pack of lies?

We owe them nowt.

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

There is no leaving the Surrender Treaty unless the EU says it's OK.

Boris has a tame parrot - pieces of eight pieces of eight

36 minutes ago, Loiner said:

 

So we’re all agreed that Project Fear is a pack of lies?

We owe them nowt.

 

Right no pension for Farage then - I'll agree with that. 

A post violating Fair Use Policy has been removed.  

 

15 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

I agree, it doesn't look too good for Brexit (Certainly No-deal Brexit) if they take this route which there are clear signs they are planning to do.  The problem is getting  both the LP and the SNP to control their hotheads calling for a GE first. It has to be a referendum first to have any peace of mind. A GE could easily be lost if the Brexit party and the remaining hard right Tory party have a pact. Labour have never - to my knowledge- been prepared to stand aside in any constituency for the greater good. Corbyn can still shoot the "Save the UK from economic suicide", movement in the goolies, and there is no sign that he is not still a Europhobe at heart, albeit he now at least, appears to be almost acting rationally.  

If Corbyn were smart he would allow someone like Ken Clarke or Caroline Lucas to take the PM job while the ministries that have to do with providing services would go to Labour.  Then, the Labour ministers can reverse the effects of Tory austerity and earn some credibility with the anti-establishment voters who voted Leave.  Then carry out a referendum with Labour campaigning to remain and put an end to the Brexit nightmare.

 

But is Corbyn smart?

3 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

If Corbyn were smart he would allow someone like Ken Clarke or Caroline Lucas to take the PM job while the ministries that have to do with providing services would go to Labour.  Then, the Labour ministers can reverse the effects of Tory austerity and earn some credibility with the anti-establishment voters who voted Leave.  Then carry out a referendum with Labour campaigning to remain and put an end to the Brexit nightmare.

 

But is Corbyn smart?

Is anyone who cuddles up to terrorists smart...?

10 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Who is she, and why is her opinion any more valid than anyone else's?

 

Rebecca Butler into Google throws up a Rebecca Butler who works as Head of Content and Innovation at Prime Minister's Office and Cabinet Office, but it's not her. There is also a Rebecca Butler who in 2017 was a government communications fast streamer, but it's not her, either.

 

Even if we take her opinion at face value; May's deal meant we would have left the Customs Union! That's why we needed the Irish border backstop until we'd negotiated a FTA with the EU or technological means of checking goods across the border had been installed.

 

How can you be so critical of May's deal when you apparently know so little about it?

You'd find this much easier if you concentrated on Content rather than Poster (in this case RB).

HTH