Does anyone know what a hotel manager for a small ~20 room hotel makes in Chiang Mai? 

 

I'm talking about someone with an education and background in hotel management who has experience.

 

Thanks.

Guess it doesn’t matter if the room rate is 400 Baht per night or 15,000 B/night. A manager is a manager?

I surely would pay more for a manager of expensive rooms. Why wouldn’t you?


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1 minute ago, Bill97 said:

Guess it doesn’t matter if the room rate is 400 Baht per night or 15,000 B/night. A manager is a manager?

I surely would pay more for a manager of expensive rooms. Why wouldn’t you?


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Brand new 3* boutique hotel in prime location - room rates between 1500-2000 per night.

80,000 Baht per month with an annual performance bonus of 25% if goals are met.

Brand new 3* boutique hotel in prime location - room rates between 1500-2000 per night.

What sort of usp’s to justify such a price?


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The market of 3 star boutique in a price range of approx 1500 Bt is pretty saturated. I would say they are not going to be able to afford a "manager" as such. More a generic overseer to check stuff gets done.

19 hours ago, Dante99 said:

80,000 Baht per month with an annual performance bonus of 25% if goals are met.

Really?

 

That's one hell of a salary for a Thai

Some off topic posts have been removed. I think the OP was just implying 80k was quite high.

Maybe doable in one of the larger hotels but very unlikely in a small place. Also remember you would need a fair bit of experience to get a job like this. There are a number of people who have had many years in the business that would be eligible for the top jobs.

2 hours ago, Bassosa said:

Really?

 

That's one hell of a salary for a Thai

You want an experienced manager who will be given authority and have responsibility you will need to pay.  You want something less, probably much less like Sally's "generic overseer" you can certainly pay less but undoubtedly have bigger problems.

 

You say it is a hell of a salary for a Thai, first time you mentioned Thai.  What do you know about salaries to make such a comment?  There are a lot of Thais making 50-100 thousand per month.  Has to be since they are making payments on a lot of expensive homes and vehicles, 25-30,000 in fixed monthly payments plus some kids in private schools or university will quickly double that.

12 minutes ago, Dante99 said:

There are a lot of Thais making 50-100 thousand per month.

i bet those making less far  far outweigh that minority though

Well the Thai doctors in my village are earning much more than that, looking at the cars they are driving and some of them owns 10+ houses.

Really?
 
That's one hell of a salary for a Thai

Two of my managers (Thai) were earning in excess of Thb120k over month, 13th month contractually guaranteed plus bonus depending on company’s results. Travel industry.


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i bet those making less far  far outweigh that minority though

Well, you can’t have more managers than workers, right?


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The manager could definately make some good bucks if he can provide booze and female "guides" 24/7 to his clients or takes a good commission on every lady "friend" a hotel customer bring back for "friendship" in the room.

2 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Two of my managers (Thai) were earning in excess of Thb120k over month, 13th month contractually guaranteed plus bonus depending on company’s results. Travel industry.


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What I meant to say that it's a hell of salary for a manager who overseas no more than 4 staff members in a 16-room boutique hotel without F&B.

Depends if your hiring a Thai or foreigner.

 

It has the finances to hire a foreigner

 

Here is a small example a fairly new hotel in CM probably meant to be 3 start rated but their booking.com is 7.2

 

Now we see an upsurge in hotel improvement in CM but can they keep up the requisite standard 

even if its Chinese owned they still have the same mentality of washing the mop on ground floor and doing the entire property

 

Nothing over eye line is cleaned if we don't touch it  mai pen rai

 

light switches yuk

 

Thai standards and western at 3 star level different, just my opinion not bashing

 

of course opens another argument are we to fussy in the west

 

its the thing with the mop 

its a mop and bucket where the hell is the bucket mai pen rai ok

 

so this explosion of better accommodation may be a short lived venture

 

it always baffles me why someone would let their investment run into the ground no matter what star rating it is.

 

I recall an article a few years ago 'The West has nothing to teach Thailand in hospitality'

 

Maybe they are right only time will tell and yes it is an over saturated market principally aimed at Chinese visitors

What I meant to say that it's a hell of salary for a manager who overseas no more than 4 staff members in a 16-room boutique hotel without F&B.

Now down from 20 rooms to 16.
No F&B? No breakfast? 3 star???
4 staff can not be real. One 24/7 is 3 total already.

I stay in a place with 17 rooms, serves breakfast, about 3 star and they have 20+ staff.


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30,000 Baht and a room. I was a resort manager in korat 10 year's ago. 

19 hours ago, cmsally said:

The market of 3 star boutique in a price range of approx 1500 Bt is pretty saturated. I would say they are not going to be able to afford a "manager" as such. More a generic overseer to check stuff gets done.

which is one way of describing a manager

I was a GM for a 3 star property in the N.E. of Thailand. In total 5 years, 2009 to 2015.

15,000bht per month plus room and board. 36 room boutique guest house with about 20 or so staff.

 

Flat out busy during peak season.

Off season absolutely blissful!

 

Worked 6 days a week 2x12 hour shifts & 4x10 hour shifts....tuesdays off.

 

 

25 minutes ago, rct99q said:

I was a GM for a 3 star property in the N.E. of Thailand. In total 5 years, 2009 to 2015.

15,000bht per month plus room and board. 36 room boutique guest house with about 20 or so staff.

 

Flat out busy during peak season.

Off season absolutely blissful!

 

Worked 6 days a week 2x12 hour shifts & 4x10 hour shifts....tuesdays off.

 

 

Thanks. Good to hear some real numbers.

 

We were thinking of offering 17k-20k base salary plus bonuses based on occupancy numbers and holiday pay of one month.

We're also offering a 28m2 studio in Nimman for the manager to live in, perhaps in the hopes of luring a young but experienced manager from Bangkok.

I'm stunned about the staff numbers, 20 staff for 36 rooms, wow!

Hats off to anyone brave enough to enter the hotel business at this stage of the game !! Definitely not easy and probably going to get harder.

80k isn't a lot 'for a Thai' if the Thai person in question is educated and experienced but it is way over the market rate for the manager of a small hotel.

25000 baht per month. 
trainee manager at Large 5 star hotel is on 30000-35000.

GM at 4-5 star , foreigner 100000-150000 

40 minutes ago, Bassosa said:

Thanks. Good to hear some real numbers.

 

We were thinking of offering 17k-20k base salary plus bonuses based on occupancy numbers and holiday pay of one month.

We're also offering a 28m2 studio in Nimman for the manager to live in, perhaps in the hopes of luring a young but experienced manager from Bangkok.

I'm stunned about the staff numbers, 20 staff for 36 rooms, wow!

You would get more applications if you offered 25000 withOUT room and standard holiday instead of a full month .

 

also yearly bonus instead of occupancy based one.

 

i am In hotel business for over a decade in Thailand, so have some ideas and experience 

 

would never give any staff board. Most if not all from past experience assume they can do anything and use all facilities for feee. Including their laundry down to toilet paper or having housekeeping to clean their room as well. 
 

If you want to let them go, getting them to vacate is another headache 

15k a month

On 10/15/2019 at 11:42 AM, Bassosa said:

Brand new 3* boutique hotel in prime location - room rates between 1500-2000 per night.

How many rooms, F&B, facilities ?

1 hour ago, Bassosa said:

I'm stunned about the staff numbers, 20 staff for 36 rooms, wow!

20/36 is, I presume, the number that was signed in as "present".

How many are doing something productive for the business and for how many hours each day could possibly be another number.

3 hours ago, BestB said:

You would get more applications if you offered 25000 withOUT room and standard holiday instead of a full month .

 

also yearly bonus instead of occupancy based one.

 

i am In hotel business for over a decade in Thailand, so have some ideas and experience. 

 

would never give any staff board. Most if not all from past experience assume they can do anything and use all facilities for feee. Including their laundry down to toilet paper or having housekeeping to clean their room as well. 
 

If you want to let them go, getting them to vacate is another headache 

Thanks for your comments. Will give it some thought.

You mention that a yearly bonus is better than a performance-based one? Why is that? I always thought that it would be better to offer some skin in the game, so a busy hotel actually is lucrative for the employees? We're actually considering a longevity bonus of sorts as wel...

The condo is in Nimman, but the hotel is in the old town, so the employee doesn't live onsite. I understand that this doesn't necessarily stop them from taking toiletries and toilet paper. We're still figuring out how to control that.

Depends on the hotel and the quality of the manager. Anywhere from 20k - 100k