Gulf War veteran, 55, was killed by a single punch from a bouncer in Thailand who claimed he tried to leave go-go bar without paying his bill

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Ok, thanks. Dictionary not clear for me about the “war vetran”

 

The thai guy not try to kill him for the bill. I not know.

 

IMO But maybe the punch not kill, but when he fall the ground, smash his head. JUST IMO I NOT KNOW. Not want to argue. Just think it. I think hard to kill from one punch. IMO

Yes, veteran means also "person who have served in the military" but you can say "veteran footballer" or "veteran politician", it means long experience in a job..

..anyway, i am still of the opinion that bouncers should have better manners than that.

Otherwise they are not bouncers, they are thugs.

[kingdong]

2 hours ago, kingofthemountain said:

The presentation of this ''news'' is an asolute non sense and a shame for the journalism.

The facts are old from more one year (May 2018) the gogo Mandarin is close since long time now, the bouncer has been tried and relaxed in a self defense case, the victim died 10 months later in England and so on 

In England if you died within one year of injuries sustained in an attack its manslaughter,the land of smiles first world prices and aspirations. And a third world justice system,be carefully out there.

[yogi100]

3 hours ago, sanemax said:

No need for Thai bashing , bouncers behave violently in every country , 

When was the last time you heard of a middle aged man getting killed by a bouncer 20 years his junior in countries such as the UK, the US, Oz or in Europe. For whatever reason.

[BestB]

1 hour ago, yogi100 said:

When was the last time you heard of a middle aged man getting killed by a bouncer 20 years his junior in countries such as the UK, the US, Oz or in Europe. For whatever reason.

It was 1 punch. Do you honestly believe a 50 something kg guy can kill someone with 1 punch ?

 

was just either unlucky fall or connected in the wrong place . 
 

Plenty of examples people being properly bashed and they ok. Sometimes it’s just <deleted> out of luck as they say , that is not to say he did not have pre conditions, having gone what he has gone through very possible to have pre conditions and that punch was the tipping point 

[englishoak]

3 hours ago, BestB said:

 

Yes bouncer hitting the guy was wrong,but according to OP guy threw the first punch but missed.

 

I have worked on the doors in my younger years, and owned a security company, It is easy to make judgments from the other side, but if you on the job, you would be surprised what drunk people do and life as a bouncer is not all that safe. and no you can not always restrain someone or hold them up, its not movies but real life.

 

 

The bouncers were clearly out of their jurisdiction once out of the bar. As im sure you know once off the premises there is no reason to pursue someone onto the street, The punter was walking away not towards trouble in the vid so id say the bouncers stepped well over the line of duty. 

 

Your right though, real life is not the movies and Thailand is renowned for this kind of thing, being a military man and published he should have known better to never turn his back on the enemy once engaged

 

We will never know the full story

[sanemax]

12 minutes ago, englishoak said:

 

Your right though, real life is not the movies and Thailand is renowned for this kind of thing, being a military man and published he should have known better to never turn his back on the enemy once engaged

 

We will never know the full story

He didnt turn his back through , he began punching them, although he missed

[BestB]

13 minutes ago, englishoak said:

The bouncers were clearly out of their jurisdiction once out of the bar. As im sure you know once off the premises there is no reason to pursue someone onto the street, The punter was walking away not towards trouble in the vid so id say the bouncers stepped well over the line of duty. 

 

Your right though, real life is not the movies and Thailand is renowned for this kind of thing, being a military man and published he should have known better to never turn his back on the enemy once engaged

 

We will never know the full story

But according to OP he threw a punch but missed, so perhaps he was not walking away or turned his back 

[englishoak]

3 minutes ago, sanemax said:

He didnt turn his back through , he began punching them, although he missed

 

 

3 minutes ago, BestB said:

But according to OP he threw a punch but missed, so perhaps he was not walking away or turned his back 

 

Looking at the vid to me he seemed well in retreat and moving away then turned back too late to engage the bouncers who were clearly pursuing him with intent to attack. 

 

I dont hold much stock in any OP or newspaper report and not saying the guy wasnt aggravating the incident just the bouncers went way over the line by perusing him onto the street. There must have been more cctv as its clipped to a few secs but TIT so it will remain as just one more tourist death. 

[Thainess]

He was punched in mid-May 2018 and died at the end of March 2019, almost one full year later. Therefore, in all likelihood, his death this year was totally unrelated to being assaulted in Thailand last year and the Daily Mail is simply up to its usual disgusting tricks of creating a tenuous link in a non-story in order to spread its usual ludicrous xenophobic agenda that anyone who's not British is somehow a degenerate subhuman. I have no idea whatsoever why anyone who isn't a complete moron would want to read that pathetic excuse for a newspaper.

Edited October 31, 2019 by Thainess

[JamJar]

4 hours ago, BestB said:

1. Thai doorman are not on steroids

2. Have you ever worked on the door? to state should be restraining someone who is raging,  swinging and bigger than you in size and body weight? Its little different to Steven Seagul movies ????

 

None of my doormen ever threw a punch in anger.  Gentle persuasion or restraint was as far they needed to go.

But then our clubs didn't specialise in ripping the customers.

Low class establishment, low class security. 

 

[Chazar]

6 hours ago, sanemax said:

My reply was to the bit about Thailand being uncivilised , whereas violence by bouncers happened in every Country and thus Thailand is as "civilised" as all other Countries

tell the car driving public  that

[JamJar]

1 hour ago, BestB said:

It was 1 punch. Do you honestly believe a 50 something kg guy can kill someone with 1 punch ?

 

was just either unlucky fall or connected in the wrong place . 
 

Plenty of examples people being properly bashed and they ok. Sometimes it’s just <deleted> out of luck as they say , that is not to say he did not have pre conditions, having gone what he has gone through very possible to have pre conditions and that punch was the tipping point 

 

What is this 50 kg story you have created? There are many security personnel on Walking Street who are considerably over 50 kgs. Not seldom have I seen them fighting/attacking potential customers, who are smaller and outnumbered.

That's not to say that they weren't provoked. But clearly the opponents were no match for them in the first place.

The previous time on Walking Street was a young, extremely drunk Chinese male. Now he was perhaps 50 to 60 kg. The security personnel weighed considerably more. 

 

He got a few kicks and slaps and punches until someone stepped in to stop it. He certainly had no capacity to fight, but the alcohol blocked his fear. Properly trained security would not need to beat him.

 

The fact that the Brit called the police a few minutes earlier leans to towards the conclusion that he was not necessarily the aggressor.

 

He doesn't sound like a trained fighter, but more of a logistics man.

 

I've never thrown a punch in the air. If I want to hit someone, I will hit them.  It sounds as if he was trying to discourage them from getting too close, rather than trying to do any damage.

 

[Puchaiyank]

This story makes me angry.  Those Pattaya Go-Go bars have been corrupt as long as I have known them.

 

Have 1st hand experience with the padded bill followed quickly with intimidation.

 

Very sad ending to a man who deserved better.

 

Bar owner and thug will both get off free...fatter brown envelope next payment...????

 

 

[Fex Bluse]

Here is the problem.

 

Everyone here, including me, is speculating from the reports in Western media.

 

However, what tends to happen in Thailand is that the the Thai authorities feed entirely untrue information to the media.

 

This is very likely the case here as we KNOW the Thais are heavily invested in protecting their flailing tourism industry.

 

So, just because the report is from the widow of the deceased does not mean the information is reliable.

 

Where is the video????!!!!!????

 

Edited October 31, 2019 by Fex Bluse

[Sticky Wicket]

4 hours ago, sanemax said:

There is such a thing as "acting in self defence" ,  they have that law in every Country

A doorman shouldn't be throwing punches.

If they can't defend against somebody drunk and restrain them then they are poorly trained or not fit for the job in the first place.

 

The CCTV would show to me intent or no intent by the bouncers, the self defence argument is a non starter.

 

No intent, mid sentence

Intent, throw away the keys

[Sticky Wicket]

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/mike-jones-mathias-death-thailand-17177679

 

Here's the video, <deleted> scum bullies!!

 

At least 3 of them with the only thought in their minds to severely injure him

Edited October 31, 2019 by Sticky Wicket

[Thian]

9 hours ago, Yinn said:

He throws a punch to the air as he is approached by two Thai men - and is then hit to the floor with one horror punch.

 

 

What are you trying to say tooki?

[Thian]

8 hours ago, marqus12 said:

They should do something else for a living.

Yup, like rice farming or growing papaya's.

[Thian]

8 hours ago, sanemax said:

I think that you will find that bouncers in all countries can behave violently , not just Thailand  

Yes of course, but where i come from they can also go to jail for misbehaviour.

[Thian]

7 hours ago, Yinn said:

I trying to learn.

english is difficult.

but I will have success. Train everyday.

 

 

Then you better go to school instead of aggravating us here...or you can only read, NO writing.

[RichardColeman]

And the bouncers did not call the police first to deal with this 'so called unruly non-payer' because ? 

[Olmate]

34 minutes ago, Thian said:

Yes of course, but where i come from they can also go to jail for misbehaviour.

This is not “where you come from”...thankfully. 

[Wiggy]

9 hours ago, donnacha said:

This story, including the shameful Thai court verdict, will run in almost every American newspaper and news channel, ten of millions of people will hear about this.

I doubt it as he was British. 

[jacko45k]

9 hours ago, z42 said:

I actually find that most door staff in Thailand are pretty decent,

This happened some time ago, The Mandarin has been closed a while. Perhaps you recall quite a few incidents regarding door staff, or 'bouncers' at a disco type place, Insomnia, similar. These staff are thugs waiting for an opportunity.... 

There has been some improvement in recent times and one can dispute a bar-tab, but it is really a dodgy area. 

[jacko45k]

9 hours ago, CNXexpat said:

In a civilized country: customer refuses to pay - manager is calling the police to clarify the case. 

In Thailand: customer refuses to pay: staff is beating the hell out of him.

They have a culture and tradition of not expecting any help from the police and resolving their own issues. Quite justified with Thai police. Although there are police and TPA staff positioned there to resolve these situations... this guy went about it the wrong way and came across staff looking to make their evening worthwhile.

Edited October 31, 2019 by jacko45k

[neeray]

10 hours ago, Yinn said:

He throws a punch to the air as he is approached by two Thai men - and is then hit to the floor with one horror punch.

 

 

So?

What's your point Yinn?

[manarak]

9 hours ago, sanemax said:

Why did he throw a punch though ?

Even if he was at fault for attempting to throw a punch , the bouncers need to act with more restraint and not using violence , saying that though, it was just one punch and as this case shows, even one punch can be fatal

yes, he tried to punch one of the bouncers first, then the second made quite a violent attack with a punch, but from what I see on the video, I guess the victim fell backwards, I guess he banged his head on the pavement, and I suppose that's what caused the head injury.

[JamJar]

1 hour ago, Sticky Wicket said:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/mike-jones-mathias-death-thailand-17177679

 

Here's the video, <deleted> scum bullies!!

 

At least 3 of them with the only thought in their minds to severely injure him

 

Yes. certainly shows it in a different light. There was no attempt to get him to pay a bill. It was just an attack with menace.

It wasn't just a running punch by one of them, it was the simultaneous attack by the other.

[neeray]

9 hours ago, billd766 said:

IMHO he was not murdered which is deliberately setting out to kill a person. Manslaughter possibly but more likely death by misadventure. No I have not seen a video, so I have no idea what really happened.

There is a link to the video about half a dozen posts in.

Personally, I found the video of the attack spine chilling to watch.

[soalbundy]

It should be recommended when in Thailand don't run up a tab, pay after each drink, it stops padding and other misunderstandings.