SURVEY: CCTV, does it make us better or worse?

[Scott]

In the past several years, we have seen an increase in the number of CCTV and other types of videos which make into the media.   CCTV has been instrumental in catching criminals.   In your opinion, do the various forms of video make us behave better, worse or are we the same?

 

Please feel free to leave a comment.

[ivor bigun]

Maybe ,they catch a few criminals ,but the more we are watched ,the closer 1984 comes . those in power will always abuse it .

[justin case]

criminals always feel sorry, when they got caught with CCTV

 

otherwise, they just deny it was them

[tifino]

13 minutes ago, justin case said:

criminals always feel sorry, when they got caught with CCTV

 

otherwise, they just deny it was them

Only feel sorry

 - 'for getting caught' 

[RotBenz8888]

1. SURVEY: CCTV, does it make us better or worse?

 

Where is the alternative "make us worse"?

[rabas]

Catching criminals or the guy who bumped into your car is OK.

 

For the big picture, you might ask the Chinese who are now being monitored 24/7 with facial recognition, which is tied to a lifetime social credit system. Can you imagine jaywalking enough times to loose your opportunity to go to college? And which party do you support? Thought so.

 

[Jimbo in Thailand]

Sadly, intrusive CCTV seems to be a necessary evil these days.  Of course, traffic cams have proven to be great revenue generators for the police and local governments worldwide so, yes, some aspects of CCTV are already being abused. ????????????

[Crossy]

IMPORTANT NOTE:- This is a Photoshop job.

 

[Misterwhisper]

I wish there were more CCTV cameras installed in parliament... in order to clamp down on crimes against the people.

[neeray]

Criminals aren't the brainiest bunch around. But anybody thinking about doing a crime needs to "smile for the camera". They're everywhere. And without question IMO, they surely must reduce crimes (and help solve many).

[holy cow cm]

Not a big fan at all of how the local and general government have implemented the idea with no consideration for freedom, especially here in Chiang Mai. Next is AI and full facial recognition with a super computer that monitors every move of where you go and what you do. Maybe time to keep a motorcycle helmet on and wear a tinfoil suit.

[Jeremia Juxtaposed]

9 minutes ago, neeray said:

Criminals aren't the brainiest bunch around. But anybody thinking about doing a crime needs to "smile for the camera". They're everywhere. And without question IMO, they surely must reduce crimes (and help solve many).

Totally agree! Otherwise the following purely ficticious incidents could possibly occur:-

 

1. On a little island somewhere in never never land a CCTV clearly identified a person leaving a bar but the tape "disapeared" only to be closely followed up with another CCTV showing the same person elsewhere with the same date/time stamp.

2. In a small town in Smallesville,Smalland a person is clearly shown driving into and killing a stationary individual.

 

Thank goodness for CCTV that criminals are caught and brought to justice.

[CGW]

CCTV and all the paraphernalia that goes with it is in its infancy, if you don't understand that it is being and that the ultimate aim is that it will be used to "control" people your being very naive. ????

The social divide continues to increase, the ultra rich have plenty of money to invest in their long term security, don't want the "peasants" revolting - again!

Look how CCTV is being abused in Hong Kong, where they are not even trying to hide the fact that the "Police" in plainclothes are initiating the violence.

If those in power that are putting these systems to "use" were even vaguely trustworthy................................................. 

 

[Jeremia Juxtaposed]

36 minutes ago, CGW said:

CCTV and all the paraphernalia that goes with it is in its infancy, if you don't understand that it is being and that the ultimate aim is that it will be used to "control" people your being very naive. ????

The social divide continues to increase, the ultra rich have plenty of money to invest in their long term security, don't want the "peasants" revolting - again!

Look how CCTV is being abused in Hong Kong, where they are not even trying to hide the fact that the "Police" in plainclothes are initiating the violence.

If those in power that are putting these systems to "use" were even vaguely trustworthy................................................. 

 

I agree with everything except the word "infancy"..

I did a Heli Tele course at Marconi, Chelmsford in the late 70s before getting posted to NI. I was heavily involved in monitoring the Hunger Strike riots of the early 80s. Even at that time it was easy for the equipment to pick out an individual face in the crowd from the chopper, although it needed some manoevering skill.In the late 80s I served out my final 3 years with "The Det" and I can assure you that if you think CCTV is now in its infancy you would be shocked at what was being done then.....

Edited November 10, 2019 by Jeremia Juxtaposed

[CGW]

17 minutes ago, Jeremia Juxtaposed said:

I agree with everything except the word "infancy"..

Point taken! how about replacing "infancy" with cheap and affordable?

Computers have been around since 1946? but they have only become "affordable" in the past twenty years or so. Relevant to the development they are still in their infancy even now as I see it.

The biggest thing with CCTV is being able to use the information, software has only been available in recent years that make mass surveillance possible though no doubt the military have had advanced systems for many years, which goes part way to explaining the huge costs that the military industrial complex incurs year on year.

Have to wonder what they are working on now that will help them control and herd the masses? 

I'm sure if we knew what was being planned for us? most of us would indeed be "shocked" 

[Jeremia Juxtaposed]

3 minutes ago, CGW said:

Point taken! how about replacing "infancy" with cheap and affordable?

Computers have been around since 1946? but they have only become "affordable" in the past twenty years or so. Relevant to the development they are still in their infancy even now as I see it.

The biggest thing with CCTV is being able to use the information, software has only been available in recent years that make mass surveillance possible though no doubt the military have had advanced systems for many years, which goes part way to explaining the huge costs that the military industrial complex incurs year on year.

Have to wonder what they are working on now that will help them control and herd the masses? 

I'm sure if we knew what was being planned for us? most of us would indeed be "shocked" 

I think the key is the distance from which we can be monitored, in what detail and the method used (body heat etc)....Shocking indeed ...!!!

[CharlieH]

7 minutes ago, CGW said:

Point taken! how about replacing "infancy" with cheap and affordable?

Computers have been around since 1946? but they have only become "affordable" in the past twenty years or so. Relevant to the development they are still in their infancy even now as I see it.

The biggest thing with CCTV is being able to use the information, software has only been available in recent years that make mass surveillance possible though no doubt the military have had advanced systems for many years, which goes part way to explaining the huge costs that the military industrial complex incurs year on year.

Have to wonder what they are working on now that will help them control and herd the masses? 

I'm sure if we knew what was being planned for us? most of us would indeed be "shocked" 

Dont have to wonder, ots probably in your pocket on near you right now..........the mobile phone, that tracks everywhere you go, camera and microphone that can be activated remotely, drive you nuts if you go into that rabbit hole ????

[ratcatcher]

3 hours ago, ivor bigun said:

but the more we are watched ,the closer 1984 comes

I think maybe you'd agree that Big Brother has been watching us for so long, that he's training Little Brother to take over soon.

[Jeremia Juxtaposed]

10 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

Dont have to wonder, ots probably in your pocket on near you right now..........the mobile phone, that tracks everywhere you go, camera and microphone that can be activated remotely, drive you nuts if you go into that rabbit hole ????

One of the main differences between Analogue and GSM is that Analogue phones reacted to the Base Station Sig channel whereas GSM phones were more proactive in that they actively reported signal strength etc etc bla bla to the Base Station and during call set up. Having said that, when I commisioned and integrated analogue sites, part of Integration testing was to call 999 and confirm your location on the bottom of their screen.

Now then, I admit to being a stickler on this, but I still believe that GSM stands for Group Speciale Mobile which was the European group set up to establish common protocols. So my summary is that even using the old black brick phones "they" knew your location....Then with GSM it became more accurate......All of this with European technology (Motorola was based in Swindon not Chicago despite what the yanks pretended).

Your phone's location has ALWAYS been easy to track since the late 80s.... But 4G and 5G will allow, anybody that pays, access to far more than just your location.

Leave your phone in your trouser pockets ladies and gentlemen or you could be appearing in Pornhub Amateur small penis videos .....

[CharlieH]

I was watching a program the other night where they were discussing "Pokemon Go" and the CIA. An interactive game on the phone, actually funded by the CIA (apparently) and uses thousands of unwitting participants and the data they see etc. They had all these location points placed directly near foreign embassies and so on, interesting to watch but how much is fact how much is artistic licence, the viewer can decide.

[Jeremia Juxtaposed]

18 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

I was watching a program the other night where they were discussing "Pokemon Go" and the CIA. An interactive game on the phone, actually funded by the CIA (apparently) and uses thousands of unwitting participants and the data they see etc. They had all these location points placed directly near foreign embassies and so on, interesting to watch but how much is fact how much is artistic licence, the viewer can decide.

If it were possible to extrapolate Government agencies' misinformation and technology available at that point from WWII, through to what I know happened in the 80s, through 9/11, through the Gulf Wars to the obvious newspeak of today I don't doubt any of it.

I would go as far as to say that some of the more bizarre "conspiracy" theories are placed on Social Media by somebody wishing to make the more credible theorists look barmy!

[HOAX]

We should all get microchips implanted into our brains so whenever we think of doing a serious crime, such as not filling out the TM30 in time, we get sentenced to braindeath before actually doing the crime. Then we eliminate the need for CCTV.

Edited November 10, 2019 by HOAX

[Srikcir]

Caveat to "It doesn't cut down on crime, but it makes catching criminals easier"

But in Thailand only when the CCTV was actually working, the data not mysteriously corrupted or erased, or data incapable of being read because of different incompatible readers used by different authorities. 

[Sheryl]

You missed a 4th choiuce:

 

It doesn't cut down on crime and the police continue to "catch" criminals same as they always did.

[Myran]

1 hour ago, Srikcir said:

Caveat to "It doesn't cut down on crime, but it makes catching criminals easier"

But in Thailand only when the CCTV was actually working, the data not mysteriously corrupted or erased, or data incapable of being read because of different incompatible readers used by different authorities. 

Do you have any examples of this happening?

[Salerno]

11 minutes ago, Myran said:

Do you have any examples of this happening?

Allegedly, 15 out of 20 CCTV on the escape route the Erwan bombers took weren't working.

[Felt 35]

My hometown has several times been referred to as the second-most-watched city in Europe, measured by the number of camcorders watching the population. Only in London will there be more cameras.
The data basis for this ranking is unclear because there are no public figures on the number of cameras installed, but the Data Inspectorate confirms that the camera surveillance has seen a clear increase in recent years. But that does not affect the crime statistics says the researchers.
Researchers working at the Police College have researched various aspects of camera surveillance.
They emphasize that while there are more and more cameras inside and outside the stores, it does not help to reduce the number of criminal incidents.
There are no studies that say there will be less crime when setting up surveillance cameras in a city center. If the goal of many surveillance cameras is to reduce crime, the researchers believe the measure is wasted. Monitoring is a simple solution
Researchers say that the debate over multiple surveillance cameras often pops up after serious and dramatic events, which often receive large media coverage.

 

 

 

Personally I'm glad that my youth time was over long before Google and Facebook????????

[mauGR1]

CCTV has made it only better for the CCTV producers and trading, for the rest of the people it's about the same.

[baansgr]

The first CCTVs in London at the end of the 70s cut armed robberies by 70% almost overnight..

[emptypockets]

3 hours ago, HOAX said:

We should all get microchips implanted into our brains so whenever we think of doing a serious crime, such as not filling out the TM30 in time, we get sentenced to braindeath before actually doing the crime. Then we eliminate the need for CCTV.

I remember reading a science fiction story many many years ago that had a similar theme. Pedestrian selected at random and made to enter a machine on the street. The machine brain scanned the person's memory and delivered appropriate punishment if wrong doing was detected, including incineration.

Tom Cruise was in a movie called the minority report working from the department of pre crime. Scary stuff as life often imitates art.... eventually.