Making Windows 10 look like Windows 7.

stouricks · June 4, 2020

On 5/9/2020 at 10:49 AM, KhunHeineken said:

My computer was running slow a while ago. Restarted it, twice. Restarted my modem and speed tested the internet. Computer still running slow. Turned out to be Windows Updates running in the background.

With Windows 7, you had more choice of what to update, and when to update.

The information in your link doesn't instill much confidence.

With Windows 10 apparently being the last version of Windows, it looks like Windows 10 Updates will be the gift that just keeps giving.

Sorry, I do not understand what you mean by 'Restarted it twice'. I re-start my PCs possible 3 or 4 times a day, or if there has been a power cut even more often. The updates usually take a couple of minutes especially when you are already 'up to date'. Is it possibly the fact that you are still using an HDD as opposed to an SSD?

When you defer the updates, what criteria do you use as to when you WILL do the update?

stouricks · June 4, 2020

On 4/26/2020 at 9:26 PM, BigStar said:

Not necessarily. For example, on Windows 7 you had greater choice about updates and you even got to keep your files after an update.

Latest Windows 10 update deleting files, causes ‘Blue Screen of Death’

W10 updates DO NOT affect your personal files, well not mine anyway.

KhunHeineken · June 4, 2020

9 minutes ago, stouricks said:

Sorry, I do not understand what you mean by 'Restarted it twice'. I re-start my PCs possible 3 or 4 times a day, or if there has been a power cut even more often. The updates usually take a couple of minutes especially when you are already 'up to date'. Is it possibly the fact that you are still using an HDD as opposed to an SSD?

When you defer the updates, what criteria do you use as to when you WILL do the update?

It was one of the bigger updates, not some security patches.

Turned on the computer, let it run through its start up process, then found it was running slow. Restarted it, same thing. Restarted again, same thing, but this time I investigated why and found Windows Updates was doing its thing. So, left the machine, came back later, restarted again, back to normal speed. Since then, I defer the updates.

The criteria I use is I set it to maximum length and check Google for reports on the updates. If there are reports the Updates are causing crashes, I hold off on the install. If there are no problems, I install when I don't need to use the machine. That time I discovered the computer running slow I actually needed to do some work on it.

Yes, still running a HDD, but with Core i7, so plenty of processing power. It was the Windows Updates, not the hardware.

stouricks · June 4, 2020

2 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

It was one of the bigger updates, not some security patches.

Turned on the computer, let it run through its start up process, then found it was running slow. Restarted it, same thing. Restarted again, same thing, but this time I investigated why and found Windows Updates was doing its thing. So, left the machine, came back later, restarted again, back to normal speed. Since then, I defer the updates.

The criteria I use is I set it to maximum length and check Google for reports on the updates. If there are reports the Updates are causing crashes, I hold off on the install. If there are no problems, I install when I don't need to use the machine. That time I discovered the computer running slow I actually needed to do some work on it.

Yes, still running a HDD, but with Core i7, so plenty of processing power. It was the Windows Updates, not the hardware.

A PC with an SSD & and i5, will run quicker than one with HDD & i7 assuming adequate (min 8GB) RAM.

Granted the i7 has more processing power, but an SSD will get the data to the CPU much faster than an HDD....MUCH faster!

Edited June 4, 2020 by stouricks

KhunHeineken · June 4, 2020

3 minutes ago, stouricks said:

A PC with an SSD & and i5, will run quicker than one with HDD & i7 assuming adequate (min 8GB) RAM.

Forgot to mention, the machine had 16GB RAM.

It was simply the Windows 10 Updates.

I accept SSD's are faster. Are you saying big Windows 10 Updates would not slow down a computer with an SSD at all, or not slow it down as much?

Edited June 4, 2020 by KhunHeineken

stouricks · June 4, 2020

8 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

Forgot to mention, the machine had 16GB RAM.

It was simply the Windows 10 Updates.

I accept SSD's are faster. Are you saying big Windows 10 Updates would not slow down a computer because it has a SSD, or not slow it down as much?

Correct. The updates come down the internet and are then stored on your disk drive. If that drive is 10 times faster, the updates will be sorted out and stored faster. Your HDD is the bottle- neck on your system.

Did you think about doing your updates at night time when you are not otherwise using your PC, or at boot up in the morning when you are making your cuppa?

Also, run something like Glary Utilities to get rid of junk & temp files. I just recovered 9 GB on my SSD and boot up in 29 seconds (OLD i5 & 250 SSD, 8 GB RAM)

Also, run Windows Disk Clean Up, System Files, to get rid of previous W10 update files and keep only the latest System Protection back-ups.

Edited June 4, 2020 by stouricks

MJKT2014 · June 4, 2020

1 hour ago, KhunHeineken said:

Yes, still running a HDD, but with Core i7, so plenty of processing power.

Sorry but your arguments for wanting to avoid Win10 updates and make it look like Win7 carry little weight when you still think an HDD is OK in this day and age.

Bruno123 · June 4, 2020

4 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

It was one of the bigger updates, not some security patches.

Turned on the computer, let it run through its start up process, then found it was running slow. Restarted it, same thing. Restarted again, same thing, but this time I investigated why and found Windows Updates was doing its thing. So, left the machine, came back later, restarted again, back to normal speed. Since then, I defer the updates.

The criteria I use is I set it to maximum length and check Google for reports on the updates. If there are reports the Updates are causing crashes, I hold off on the install. If there are no problems, I install when I don't need to use the machine. That time I discovered the computer running slow I actually needed to do some work on it.

Yes, still running a HDD, but with Core i7, so plenty of processing power. It was the Windows Updates, not the hardware.

To quote Bill Clinton who paraphrased James Carville, "It's the hardware, stupid"

Windows Updates don't take place in fresh air, they are running on your inadequate hardware, i.e, your hard drive.

Fit an SSD or just continue to give yourself a headache due to your own stubbornness.

Bruno123 · June 4, 2020

1 hour ago, BigStar said:

They carry the same weight. Look around and you'll find millions of users who do have SSDs yet who are wisely cautious about Win 10 updates and complain about Win 10 updates for all kinds of reasons, one of which is slowing down their PCs/laptops.

Probably it's just another case of the old SSD OCD that prompts you to draw such a false correlation. Anyone is free to think that an HDD is OK in this day and age or any other or choose an HDD for whatever no matter whether you think it's not OK. Just gon' have to suck it up, pal.

What?!?

Is that technical advice?

Read what he wrote again;

"Computer still running slow. Turned out to be Windows Updates running in the background."

So what do you think is the issue? The i7 CPU?

The problem is the HDD. Of that there is no doubt. An experienced user may be able to get over the issue of feature updates causing problems on a slow mechanical HDD, but clearly KH is not skilled in that manner..

So unless you are going to guide him through the issue, what are you doing here?

An SSD will solve the issue without him needing any specialist knowledge.

Edited June 4, 2020 by Bruno123

Bruno123 · June 4, 2020

3 hours ago, MJKT2014 said:

Sorry but your arguments for wanting to avoid Win10 updates and make it look like Win7 carry little weight when you still think an HDD is OK in this day and age.

Some people are their own worst enemy.

A spinning disk simply cannot keep up with the operation taking place. The HDD is the bottleneck, making having an i7 a complete waste.

The SSD in effect widens the neck of the bottle, in so that you may not even notice the update taking place in the background.

I know that you know this, it is for the benefit of KH.

Bruno123 · June 4, 2020

4 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Forgot to mention, the machine had 16GB RAM.

It was simply the Windows 10 Updates.

I accept SSD's are faster. Are you saying big Windows 10 Updates would not slow down a computer with an SSD at all, or not slow it down as much?

I have a low end processor that is more than ten years old and I don't notice when Windows Updates are running.

The bottleneck on my laptop is the processor. The bottleneck on your PC is your HDD.

Get rid of the bottleneck or accept you will have this ongoing issue.

BigStar · June 4, 2020

6 hours ago, Bruno123 said:

Is that technical advice?

Merely a small lesson in logical thinking for the person to whom I responded.

6 hours ago, Bruno123 said:

The problem is the HDD. Of that there is no doubt.

Actually, there is (cough) doubt. Sorry. I guess the concept of SSD is something our experts can get their heads around, like Lego. Hence the SSD OCD we see here so often. Which always involves reinstalling a fresh copy of Windows, too. ????

6 hours ago, Bruno123 said:

An SSD will solve the issue without him needing any specialist knowledge.

Not necessarily. ????

6 hours ago, Bruno123 said:

The HDD is the bottleneck, making having an i7 a complete waste.

This kind of exaggeration doesn't enhance your credibility.

You might read up a bit more on the issue to enhance your understanding.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-update-slows-computer-to-a-crawl-and/9f6bc18b-cf77-466e-b9d3-399a11abb40e

https://www.techadvisory.org/2019/08/is-your-windows-10-update-slow-heres-what-to-do/

Edited June 4, 2020 by BigStar

Bruno123 · June 4, 2020

15 minutes ago, BigStar said:

Merely a small lesson in logical thinking for the person to whom I responded.

Actually, there is (cough) doubt. Sorry. I guess the concept of SSD is something our experts can get their heads around, like Lego. Hence the SSD OCD we see here so often. Which always involves reinstalling a fresh copy of Windows, too. ????

Not necessarily. ????

This kind of exaggeration doesn't enhance your credibility.

You might read up a bit more on the issue to enhance your understanding.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-update-slows-computer-to-a-crawl-and/9f6bc18b-cf77-466e-b9d3-399a11abb40e

https://www.techadvisory.org/2019/08/is-your-windows-10-update-slow-heres-what-to-do/

You really need to stop the pointless distraction and Trolling. You are not helping KH in the slightest, only trying to save face for one reason or another. No one cares. about your face.

I clicked through your link and the first thing I saw was;

My Specs are as follows:

16 gigs ram

2TB Firecuda 2.5" Hard Disk Drive

Intel Core i7-6700HQ

No need to continue reading. The problem was the HDD.

Then I clicked through your second link.

Once again referring to problems with HDD.

Quote

Why do updates take so long to install?

Windows 10 updates take a while to complete because Microsoft is constantly adding larger files and features to them. The biggest updates, released in the spring and fall of every year, take upwards of four hours to install — if there are no problems. The process takes even longer if you have a fragmented or nearly filled hard drive.

None of this is an issue with a solid state drive.

We already know this, so why are you linking to articles that actually confirm my view that the HDD is the issue??

balo · June 4, 2020

If anyone still using a HDD over SSD, they can only blame themselves. After I upgraded all my old machines with SSD, everything runs like magic.

BigStar · June 5, 2020

16 hours ago, Bruno123 said:

No need to continue reading. The problem was the HDD.

Then I clicked through your second link.

Not reading anything is a large part of your problem, mitigates the need for "specialist knowledge" as you've observed, and so it's an utter waste of time to try to enlighten you. It wasn't a problem w/ the HDD, nor did M'soft support ever think it had anything to do with HDD vs SSD. Unlike yourself. ????

16 hours ago, Bruno123 said:

None of this is an issue with a solid state drive.

Only the issue in the 1st paragraph. ???? LOL.

16 hours ago, Bruno123 said:

We already know this, so why are you linking to articles that actually confirm my view that the HDD is the issue??

They didn't confirm your tunnel vision, sorry. ???? It's because of what you don't know. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, eh. One reason I've suggested to members that they go to real computer forums where they aren't subjected to all this knee jerk. OMG, there are forums where members even discuss customizing the Windows interface!

16 hours ago, Bruno123 said:

You are not helping KH in the slightest

KH didn't actually ask for help, if you read what he said rather than what you wanted him to say. He merely made an observation. The significance of that observation is unclear, probably trivial, and may have had nothing to do with I/O speeds. However, we've never been able to get over the fact that KH is happy enough with his HDD for now. Our members with SSD OCD immediately seized upon his observation to troll about that.

On 6/4/2020 at 8:08 AM, KhunHeineken said:

Turned on the computer, let it run through its start up process, then found it was running slow. Restarted it, same thing. Restarted again, same thing, but this time I investigated why and found Windows Updates was doing its thing. So, left the machine, came back later, restarted again, back to normal speed.

KH gives no times here. Could have been immediately after computer was turned on it was running slow. Of course it was and would have been with an SSD as well. I've got 4 SSDs and wouldn't expect I could just turn on my computer after a big update had started its install and it would be immediately finished.

So he may have immediately restarted it and of course the same thing happened. Finally he got tired of restarting (reminds me of that scene in The IT Crowd) and "came back later." We dunno how much later. For all he knew it might have finished the update in the next 2 minutes after he left. I do the same thing routinely, start an update on one computer and then I leave it.

Nor does KH, who has multiple computers (most of which have an upgraded installation of Win 10), describe his "leaving it" as any sort of traumatic experience that he can never face again. ???? He does have a common complaint voiced a million times after every update: Win 10 updates tend to be slow and inconvenient. Period, no matter all the veneration here about SSDs, which we dearly love. Remember, I have 4 of 'em. But I also don't adopt little simple-minded solutions for people's computer problems--IF they indeed have a problem.

Bruno123 · June 5, 2020

15 hours ago, BigStar said:

Not reading anything is a large part of your problem, mitigates the need for "specialist knowledge" as you've observed, and so it's an utter waste of time to try to enlighten you. It wasn't a problem w/ the HDD, nor did M'soft support ever think it had anything to do with HDD vs SSD. Unlike yourself. ????

Only the issue in the 1st paragraph. ???? LOL.

They didn't confirm your tunnel vision, sorry. ???? It's because of what you don't know. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, eh. One reason I've suggested to members that they go to real computer forums where they aren't subjected to all this knee jerk. OMG, there are forums where members even discuss customizing the Windows interface!

KH didn't actually ask for help, if you read what he said rather than what you wanted him to say. He merely made an observation. The significance of that observation is unclear, probably trivial, and may have had nothing to do with I/O speeds. However, we've never been able to get over the fact that KH is happy enough with his HDD for now. Our members with SSD OCD immediately seized upon his observation to troll about that.

KH gives no times here. Could have been immediately after computer was turned on it was running slow. Of course it was and would have been with an SSD as well. I've got 4 SSDs and wouldn't expect I could just turn on my computer after a big update had started its install and it would be immediately finished.

So he may have immediately restarted it and of course the same thing happened. Finally he got tired of restarting (reminds me of that scene in The IT Crowd) and "came back later." We dunno how much later. For all he knew it might have finished the update in the next 2 minutes after he left. I do the same thing routinely, start an update on one computer and then I leave it.

Nor does KH, who has multiple computers (most of which have an upgraded installation of Win 10), describe his "leaving it" as any sort of traumatic experience that he can never face again. ???? He does have a common complaint voiced a million times after every update: Win 10 updates tend to be slow and inconvenient. Period, no matter all the veneration here about SSDs, which we dearly love. Remember, I have 4 of 'em. But I also don't adopt little simple-minded solutions for people's computer problems--IF they indeed have a problem.

I didn't need to read, because if the problem in the link was similar to the problem KH described, the problem would be the HDD.

But your first link has nothing to do with the problem KH has described.

KH's issue:

Quote

My computer was running slow a while ago. Restarted it, twice. Restarted my modem and speed tested the internet. Computer still running slow. Turned out to be Windows Updates running in the background.

The issue is with his HDD. I don't experience any slowdown with updates, with a much inferior device, fitted with a solid state drive.

You are just Trolling in the hope of recapturing the face you have lost. But that boat has already sailed. Not a single person here agrees with you, not even KH.

Your solution is that he just has to put up with it because it is normal for an HDD.

So you have no solution at all.

OCD or perhaps malice seems an apt description for why you would create such long winded posts in order to prevent KH from getting the best from his desktop.

thaibeachlovers · June 5, 2020

On 11/29/2019 at 10:08 PM, 4675636b596f75 said:

Not true. Windows 10 on a proper machine is more secure than Windows 7.

I still like XP. On older computers I install Windows 7 and turn off all that is not necessary. Have you ever seen a Windows machine running at 1 percent? That is how mine work. Keep windows 7 especially if you have an older machine. You will not like 10 on a non-suitable machine.

Seeing as this zombie thread has been resurrected-

I wasn't referring to security, but ease of use. 10 is an abomination in comparison to 7 when it comes to stupid ways of doing things like view and new folder. Both easy to use on 7 but have to change from home to view and visa versa all the time on 10.

Invented by idiots that live in lala land, IMO.

Only thing better on 10 is the Photoshop rip off which is good enough for what I do, but it gets tired too quickly.

There's a special seat in hell reserved for the <deleted> that thought up panes and quick access.

Edited June 5, 2020 by thaibeachlovers

BigStar · June 6, 2020

7 hours ago, Bruno123 said:

But your first link has nothing to do with the problem KH has described.

You don't know whether the problems in the first link OR possible problems in the 2nd link do or not, for 2 simple reasons:

You didn't read the articles;
Neither you nor anyone else bothered to ask KH any specifics, perhaps because lacking the "specialist knowledge" needed to analyze the specifics.

'Cause you know. ????

7 hours ago, Bruno123 said:

I don't experience any slowdown with updates, with a much inferior device, fitted with a solid state drive.

So you say. But all installations are different in their hardware and software configurations. Other people with solid state drives do experience slowdowns, as you'd discover if you (cough) merely googled. Whoops.

7 hours ago, Bruno123 said:

You are just Trolling in the hope of recapturing the face you have lost. But that boat has already sailed. Not a single person here agrees with you, not even KH.

No, actually I'm having a laugh from earned self-confidence and never expect the peanut gallery to agree with me. KH hasn't agreed that this particular slowdown was caused by his HDD or confirmed that it would end IF he cloned the same Win 10 installation to an SSD. He couldn't possibly know that anyway, nor could you, so his "agreement" would be worthless.

7 hours ago, Bruno123 said:

Your solution is that he just has to put up with it because it is normal for an HDD.

I gave no such "solution," nor, as I told you, did KH ask for any "solution." Mere reading may be the issue here. Before I give any solution, when asked with regard to what someone thinks is a problem, I get all the details. ????

7 hours ago, Bruno123 said:

OCD or perhaps malice seems an apt description for why you would create such long winded posts in order to prevent KH from getting the best from his desktop.

I think, though it's a waste of time, that someone occasionally should defend the poor supplicants here from receiving simple-minded know-it-all dogmatic advice to spend their money and time when they don't want to or necessarily need to. Their money and time, their decision.

KH didn't ask to get the best from his desktop. Initially he merely asked about upgrading to 10, only to subjected to constant SSD rants & chants from the SSD OCD brigade and told he had to reinstall, not upgrade. He dared state he didn't want an SSD right now, which was simply infuriating. He reinstalled and paid for no new hardware, no new Windows licenses, and no installation fees. ???? Up to him.

Then he dared ask about making the Win 10 user interface a bit friendlier, as millions have (including myself; in fact I used the bblean shell even for Win XP)--only to be called a caveman and told he absolutely must waste his time unnecessarily coping with the stupid Win 10 interface.

He asked, quite reasonably and legitimately, about increasing privacy protection, decreasing annoyance from M'softs spying and ads, and removing bloat--only to have it all poo-pooed and the supremacy of Candy Crush affirmed. With, incidentally, a nice dose of false information.

Then he didn't like the Win 10 update process, which few do anywhere in the world except here, where suddenly the Win 10 update process is just all fine & dandy. ???? (Indeed, nobody uses a HDD here for anything! OMG, somebody buy me 2 4 TB SSDs to replace my data disks!) Then he reported a slowdown, with no real details, not asking for any "help," which our SSD brigade seized upon again with renewed vigor after no analysis whatsoever. ????

Edited June 6, 2020 by BigStar

Bruno123 · June 6, 2020

1 hour ago, BigStar said:

You don't know whether the problems in the first link OR possible problems in the 2nd link do or not, for 2 simple reasons:

<snip>

I don't read what you write either.

If it doesn't solve the problem for KH, it is useless. Long winded and pointless.

I have fixed thousands of problems remotely for consumers. I know it's best to keep it simple.

For KH, the answer is an SSD as his Boot drive. Simples.

BigStar · June 7, 2020

On 6/6/2020 at 1:55 PM, Bruno123 said:

If it doesn't solve the problem for KH, it is useless. Long winded and pointless.

Which, as I noted with reason, your posts re: KH's observations, not problems, are useless. Short winded (of course) and pointless. Earlier, when KH had an actual inquiry, I gave him knowledgeable advice but I had to fight off a lot of hostility from our experts to do so.

On 6/6/2020 at 1:55 PM, Bruno123 said:

I have fixed thousands of problems remotely for consumers. I know it's best to keep it simple.

A fix can be quite simple, true, after you know what is causing the problem, as in this case you don't. All you have is a repetition that you know 'cause you know. ????

Assertions of superior authority based on claims of longer experience don't count for anything on the 'net and especially not on TVF. Sorry. In fact here we need no experience whatsoever to know with absolute certainly.

So, with such technical advice as this, I'd suggest that should KH register at some of these forums, among others, for knowledgeable, civilized techs who not only can read but also will treat his concerns with sympathy and respect. (Well, I dunno if links to specialist forums are allowed here, but KH can PM me if he's interested.) Topics forbidden here are discussed openly and freely there. ????

https://www.tenforums.com/general-support/

https://reddit.com/r/Windows10TechSupport/

https://www.neowin.net/forum/

Edited June 7, 2020 by BigStar

Bruno123 · June 7, 2020

I hope you don't mind, but I have utilised the Ignore function in so I can focus on the subject of the thread, as opposed to having to scroll through blocks of irrelevant text.

BigStar · June 7, 2020

2 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:

I hope you don't mind, but I have utilised the Ignore function in so I can focus on the subject of the thread, as opposed to having to scroll through blocks of irrelevant text.

Absolutely no problem. ???? I'll continue to point out the irrelevance, or even relevance, of your "solutions" as I happen to run across them, for the concerned posters.

purpleorchid · June 23, 2020

It is time to upgrade Windows 7 to Windows 10.

KhunHeineken · June 26, 2020

On 6/4/2020 at 1:17 AM, stouricks said:

Correct. The updates come down the internet and are then stored on your disk drive. If that drive is 10 times faster, the updates will be sorted out and stored faster. Your HDD is the bottle- neck on your system.

Did you think about doing your updates at night time when you are not otherwise using your PC, or at boot up in the morning when you are making your cuppa?

Also, run something like Glary Utilities to get rid of junk & temp files. I just recovered 9 GB on my SSD and boot up in 29 seconds (OLD i5 & 250 SSD, 8 GB RAM)

Also, run Windows Disk Clean Up, System Files, to get rid of previous W10 update files and keep only the latest System Protection back-ups.

It was only ever the large feature updates that slowed down the computer to painful usage. I keep it clean and updated, but I accept SSD's are faster.

KhunHeineken · June 26, 2020

On 6/4/2020 at 2:34 AM, MJKT2014 said:

Sorry but your arguments for wanting to avoid Win10 updates and make it look like Win7 carry little weight when you still think an HDD is OK in this day and age.

You are not understanding the point of my OP. It's about people who prefer the Windows 7 UI, not prefer Windows 7 with no update support in 2020. Eg, the tiles. No thanks.

Millions of people are using Classic Shell or Open Shell, and a few other programs that do the same job. I am one of them.

Somehow the topic has deviated a little to a debate about HDD's v SSD's. I am not pro HDD or anti SSD. I simply don't like the Windows 10 UI, not to mention all the bugs each major update has.

stouricks · June 26, 2020

9 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

It was only ever the large feature updates that slowed down the computer to painful usage. I keep it clean and updated, but I accept SSD's are faster.

Upgraded both my PCs yesterday to W10 2004 ( I know why was it not called 0420!) Took 15 minutes to download and install, but then 30 minutes to 'Work on the Upgrades'. I went out and washed the car while it was doing it. Not noticed any significant difference in speed or features. The only app which needed re-installing was.........Classic Shell, but now it is OK.

Edited June 26, 2020 by stouricks

KhunHeineken · June 26, 2020

On 6/4/2020 at 5:35 AM, Bruno123 said:

To quote Bill Clinton who paraphrased James Carville, "It's the hardware, stupid"

Windows Updates don't take place in fresh air, they are running on your inadequate hardware, i.e, your hard drive.

Fit an SSD or just continue to give yourself a headache due to your own stubbornness.

It's not about HDD v SSD.

It's about Windows 7 UI v Windows 10 UI, although each feature update of Windows 10 presents more bugs for users to iron out.

How many build numbers is Windows 10 up to now? Windows 10 may as well be called Windows 14.

An SSD isn't going to fix an OS that is not properly tested before release to the public.

KhunHeineken · June 26, 2020

On 6/4/2020 at 5:55 AM, Bruno123 said:

I have a low end processor that is more than ten years old and I don't notice when Windows Updates are running.

The bottleneck on my laptop is the processor. The bottleneck on your PC is your HDD.

Get rid of the bottleneck or accept you will have this ongoing issue.

I accept the HDD is the bottle neck of my system, I don't accept it's a big issue.

The issue is I prefer the Windows 7 UI to the Windows 10 UI and running Classic Shell does not use up that much system resources.

KhunHeineken · June 26, 2020

On 6/5/2020 at 6:04 AM, BigStar said:

Not reading anything is a large part of your problem, mitigates the need for "specialist knowledge" as you've observed, and so it's an utter waste of time to try to enlighten you. It wasn't a problem w/ the HDD, nor did M'soft support ever think it had anything to do with HDD vs SSD. Unlike yourself. ????

Only the issue in the 1st paragraph. ???? LOL.

They didn't confirm your tunnel vision, sorry. ???? It's because of what you don't know. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, eh. One reason I've suggested to members that they go to real computer forums where they aren't subjected to all this knee jerk. OMG, there are forums where members even discuss customizing the Windows interface!

KH didn't actually ask for help, if you read what he said rather than what you wanted him to say. He merely made an observation. The significance of that observation is unclear, probably trivial, and may have had nothing to do with I/O speeds. However, we've never been able to get over the fact that KH is happy enough with his HDD for now. Our members with SSD OCD immediately seized upon his observation to troll about that.

KH gives no times here. Could have been immediately after computer was turned on it was running slow. Of course it was and would have been with an SSD as well. I've got 4 SSDs and wouldn't expect I could just turn on my computer after a big update had started its install and it would be immediately finished.

So he may have immediately restarted it and of course the same thing happened. Finally he got tired of restarting (reminds me of that scene in The IT Crowd) and "came back later." We dunno how much later. For all he knew it might have finished the update in the next 2 minutes after he left. I do the same thing routinely, start an update on one computer and then I leave it.

Nor does KH, who has multiple computers (most of which have an upgraded installation of Win 10), describe his "leaving it" as any sort of traumatic experience that he can never face again. ???? He does have a common complaint voiced a million times after every update: Win 10 updates tend to be slow and inconvenient. Period, no matter all the veneration here about SSDs, which we dearly love. Remember, I have 4 of 'em. But I also don't adopt little simple-minded solutions for people's computer problems--IF they indeed have a problem.

You understand completely where I am coming from.

Many members here are pointing to my hardware, not the shortcomings of Windows 10, or my UI preference.

I have said time and time gain I accept SSD's are faster, way faster.

For about 98% af my computer usage, the HDD is fine for me. The OP is about the Windows 10 UI, and my dislike for it, and the various programs available to change it.

An SSD isn't going to make me happy with the Windows 10 UI.

KhunHeineken · June 26, 2020

I have replied individually to each member's posts to me, and appreciate all input, even if it's a bit off topic.

This is an update post.

I have since purchased an SSD. I bought a Samsung EVO 1TB (TLC) and I think I got it at a decent price. I have also bought a SATA cable and an adapter. I'll be leaving the HDD in the machine, but disconnected. This is why I went for a bigger capacity SSD. I'll plug in the HDD once a year and update it, then unplug it again. It can be a backup.

When the SSD arrives, which should be next week, I plan to use some software to clone my HDD and then I'll open up the case, unplug the HDD and plug in the SSD, and it should fire up. I'm happy to have any advice on this. The cloning is not a problem, but I am still unsure about the Windows 10 license for doing this.

I had to make a decision, do I keep all the rubbish built up on my computer over the years, install the SSD, and go "wow, that's fast." Or do I do a fresh install, clear all the rubbish out, make it fast again, even with a HDD, but then spend hours, if not days, reloading all my programs, clone it to an SSD and go, "wow, that is super fast." I opted for the fresh install, so I am expecting good results next week.

I now have a fresh install of Windows 10 Build 2004, but it didn't come without complications, namely, a graphics driver, which halted the 2004 install, and meant I had to repair Windows 10 to Build 1909, update the driver, then fresh install 2004. At least I think that's what made it work.

Prior to this, I was getting the windows notification that my computer wasn't ready for 2004, but Windows was getting it ready etc etc. All sounds simple to those more knowledgeable than me, but there were some anxious moments.

I immediately ran the Windows 10 privacy software, and installed Classic Shell, which is really what this thread is all about.

I have read many things on the internet about the bugs Windows 10 Build 2004 has, which are not all ironed out as yet, but I went ahead anyway.

When I look back on short 6 month journey with Windows 10, a couple of memorable issues were the telemetry, or Windows 10 spyware, which I learnt about on this thread, and disabling "Fast Start Up" which was causing shut down issues, which was enabled by default. I couldn't believe that was released to the world, as it caused me several hours of research and trying things before finding the fix.

Along the way, there have been other bugs to fix over my short 6 months of Windows 10 usage. Windows 7 only had Service Pack 1. Windows 10, through Build Numbers, must be up to Service Pack 4 or Windows 14 by now.

I miss the reliability of Windows 7. The forced Windows 10 Updates can be a problem, especially Windows Updates with drivers. With Windows 7 you could pick and chose your updates, but with Windows 10, the updates come in a package. Take all of the package, or get none of it. Not great options.

I will post again next week when the SSD is installed, so I hopes this ends the HDD v SSD debate and we can continue discussing Windows 7 v Windows 10, and how we can gain freedom of choice for Windows 10.

If the SSD install on my desktop goes smoothly, I'll upgrade my laptops with SSD's as well.

I continue to learn on this thread, so please keep posting your comments, advice, opinions, criticism, and insults. It's all good. ????

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