Anger erupts at U.N. climate summit as major economies resist bold action

By Matthew Green and Valerie Volcovici

 

A woman carries her luggage past a sign of the U.N. Climate Change Conference (COP25) in Madrid, Spain, December 14, 2019. REUTERS/Nacho Doce

 

MADRID (Reuters) - Major economies resisted calls for bolder climate commitments as a U.N. summit in Madrid limped towards a delayed conclusion on Saturday, dimming hopes that nations will act in time to stop rising temperatures devastating people and the natural world.

 

With the two-week gathering spilling into the weekend, campaigners and many delegates slammed Chile, presiding over the talks, for drafting a summit text that they said risked throwing the 2015 Paris Agreement to tackle global warming into reverse.

 

"At a time when scientists are queuing up to warn about terrifying consequences if emissions keep rising, and school children are taking to the streets in their millions, what we have here in Madrid is a betrayal of people across the world," said Mohamed Adow, director of Power Shift Africa, a climate and energy think-tank in Nairobi.

 

The annual climate marathon had been due to conclude on Friday, but dragged on with ministers mired in multiple disputes over implementing the Paris deal, which has so far failed to stem the upward march of global carbon emissions.

 

Long-time participants in the talks expressed outrage at the unwillingness of major polluters to show ambition commensurate with the gravity of the climate crisis, after a year of wildfires, cyclones, droughts and floods.

 

The European Union, small island states and many other nations had been calling for the Madrid decision to signal that the more than 190 countries participating in the Paris process will submit bolder pledges to cut emissions next year.

 

The agreement enters a crucial implementation phase in 2020, when countries are supposed to ratchet up their ambitions ahead of the next major round of talks in Glasgow.

 

If big economies such as China, India, Japan, Brazil, Australia and others fail to agree more meaningful climate action soon, then scientists say already slim hopes of averting catastrophic temperature rises will all but vanish.

 

'STRONG MESSAGE'

 

Although no advanced economy is yet on track for the kind of action scientists say is needed to steer the climate onto a safer path, all the EU's 28 member states, bar Poland, agreed in Brussels on Thursday to target net zero emissions by 2050.

 

Krista Mikkonen, Finland's environment minister, speaking on behalf of the EU, told the talks it would be "impossible to leave" without agreeing a "strong message" on the need to redouble pledges to cut emissions next year.

 

Ministers broke into groups on Saturday for eleventh-hour negotiations on a tangle of issues, including finance for climate-vulnerable countries, carbon markets, and the all-important issue of the strength of the summit's final text.

 

With the clock ticking, Andrés Landerretche, Chile's summit coordinator, said the goal was to conclude on Saturday.

"The vast majority of delegations are asking for a more ambitious text, and that's what we're aiming at," he told reporters.

 

Campaigners had said a draft text circulating earlier was among the worst they had seen at climate negotiations.

"The approach Chile has taken on this text shows how it has listened to the polluters and not to the people," said Jennifer Morgan, executive director of Greenpeace International.

 

The Paris process has been weakened by a move by U.S. President Donald Trump to begin withdrawing the world's largest historical emitter from the agreement last month, making it easier for other big countries to backslide.

 

(Writing by Matthew Green; Editing by Alex Richardson, Emelia Sithole-Matarise and Helen Popper)

 

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All the lies they tell the children will cost us big time in the future. The socialist revolution is all but guaranteed.

This climate alarmism has taken a very worrying turn. When the world's foremost and most vocal climate activist wants to start putting people "against the wall", and says that to cheering crowds, you know the movement needs banning. Immediately.

 There is no place for double standards. If right leaning groups said they wanted to put liberal leaders "against the wall" they would all be arrested, banned from all social media etc etc. Just waiting for clarity when Greta and her handlers will be arrested for hate crimes? 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7789463/Greta-Thunberg-arrives-Turin-Italy-star-turn-huge-climate-change-demonstration.html

"If big economies such as China, India, Japan, Brazil, Australia and others fail to agree more meaningful climate action soon, then scientists say already slim hopes of averting catastrophic temperature rises will all but vanish."

 

Climate change doomsday is irreversible.  These scientists are brilliant.  In their ability to fear monger.  55555555555555

 

Reminds me of so many sales pitches, "You must call xxx-xxxx within the next 5 minutes before this offer expires forever."

 

“A person may cause evil to others not only by his actions but by his inaction, and in either case he is justly accountable to them for the injury.”

 

John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

“A person may cause evil to others not only by his actions but by his inaction, and in either case he is justly accountable to them for the injury.”

 

John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

A great quote, no doubt, when applicable.

Just now, Tippaporn said:

A great quote, no doubt, when applicable.

As it is here. 

An example:

 

Someone yells, "Fire!"  But there is no fire.  The quote is not applicable.

 

Another example:

 

Someone yells, "Global warming!"  But there is no global warming.  The quote is also not applicable.

i got an email that i immediately had to confirm my bank account details

or the bank account would close and i would lose my deposit.

 

welp, i resisted the call for immediate action and instead went to the bank

asking whatsupwiththat ?

turns out there was no crisis, just another scammer trying

to con me out of money

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

An example:

 

Someone yells, "Fire!"  But there is no fire.  The quote is not applicable.

 

Another example:

 

Someone yells, "Global warming!"  But there is no global warming.  The quote is also not applicable.

However, there is man made climate change, so warnings are required. 
 

https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

However, there is man made climate change, so warnings are required. 

It's a belief.  Not a fact.  For some it's a belief and therefore a fact.  The two are conflated.

2 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

All the lies they tell the children will cost us big time in the future. The socialist revolution is all but guaranteed.

"The socialist revolution is all but guaranteed"...…. to fail. You forgot that part.

6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

It's a belief.  Not a fact.  For some it's a belief and therefore a fact.  The two are conflated.

You can believe that if you wish. 

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

"If big economies such as China, India, Japan, Brazil, Australia and others fail to agree more meaningful climate action soon, then scientists say already slim hopes of averting catastrophic temperature rises will all but vanish."

 

Climate change doomsday is irreversible.  These scientists are brilliant.  In their ability to fear monger.  55555555555555

 

Reminds me of so many sales pitches, "You must call xxx-xxxx within the next 5 minutes before this offer expires forever."

 

Does your children and grandchildren agree with you?

19 minutes ago, HuskerDo said:

"The socialist revolution is all but guaranteed"...…. to fail. You forgot that part.

Sure, they always fail, but they are rather inconvenient and lots of people turn up dead.

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

You can believe that if you wish. 

Just as you can believe what you wish.  But when I was growing up I was told to stay away from people like this.

 

14 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Does your children and grandchildren agree with you?

As of yet they haven't been brainwashed so there's nothing to agree/disagree about.

18 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Just as you can believe what you wish.  But when I was growing up I was told to stay away from people like this.

 

That irrelevant image has nothing to do with this thread. 
 

But good for you trying to use it to deny the facts behind man made climate change. 
 

https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/

Sound familiar:

 

“If big economies such as China, India, Japan, Brazil, Australia and others fail to agree more meaningful climate action soon, then scientists say already slim hopes of averting catastrophictemperature rises will all but vanish.“

 

Worth noting is the “...all but vanish...”.

 

This allows them to continue the teetering on the brink of disaster indefinitely. 
 

 

8 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

That irrelevant image has nothing to do with this thread. 
 

But good for you trying to use it to deny the facts behind man made climate change. 
 

https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/

The image is relevant.  It is symbolic and it's symbolism applies to the climate change doomsayers as well.

 

I do not deny the facts behind man made climate change.  I've never accepted them in the first place.

 

And you can spare me the IPCC rubbish.  I would never trust them for too many reasons to mention.  By all means, continue to nod your head if that is your preference.

16 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Sound familiar:

 

“If big economies such as China, India, Japan, Brazil, Australia and others fail to agree more meaningful climate action soon, then scientists say already slim hopes of averting catastrophictemperature rises will all but vanish.“

 

Worth noting is the “...all but vanish...”.

 

This allows them to continue the teetering on the brink of disaster indefinitely. 
 

 

Excellent observation, mogandave.  These people are clever enough to not box themselves in and have an out if, in 10 years time, none of their fantasy predictions come to pass.

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The image is relevant.  It is symbolic and it's symbolism applies to the climate change doomsayers as well.

 

I do not deny the facts behind man made climate change.  I've never accepted them in the first place.

 

And you can spare me the IPCC rubbish.  I would never trust them for too many reasons to mention.  By all means, continue to nod your head if that is your preference.

You can reject all the facts you wish, after all that is what deniers do, it doesn’t change the fact that man made climate change is a real. 

14 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

You can reject all the facts you wish, after all that is what deniers do, it doesn’t change the fact that man made climate change is a real. 

yeap, we caused the last sinus wave evolution to the right in this graph

4 hours ago, rooster59 said:

At a time when scientists are queuing up to warn about terrifying consequences if emissions keep rising

They will take off their clothes in the city center and shave bald...
just show them the right amount of €€€.

 

4 hours ago, rooster59 said:

 

Although no advanced economy is yet on track for the kind of action scientists say is needed to steer the climate onto a safer path, all the EU's 28 member states, bar Poland, agreed in Brussels on Thursday to target net zero emissions by 2050.

The Prussians returned to their better days fully when they moved back to Berlin.

It's about politics and money, the climate is just a stick.

 

Regardless of opinion about climate change is there something wrong with the concept of cleaning up the atmosphere, the waterways, the oceans?

Or is rampant pollution welcome?

4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

You can reject all the facts you wish, after all that is what deniers do, it doesn’t change the fact that man made climate change is a real. 

You are either being disingenuous or illogical.  You can't deny something if you've never believed it in the first place.  You can't be a denier if you've never been a believer.

 

Here's an example of what you and other climate alarmists do to those who do not blindly follow you:

 

Accuser:  So, when did you stop beating your wife?

 

Accused:  <deleted>??  I've never beaten my wife.

 

Accuser:  So, you're denying it!!!

 

Do you fail to see the twisted logic and disingenuity in the above example?  Yet this is precisely what you and other climate alarmists do.  You slanderously accuse those who do not agree with you via perverse logic.  Totally dishonest.

 

And I'm supposed to trust and believe people like you??  5555555555555

3 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

yeap, we caused the last sinus wave evolution to the right in this graph

https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/
 

Some reading for you. 

4 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

You are either being disingenuous or illogical.  You can't deny something if you've never believed it in the first place.  You can't be a denier if you've never been a believer.

 

Here's an example of what you and other climate alarmists do to those who do not blindly follow you:

 

Accuser:  So, when did you stop beating your wife?

 

Accused:  <deleted>??  I've never beaten my wife.

 

Accuser:  So, you're denying it!!!

 

Do you fail to see the twisted logic and disingenuity in the above example?  Yet this is precisely what you and other climate alarmists do.  You slanderously accuse those who do not agree with you via perverse logic.  Totally dishonest.

 

And I'm supposed to trust and believe people like you??  5555555555555

You are denying the facts of man made climate change, because you choose to. 
 

You do not disprove them, that makes you a denier. 
 

I do not ask you to believe or trust me, the entirety of this discourse has been initiated by yourself. 

 

6 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/
 

Some reading for you. 

IPCC are absolutely worthless, you might as well listen to a 15 year old