UK PM Johnson cannot keep Scotland in union against its will: Sturgeon

[overherebc]

1 hour ago, steve187 said:

are Geordies English??

 

[vogie]

5 minutes ago, kamahele said:

Yes, and now they want another one as the first one was held with the belief that the UK would remain in the EU. This is why voting is done periodically in a democracy.

Now a once in a lifetime referendum = periodically.????????????

[RuamRudy]

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

Now a once in a lifetime referendum = periodically.????????????

The fact that the only rebuttal being trotted out these days is this throwaway remark shows just how feeble the case for denying indyref2 actually is. 

[RuamRudy]

21 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Not much they can do except huff and puff.

 

Parliament is sovereign and Parliament will say No, unfortunately.  They had their chance and they voted to stay with the UK. 

And that is already forming the huff and puff arguments. How can a party with only 6 MPs and the backing of only a quarter of the electorate decide the future of our country? 

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

The fact that the only rebuttal being trotted out these days is this throwaway remark shows just how feeble the case for denying indyref2 actually is. 

You conveniently saying it is a throwaway remark, doesn't make it so.

 

The former First Minister claimed he had not used the phrase “once in a lifetime” in a 2014 television interview to describe the vote and insisted he had instead said it was the “opportunity of a lifetime.”

However, footage and an official transcript of the interview showed he did use the “once in a lifetime” phrase when asked whether he would pledge not to “bring back another referendum” if the nationalists lost.

Speaking to the BBC’s Andrew Marr on the Sunday before the September 2014 vote, Mr Salmond said: "In my view this is a once in a generation - perhaps even a once in a lifetime - opportunity."

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

You conveniently saying it is a throwaway remark, doesn't make it so.

 

The former First Minister claimed he had not used the phrase “once in a lifetime” in a 2014 television interview to describe the vote and insisted he had instead said it was the “opportunity of a lifetime.”

However, footage and an official transcript of the interview showed he did use the “once in a lifetime” phrase when asked whether he would pledge not to “bring back another referendum” if the nationalists lost.

Speaking to the BBC’s Andrew Marr on the Sunday before the September 2014 vote, Mr Salmond said: "In my view this is a once in a generation - perhaps even a once in a lifetime - opportunity."

So?

Salmond is no longer the leader of the SNP and was only giving his opinion.

Johnson said he would rather be dead in a ditch. Are you going to insist that is carried out?

[vogie]

Just now, Rookiescot said:

So?

Salmond is no longer the leader of the SNP and was only giving his opinion.

Johnson said he would rather be dead in a ditch. Are you going to insist that is carried out?

Deflect away.

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

Deflect away.

Avoid answering.

[Cereal]

1 hour ago, baboon said:

High time to get rid of us. And the Scouser thieves. And the Mancs. And the Welsh sheep shaggers. But you aren't left with much...

Is this written in English? ????

[RandolphGB]

1) It's not against their will, as pools show that the majority of Scots want to stay in the UK

2) Boris is PM of the UK, which includes Scotland, so he can do whatever he wants 

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, RandolphGB said:

1) It's not against their will, as pools show that the majority of Scots want to stay in the UK

2) Boris is PM of the UK, which includes Scotland, so he can do whatever he wants 

Not any more they dont.

[cmarshall]

13 minutes ago, RandolphGB said:

1) It's not against their will, as pools show that the majority of Scots want to stay in the UK

 

Not tenable after the SNP, whose main goal is independence, swept nearly all the seats last week.  

[Nigel Garvie]

19 minutes ago, Victornoir said:

I am happy that Greece remains in our union, even if it has weakened the Euro and therefore costs me a little. This country is a wealth which goes beyond occasional economic considerations.

The same goes for Scotland, Wales and NI if they are asking for a way going much further than trade.

Thank you. Your approach is an open minded, open hearted one that characterises the best qualities of European civilisation. It is exactly what the EU aspires to, and IMHO they have achieved it to a surprising degree, given the ugly puerile populism lurking on its fringes.

 

By contrast you have the selfish, narrow minded, mean hearted streak in the "Little Englanders" that has been ruthlessly exploited by the tax avoiding toffs that funded the Brexit campaign - hard to ascribe the word civilised to them.  

 

   2 hours ago,  baboon said: 

High time to get rid of us. And the Scouser thieves. And the Mancs. And the Welsh sheep shaggers. But you aren't left with much...

 

Geordies are first in the queue to join a new free Scotland, Hadrians wall was well positioned.

Meanwhile the Saxons, a people of "German" origin can retreat to a bunker in the South and East of England (The Angles gave us the name but settled in the North East largely). There they can count the money - like a cross between Shylock and Gollum - they have saved/made as a tax haven, . 

[ballpoint]

2 hours ago, steve187 said:

are Geordies English??

"Geordies?  I love them.  They're beautiful people.  A genetically engineered race of hawklike people whose sole responsibility it is to keep the Scots out of England".

 

Al Murray.

[Solinvictus]

The people of England voted for private insurance companies coming from the US along with the further reduction of the NHS. It's quite unfortunate as I figured people had more thought placed into their vote rather than the thoughts of the wealthy. Too bad.

 

J. Corybn seems to be a wonderful candidate not only for everyday working people but his views. Too bad. Just my opinion.

 

[trainman34014]

Little Krankie just wants to be famous and someday have a Statue of herself erected next to the one of William Wallace !

[trainman34014]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Not much they can do except huff and puff.

 

Parliament is sovereign and Parliament will say No, unfortunately.  They had their chance and they voted to stay with the UK. 

Yes; it's not another 'two out of three' contest as the <deleted> tried to make it in England !

[david555]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Now a once in a lifetime referendum = periodically.????????????

Just like E.U. extensions to U.K. in a row ….???? now , the end  2020 extension is already in the planning , spoken of "periodically..."  ????????????

[dabhand]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

The fact that the only rebuttal being trotted out these days is this throwaway remark shows just how feeble the case for denying indyref2 actually is. 

The 'once in a generation' remark was contained in the Scottish Government White Paper of November 2013. Stated by Alex Salmond in his position as First Minister of Scotland. 

Throwaway remark? Hardly.

 

[dabhand]

2 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Subsequent polling shows support for the EU now at 74%.

 

But using your own argument, only 37% of the UK voted in favour of Brexit. 

Would be interested in your source for the 74% support level.

This list of polling results does not appear to back up your claim.

 

http://whatscotlandthinks.org/questions/how-would-you-vote-in-a-second-eu-referendum#table

[Baerboxer]

5 hours ago, bristolgeoff said:

lets say boris holds the cards,krankie can only moan and beg.she can ask till the cows come home not going to happen,and in the house of commons he holds the cards they too

 

She will whine and moan, threaten and demand and keep going like a demented toy with a long life battery stuck up her <deleted>.

 

That's what she does. Anything to get attention. She's an egotistical power hungry attention seeker who wants her fame in the history books and to tour the world as a "world leader" and attend glittering conferences. She's a typical National Socialist.

 

Scotland's population and electorate represent tiny fractions of the UK's. She represents a tiny fraction. And although she always tries to be the tail wagging the dog, she's really a very tiny tail.

 

 

[Baerboxer]

58 minutes ago, dabhand said:

The 'once in a generation' remark was contained in the Scottish Government White Paper of November 2013. Stated by Alex Salmond in his position as First Minister of Scotland. 

Throwaway remark? Hardly.

 

 

If the result of that referendum had been Yes to independence, you can rest assured that Salmond and Sturgeon would have tried to make sure it was once in a generation! And they would have tried to concoct rules to make sure it could never be challenged.

 

National socialists only support democracy when they get the result they want.

[robertson468]

4 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Things have changed since then.

Only in her mind!

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, Solinvictus said:

The people of England voted for private insurance companies coming from the US along with the further reduction of the NHS. It's quite unfortunate as I figured people had more thought placed into their vote rather than the thoughts of the wealthy. Too bad.

 

J. Corybn seems to be a wonderful candidate not only for everyday working people but his views. Too bad. Just my opinion.

 

 

A wonderful candidate - a geriatric Stalinist who wants to impose a 4 day working week, nationalize swathes of industry, scrap immigration controls altogether, openly supports terrorists who murder innocents, women and children, wants to put his senile former mistress in as Home Secretary, and supports totalitarian communist regimes that persecute, torture and arrest opposition? 

 

Thankfully the British electorate aren't as seemingly easily conned as you.

[cmarshall]

1 hour ago, Solinvictus said:

The people of England voted for private insurance companies coming from the US along with the further reduction of the NHS. It's quite unfortunate as I figured people had more thought placed into their vote rather than the thoughts of the wealthy. Too bad.

 

J. Corybn seems to be a wonderful candidate not only for everyday working people but his views. Too bad. Just my opinion.

 

A lot of the blame for the disaster of the election falls squarely on Corbyn's shoulders.  He could have made a coalition government that would have thrown Johnson out, but because the new PM wouldn't be Corbyn, he refused Labour's support.  Then Corbyn, along with the SNP and Lib Dems, supported a new election, for which the best possible outcome would have been another hung parliament while the worst we have seen come to pass.  Would not have happened if Corbyn had agreed on, say, Caroline Lucas as the compromise PM.  But no, it had to be Corbyn himself and no one else even at the price of a large Tory majority.  Corbyn's policies are okay, but his leadership is a complete and utter failure.  Blair would never have made such mistakes, but then he might have led the UK into another war.

 

And after Scotland leaves Labour may never win another election.

[david555]

7 minutes ago, robertson468 said:

Only in her mind!

Did the U.K. said that to Gandhi also ...or the Mau-mau from Kenia ...and so many others ..?????

They ALL got their Independence 

 

If the majority wishing so from  that population is big enough nothing stop it

[cmarshall]

2 minutes ago, david555 said:

Did the U.K. said that to Gandhi also ...or the Mau-mau from Kenia ...and so many others ..?????

They ALL got their Independence 

 

If the majority wishing so from  that population is big enough nothing stop it

Not to forget the United States of America.

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Thank you. Your approach is an open minded, open hearted one that characterises the best qualities of European civilisation. It is exactly what the EU aspires to, and IMHO they have achieved it to a surprising degree, given the ugly puerile populism lurking on its fringes.

 

By contrast you have the selfish, narrow minded, mean hearted streak in the "Little Englanders" that has been ruthlessly exploited by the tax avoiding toffs that funded the Brexit campaign - hard to ascribe the word civilised to them.  

 

   2 hours ago,  baboon said: 

High time to get rid of us. And the Scouser thieves. And the Mancs. And the Welsh sheep shaggers. But you aren't left with much...

 

Geordies are first in the queue to join a new free Scotland, Hadrians wall was well positioned.

Meanwhile the Saxons, a people of "German" origin can retreat to a bunker in the South and East of England (The Angles gave us the name but settled in the North East largely). There they can count the money - like a cross between Shylock and Gollum - they have saved/made as a tax haven, . 

 

Start off praising multicultural harmony. Then descend into historically inaccurate racist drivel. 

 

What's next - Scotland for the Picts or their descendants. Throw all those more recent 19th century immigrants back to whence they came from?

 

Orkneys and Shetlands to declare UDI - may remain in the UK, join the EU or Norway?

 

Glasgow to become a Free city? 

 

SNP reintroduce the hated "Named Persons Act" and all children to join the Sturgeon Youth?

 

A minority who can't accept democracy in which they can't badger, threaten, demand that the majority do as they want to dictate? So they threaten to take their ball away.

 

And then join an even bigger democracy, in which they'll become an even smaller minority. So they'll have even less say, And what they gonna do when they can't get their own way then? 

 

Seems more driven by inherent racist bias than logic.

 

 

[david555]

1 minute ago, cmarshall said:

Not to forget the United States of America.

Oh ...gosh … how I could forget them , "well trained redcoats "loosing from … colonists ,not a trained army , just fighting for their existing & freedom

 

However with "some" help from the French I thought …?

[Baerboxer]

8 minutes ago, david555 said:

Did the U.K. said that to Gandhi also ...or the Mau-mau from Kenia ...and so many others ..?????

They ALL got their Independence 

 

If the majority wishing so from  that population is big enough nothing stop it

 

Did France say that to Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco, Viet Nam, Cambodia?

 

But they do to Corsica,

 

Did Spain say that to Mexico, Bolivia, Chile, Venezuela ?

 

But they do to Catalonia,

 

Did the US say that to the Philippines?

 

But they did to the Confederacy.

 

Do you understand the difference between former colonial powers giving the countries they colonized by force back to the original people and a part of a sovereign country wanting to break away?