UK PM Johnson plans to block extension of Brexit transition beyond 2020

[david555]

10 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

And the reasoning for that? He has a large majority in paliament, why would they force an extension against his wishes?

 

Answer: Even his own MPs will turn against him when the penny finally drops and even they realise that it's all part of his cunning plan to take the UK out of Europe on no deal and bust the economy. For Mogg and Johnson's backers, kerching!

However even when this bill get passed HOC. it can only benefit those who want a no deal , as it is not only the U.K. or only the E.U. signatures needed but from both to finalize a deal or the witdraw agreement  ...

 

And this Boris plan get sure a total NO in Brussels ! .As it need to be approved on E.U. side by 27 nations …… forget that to happen in this version …..

 

He is once more popping up his ego , it shall only having a reverse effect once crossed the channel ... 

So back in time , a rehearsal from former year(s), but no worry's for Boris his main option stay ….. he is PM for years …. (personal target reached )

 

 

 

[sandyf]

16 hours ago, englishoak said:

Politicians are liars and cannot be trusted including Boris we all know that. However,Politicians will actually do what they say if they believe it is in their best interest, this applies very much to Boris and his current position.

 

Example our Fishing rights in negotiations with the EU. Most would and are expecting Boris to hand them over but I dont. Why ? quite simply because of Scotland. Y'see Scotland wants control over its fishing rights, something the EU would never allow a member state but it would have it in the  UK, this would be a very useful tool against Sturgeon  and id say its in Johnsons best interest to keep the fishing rights as a tool to use regarding Scotland's future and leaving.

People make too much out of fishing rights. Offshore fishing is only one part of Scotland's fishing industry, what is more valuable to Scotland is fish farming and seafood processing. Those sectors of the industry see their future with the EU. There is a great deal more jobs tied up in those sectors than in offshore fishing, just that the offshore fishermen have been more vocal.

It is inevitable that fishing rights will be traded off against salmon and seafood exports to the EU.

 

"Last year, the UK exported £489m worth of seafood and aquatic products to France, making the UK's nearest neighbor in continental Europe its biggest export market. In total, 71% of UK exports go to EU countries." https://www.undercurrentnews.com/2019/04/10/trade-insights-more-than-70-of-uk-seafood-exports-go-to-eu/

 

Bojo is not interested in an extensive trade deal with the EU, like Arthur Daley he just wants something he can sell as a good runner.

A comprehensive trade deal would restrict what he could give away to the US, they want to sell the UK Cornish pasties and Cumberland sausage.

[Letseng]

18 hours ago, vogie said:

The £ is on it's way back now we are definately leaving, surprise surprise twas the remainers holding it back all the time.

£ is back up? Really? Lost again on BoJo's announcement.

JRM and  friends make big money on manipulating the £. And you think the markets have genuine confidence?

BTW, I'm not a Brit. Just live in the real world.

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

that's the spirit....have you converted? 

Nope.

I still believe Brexit is the biggest act of self harm the UK has or will ever inflict upon itself.

However, given the result of the GE the people of England seem determined to go ahead with this. So lets get it done.

Scotland on the other hand does not want Brexit. So we should go our separate ways.

 

[david555]

8 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Nope.

I still believe Brexit is the biggest act of self harm the UK has or will ever inflict upon itself.

However, given the result of the GE the people of England seem determined to go ahead with this. So lets get it done.

Scotland on the other hand does not want Brexit. So we should go our separate ways.

 

 Sturgeon should thank Boris for this politic gift , as those in Scotland who would still doubt …,having a wake up call now !

 

Banning even his ministers visiting Davos economic meeting …..! has anybody still doubts he has dictator genes growing …?

[Mister Fixit]

20 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

The Kinnocks, both, have been in that gravy train for some time too.

 

Disgraceful that the upper house is now a trough for rejected politicians, sports people and other assorted entertainers, a few clergy and legal eagles. 

 

 

Agreed.  One of the best things Johnson could ever do would be to reform drastically the House of Lords and cull the numbers by at least 50%. Also, stipulate a minimum number and length of attendances per month and no pay if the figures aren't met.

 

It won't happen though because that's how chums are rewarded.

[pixelaoffy]

And now EU threatening to expel Poland. Of course Poland's not a net contributor so the EU  dont really care. Of course it never would say such a thing  to the Uk with all the money it contributes to it coffers (soon to end). EU the Shrinking monolith to failure.

 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50828516

[Letseng]

3 minutes ago, pixelaoffy said:

And now EU threatening to expel Poland. Of course Poland's not a net contributor so the EU  dont really care. Of course it never would say such a thing  to the Uk with all the money it contributes to it coffers (soon to end). EU the Shrinking monolith to failure.

 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50828516

You should read what the article says. Not the EU threatens to kick Poland out. The Polish supreme court said that Poland may have to leave.

Read before your fingers hit the keyboard.

[billd766]

13 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

May said 7000 military personnel in Scotland pay more tax because they earn over 60,000 pounds per year?

How many Generals have we got?

Look it up on Google.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

What do you suggest as the alternative Bill, abolish the tax and have the service people pay English prices to send children to University and prescriptions etc.

You realise that by compensating the military in Scotland they are effectively giving them a pay rise over personnel serving elsewhere.

Actually the troops are not getting paid more for serving in Scotland, they are getting what we used to call LOA, a Local Overseas Allowance to compensate for being posted to Scotland. I used to get it for Bahrain and Singapore IIRC but my memory is a bit hazy that far back. When they are posted from Scotland, the allowance ceases.

[stevenl]

36 minutes ago, pixelaoffy said:

And now EU threatening to expel Poland. Of course Poland's not a net contributor so the EU  dont really care. Of course it never would say such a thing  to the Uk with all the money it contributes to it coffers (soon to end). EU the Shrinking monolith to failure.

 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50828516

There is alreaqdy a threat about that. The reasons for possible leaving/getting expelled are not comparable at all.

[Rookiescot]

38 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Look it up on Google.

I dont have to.

There is no way 7000 servicemen and women are posted to Scotland and having to pay more tax.

Which is what you are trying to claim.

[englishoak]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

People make too much out of fishing rights. Offshore fishing is only one part of Scotland's fishing industry, what is more valuable to Scotland is fish farming and seafood processing. Those sectors of the industry see their future with the EU. There is a great deal more jobs tied up in those sectors than in offshore fishing, just that the offshore fishermen have been more vocal.

It is inevitable that fishing rights will be traded off against salmon and seafood exports to the EU.

 

"Last year, the UK exported £489m worth of seafood and aquatic products to France, making the UK's nearest neighbor in continental Europe its biggest export market. In total, 71% of UK exports go to EU countries." https://www.undercurrentnews.com/2019/04/10/trade-insights-more-than-70-of-uk-seafood-exports-go-to-eu/

 

Bojo is not interested in an extensive trade deal with the EU, like Arthur Daley he just wants something he can sell as a good runner.

A comprehensive trade deal would restrict what he could give away to the US, they want to sell the UK Cornish pasties and Cumberland sausage.

 

I agree currently its overskewed towards onshore farming and processing, but thats simply down to EU quotas and regulation stopping it fishing its own waters... please read the Scottish govs papers on this and independence https://www.gov.scot/publications/scotlands-future-scottish-fisheries/pages/2/ 

 

You can see by the chart below who gets the allocations atm, the UK actually gets more... ridiculous imo 

 

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Do not underestimate the lost value of this Island nations limitations to its own fishing waters. Both in revenue and employment. Overall its potential and long term value is worth more to the EU than its car industries exports its also far more sustainable and imo is really the true value in Scotland. The irony is this paper although written in support of independence, Sturgeon and SNP would actually hand it all over to the EU and her masters. 

 

Boris is indeed superficial like all politicians and would not be the one making these deals or even negotiations just the direction and directed and aim,  hes a team player and listens to advice so its really more important who the negotiating players are. Gove might figure in that hes a leaver but its a bit early to say as yet, i will evaluate whats most likely when there is more to go on. 

[billd766]

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

I dont have to.

There is no way 7000 servicemen and women are posted to Scotland and having to pay more tax.

Which is what you are trying to claim.

You are the one who asked the question, not me.

 

Where did I claim that there were 7,000 servicemen and women based in Scotland? If you had read the BBC website you may have seen that it was Teresa May that said it. If you have a problem with those figures then I suggest that you contact her and tell her that she was wrong.

 

However just for you as you seem to be too lazy to research the facts I have done a quick search for you and came up with this link, though regrettably it is dated 02 February 2015.

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/406074/PUBLIC_1424367302.pdf

 

 

 

 

[Rookiescot]

14 hours ago, billd766 said:

Did you know that the UK military in England, Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland pay income tax? However in Scotland they get taxed again on their salary.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-47720303

This was your original post.

You state that in Scotland they get taxed again. You did not state "only those earning more than 60,000 pounds get taxed more".

You attempted to give the impression ALL military personnel in Scotland get taxed more. 

[vogie]

7 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

This was your original post.

You state that in Scotland they get taxed again. You did not state "only those earning more than 60,000 pounds get taxed more".

You attempted to give the impression ALL military personnel in Scotland get taxed more. 

 

All military earning over £26,000 get taxed more.

 

"Since April last year in Scotland, anyone earning more than around £26,000 in Scotland has paid more income tax. The change meant around 70% of personnel based in Scotland were facing higher tax bills."

Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson said:

[RuamRudy]

20 minutes ago, vogie said:

All military earning over £26,000 get taxed more.

 

"Since April last year in Scotland, anyone earning more than around £26,000 in Scotland has paid more income tax. The change meant around 70% of personnel based in Scotland were facing higher tax bills."

Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson said:

 

Living in Scotland has significant benefits for all - the Scottish government, as elected by the Scottish people, has a mandate to deliver on their promises. Theirs is not a low tax, low services doctrine. 

 

If you earn less than £15,000, in Scotland you pay slightly less tax the rest of the UK.

If you earn £33,000, you pay an additional £60 (sixty pounds) per year.

If you earn £50,000, you pay an additional £1,540 per year.

If you ear £200,000, you pay an additional £3,170 per year.

 

But what do you get for this money? You get a fairer, more inclusive society.

 

 

[englishoak]

5 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Living in Scotland has significant benefits for all - the Scottish government, as elected by the Scottish people, has a mandate to deliver on their promises. Theirs is not a low tax, low services doctrine. 

 

If you earn less than £15,000, in Scotland you pay slightly less tax the rest of the UK.

If you earn £33,000, you pay an additional £60 (sixty pounds) per year.

If you earn £50,000, you pay an additional £1,540 per year.

If you ear £200,000, you pay an additional £3,170 per year.

 

But what do you get for this money? You get a fairer, more inclusive society.

 

 

I agree its not working for England, you dont get a fairer society just a parasitic one. 

 

BTW your woefully 

 

 

[sandyf]

4 hours ago, billd766 said:

Actually the troops are not getting paid more for serving in Scotland, they are getting what we used to call LOA, a Local Overseas Allowance to compensate for being posted to Scotland. I used to get it for Bahrain and Singapore IIRC but my memory is a bit hazy that far back. When they are posted from Scotland, the allowance ceases.

Well aware of LOA Bill, and it is effectively being paid more, best I got was in Denmark, almost doubled the normal money.

The point being why should they get additional when they get benefits from being in Scotland that are not available to those serving in England, maybe it should actually be a "foreign territory" allowance.

[sandyf]

3 hours ago, englishoak said:

I agree currently its overskewed towards onshore farming and processing, but thats simply down to EU quotas and regulation stopping it fishing its own waters...

Obviously you chose to ignore what I said.

Scotland will not get full fishing rights to it's own waters, farming and processing sectors service large vulnerable areas of Scotland and far too dependent on the EU exports not to allow the EU into Scottish waters.

Bojo will be faced with a stark choice, either decimate a host of rural communities or break his promise to the offshore fishermen, he is not very good with promises.

[Rookiescot]

3 hours ago, vogie said:

All military earning over £26,000 get taxed more.

 

"Since April last year in Scotland, anyone earning more than around £26,000 in Scotland has paid more income tax. The change meant around 70% of personnel based in Scotland were facing higher tax bills."

Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson said:

No idea how I would check the validity of that 70% but it matters not. If 70% of the armed forces staying in Scotland are paying more tax then they must be earning good money so need to pay just like the rest of us.

They must be paying far better money now than they did when I was in.

 

Given Scotland just returned 48 out of 59 seats for the SNP then the tax policy must not be deemed to be much of an issue for most people.

[SheungWan]

6 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Nope.

I still believe Brexit is the biggest act of self harm the UK has or will ever inflict upon itself.

However, given the result of the GE the people of England seem determined to go ahead with this. So lets get it done.

Scotland on the other hand does not want Brexit. So we should go our separate ways.

So then, is Scotland prepared to drop Sterling for the Euro? It didn't happen last time.

[david555]

37 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Obviously you chose to ignore what I said.

Scotland will not get full fishing rights to it's own waters, farming and processing sectors service large vulnerable areas of Scotland and far too dependent on the EU exports not to allow the EU into Scottish waters.

Bojo will be faced with a stark choice, either decimate a host of rural communities or break his promise to the offshore fishermen, he is not very good with promises.

If you like to know what he has to throw of for that " Bare bone deal end 2020" (as called by E.U.) result..., check the pdf attachment 

The Bare bone deal result.pdf

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

No idea how I would check the validity of that 70% but it matters not. If 70% of the armed forces staying in Scotland are paying more tax then they must be earning good money so need to pay just like the rest of us.

They must be paying far better money now than they did when I was in.

 

Given Scotland just returned 48 out of 59 seats for the SNP then the tax policy must not be deemed to be much of an issue for most people.

They are earning the same salary as their comrades in the rest of the UK and paying tax at the same rate too. However Scotland is taxing their income as well as the UK so they are being penalised for being there. That is why they get the extra allowance.

 

The UK does not support double taxation so why does Scotland enforce it?

 

Would it be fair to tax all expats Scots in the UK using the same reasoning. If they did you would hear Nicola Sturgeon screaming all the way from Scotland down to London and beyond.

 

It is simply double standards that Scotland choose to make.

[baboon]

6 minutes ago, billd766 said:

They are earning the same salary as their comrades in the rest of the UK and paying tax at the same rate too. However Scotland is taxing their income as well as the UK so they are being penalised for being there. That is why they get the extra allowance.

 

The UK does not support double taxation so why does Scotland enforce it?

 

Would it be fair to tax all expats Scots in the UK using the same reasoning. If they did you would hear Nicola Sturgeon screaming all the way from Scotland down to London and beyond.

 

It is simply double standards that Scotland choose to make.

I thought all our rules were set by Brussels...? You can hardly blame the SNP....☺️

[billd766]

1 hour ago, baboon said:

I thought all our rules were set by Brussels...? You can hardly blame the SNP....☺️

Why can I not blame the SNP?

 

If all the rules were the same it would not be happening.

[englishoak]

3 hours ago, sandyf said:

Obviously you chose to ignore what I said.

Scotland will not get full fishing rights to it's own waters, farming and processing sectors service large vulnerable areas of Scotland and far too dependent on the EU exports not to allow the EU into Scottish waters.

Bojo will be faced with a stark choice, either decimate a host of rural communities or break his promise to the offshore fishermen, he is not very good with promises.

 

I didnt ignore what you said it was just pointless addressing supposition only, you dont "know" anything but you sure like to pretend you do. 

 

I get your butthurt, the EU will have no jurisdiction soon and you forget we put in far more to the EU than we get out and will have billions spare to do with as we wish or require. Why would we not use a $ of that to help industries. that require it. 

 

Id suggest you go away and look at the financial figures of what we put in except your probably way too lazy to do so. Boris has a lot to do and I dont know the man that well its true, but then neither do you and probably less with an open mind. 

 

  

[pixelaoffy]

4 hours ago, sandyf said:

Obviously you chose to ignore what I said.

Scotland will not get full fishing rights to it's own waters, farming and processing sectors service large vulnerable areas of Scotland and far too dependent on the EU exports not to allow the EU into Scottish waters.

Bojo will be faced with a stark choice, either decimate a host of rural communities or break his promise to the offshore fishermen, he is not very good with promises.

Really are in a fantasy world aren't you Sandyman! Fishing Waters are British and there will be a 200 mile exclusion zone for the Scottish fisherman. This choice of "decimate blah blah  .. is your own creation. Oh and the big promise by the PM is being enacted in just over a months time.. Do keep up.

[Nanglon]

Claims here that fisheries account for a mere 0.12% of UK economy. Yet emotions run high .... possibly a give away for Boris to achieve other more significant gains?

 

https://maritime-executive.com/editorials/brexit-s-impact-on-the-uk-s-fisheries 

[cleopatra2]

3 hours ago, billd766 said:

They are earning the same salary as their comrades in the rest of the UK and paying tax at the same rate too. However Scotland is taxing their income as well as the UK so they are being penalised for being there. That is why they get the extra allowance.

 

The UK does not support double taxation so why does Scotland enforce it?

 

Would it be fair to tax all expats Scots in the UK using the same reasoning. If they did you would hear Nicola Sturgeon screaming all the way from Scotland down to London and beyond.

 

It is simply double standards that Scotland choose to make.

They are not being taxed twice. They are paying the rate applicable in Scotland not the rest of UK.