Exclusive: Less than half of all Americans want Trump ousted post-impeachment - Reuters/Ipsos poll

[roobaa01]

2 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

What cave were you in around the time of the 2018 midterms?

not only that both houses are goin to fall in rep. hands. pelosi will be kicked out of her speaker chair, schiff put on trial for obstruction, power abuses. more conservative supreme court judges.

 

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[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Most ardent fans of Trump said the same as you but there are many swing states which demographic will played a key role that will give him lots of discomfort in 2020.  Those are states that he won with thin margins. That will be Georgia, Alabama, Texas among a slew of states. 

Should the Dems come up with a candidate that middle America can support Trump is toast, IMO. Otherwise he's 2020 to 2024.

I don't know what possessed the Dems to sabotage Bernie in favour of the pants suited one, but that's why they lost, IMO. Sadly for them, Bernie seems to be a man for the last election now. His heart attack probably ended his current attempt, but who knows?

[roobaa01]

36 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Should the Dems come up with a candidate that middle America can support Trump is toast, IMO. Otherwise he's 2020 to 2024.

I don't know what possessed the Dems to sabotage Bernie in favour of the pants suited one, but that's why they lost, IMO. Sadly for them, Bernie seems to be a man for the last election now. His heart attack probably ended his current attempt, but who knows?

so who is left

 

sillary ?? the whole fisa, steele dossier etc.. would be unloaded...

michelle ?? barrack needs to approve

bloomberg no way, the dem venezuela wing does not approve.

 

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[Sujo]

1 hour ago, roobaa01 said:

so who is left

 

sillary ?? the whole fisa, steele dossier etc.. would be unloaded...

michelle ?? barrack needs to approve

bloomberg no way, the dem venezuela wing does not approve.

 

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roobaa01

I dont think you should mention venezuela after what rudy has just been caught doing.

 

So tell me, do you want to know if the president has done wrong?

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, roobaa01 said:

so who is left

 

sillary ?? the whole fisa, steele dossier etc.. would be unloaded...

michelle ?? barrack needs to approve

bloomberg no way, the dem venezuela wing does not approve.

 

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roobaa01

Seriously? 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/11/11/everything-you-need-know-about-next-democratic-debate/?arc404=true

 

Plus Bloomberg of course. 

I'm pleased that I think the best choice with the best chance of creaming 45 other than Bloomberg is now solidly in the top 5.

 

AMY KLOBUCHAR! 

[mogandave]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

I dont think you should mention venezuela after what rudy has just been caught doing.

 

So tell me, do you want to know if the president has done wrong?

I thought we already knew he did wrong.

 

Isn’t that why he was impeached? 

[Sujo]

4 hours ago, mogandave said:

I thought we already knew he did wrong.

 

Isn’t that why he was impeached? 

No, thats the investigation to say he has a case to answer at trial.

 

But glad you know he did wrong.

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Seriously? 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/11/11/everything-you-need-know-about-next-democratic-debate/?arc404=true

 

Plus Bloomberg of course. 

I'm pleased that I think the best choice with the best chance of creaming 45 other than Bloomberg is now solidly in the top 5.

 

AMY KLOBUCHAR! 

Never heard of her.

[mogandave]

8 hours ago, Sujo said:

No, thats the investigation to say he has a case to answer at trial.

 

But glad you know he did wrong.

So he wasn’t impeached? 
 

I’ve never claimed he’s done nothing wrong. He’s done any number of things wrong. 
 

[Sujo]

11 minutes ago, mogandave said:

So he wasn’t impeached? 
 

I’ve never claimed he’s done nothing wrong. He’s done any number of things wrong. 
 

Yes congress has impeached him. That means he has a case to answer. Its not rocket science.

[roobaa01]

2 hours ago, Sujo said:

Yes congress has impeached him. That means he has a case to answer. Its not rocket science.

congress just voted on impeachment, thus they cannot impeach. hence the president is not impeached. impeachment is a process not a vote.

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[Jingthing]

36 minutes ago, roobaa01 said:

congress just voted on impeachment, thus they cannot impeach. hence the president is not impeached. impeachment is a process not a vote.

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roobaa01

 

 

Don't be silly. 

The house has the sole power to impeach. 

They drafted two articles of Impeachment and passed them. 

He is impeached.

There had been a delay in transmitting the passed impeachment articles to the senate where a political "trial" of some kind is supposed to be held. 

Don't fret.

It will be transmitted to the senate.

Of course it's extremely unlikely that the senate will conflict and remove it but it's not quite impossible. 

[roobaa01]

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Don't be silly. 

The house has the sole power to impeach. 

They drafted two articles of Impeachment and passed them. 

He is impeached.

There had been a delay in transmitting the passed impeachment articles to the senate where a political "trial" of some kind is supposed to be held. 

Don't fret.

It will be transmitted to the senate.

Of course it's extremely unlikely that the senate will conflict and remove it but it's not quite impossible. 

so noah feldman constitional law professor is silly ?? 

 

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roobaa01

[thaicurious]

Here is conservative aggregator Real Clear's totals to date, Jan 1, 2020, on what percentage of "Americans want Trump ousted post-impeachment":

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/public_approval_of_the_impeachment_and_removal_of_president_trump-6957.html

 

As you can see by their graph. Since Oct 1, 2019, percentages support, by five times as much (as measured by days each, alone, never mind by sheer size of differences in each day) the removal of the now impeached president Trump.

 

For a mere 15 days a small percentage more said don't toss him out of the White House. But for an entire 76 days so far, greater percentages said rid our White House of the impeached one.

 

Here are the particulars of their aggregating:

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/public_approval_of_the_impeachment_and_removal_of_president_trump-6957.html#polls

 

 

Who is Real Clear?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealClearPolitics

RealClearPolitics (RCP) is a Chicago-based political news, investigative journalism, and polling data aggregator…often from a conservative perspective….

 

Time magazine has described the site's commentary section as "right-leaning". The site has been described as being run by conservatives...

 

In an interview with the conservative magazine Human Events...We post a variety of opinions". He further stated, "we have a frustration all conservatives have", which is "the bias in media against conservatives, religious conservatives, [and] Christian conservatives".

 

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, roobaa01 said:

so noah feldman constitional law professor is silly ?? 

 

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roobaa01

You thought he was silly when giving evidence that what the president did was an impeachable offence.

 

You may also not be aware that he isnt the only law professor around.

[roobaa01]

4 hours ago, Sujo said:

You thought he was silly when giving evidence that what the president did was an impeachable offence.

 

You may also not be aware that he isnt the only law professor around.

more important noah feldstein is an arch democrat.

 

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roobaa01

[candide]

6 hours ago, thaicurious said:

Here is conservative aggregator Real Clear's totals to date, Jan 1, 2020, on what percentage of "Americans want Trump ousted post-impeachment":

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/public_approval_of_the_impeachment_and_removal_of_president_trump-6957.html

 

As you can see by their graph. Since Oct 1, 2019, percentages support, by five times as much (as measured by days each, alone, never mind by sheer size of differences in each day) the removal of the now impeached president Trump.

 

For a mere 15 days a small percentage more said don't toss him out of the White House. But for an entire 76 days so far, greater percentages said rid our White House of the impeached one.

 

Here are the particulars of their aggregating:

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/public_approval_of_the_impeachment_and_removal_of_president_trump-6957.html#polls

 

 

Who is Real Clear?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealClearPolitics

RealClearPolitics (RCP) is a Chicago-based political news, investigative journalism, and polling data aggregator…often from a conservative perspective….

 

Time magazine has described the site's commentary section as "right-leaning". The site has been described as being run by conservatives...

 

In an interview with the conservative magazine Human Events...We post a variety of opinions". He further stated, "we have a frustration all conservatives have", which is "the bias in media against conservatives, religious conservatives, [and] Christian conservatives".

 

Same trends here too

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

 

Interestingly enough, the latest polls show that while support for impeachment declined a bit around the time of the impeachment vote, it now tends to go up after the Republicans made clear they would not gear any witness.

[thaicurious]

15 hours ago, candide said:

Same trends here too

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

 

Interestingly enough, the latest polls show that while support for impeachment declined a bit around the time of the impeachment vote, it now tends to go up after the Republicans made clear they would not hear any witness.

Yeah, I'd seen that too but thought poetic to use a known conservative aggregator so alt-right wingers could rant at will against "fake news" they'd not like from their own source.

 

Also I observed similar to yours though I don't know if trends will go back up to where they tended. Or at least I was less sure until the most recent emails just came to light on Trump ordering the hold on Congressionally approved funds while being told his hold was both illegal and ill-advised by his own National Security advisors. Let's watch them argue no witnesses now and let's see how that changes public support both for the impeached one and for his complicit GOP Senate lackeys.

Edited January 3, 2020 by thaicurious

[bristolboy]

16 hours ago, candide said:

Same trends here too

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

 

Interestingly enough, the latest polls show that while support for impeachment declined a bit around the time of the impeachment vote, it now tends to go up after the Republicans made clear they would not gear any witness.

On the other hand, according to 538, if you ask voters if they approve of beginning the impeachment process or if theyi approve of it, then 52.3 currently support it and 42.0 don't. So Trump supporters' claim that impeachment was a witch hunt and  is going to hurt the Democrats seems unlikely.

[BobBKK]

On 1/2/2020 at 6:57 AM, Sujo said:

Yes congress has impeached him. That means he has a case to answer. Its not rocket science.

and the Dems are SO desperate and things are so URGENT they play games by not going to Senate?  grow up

[BobBKK]

17 hours ago, candide said:

Same trends here too

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

 

Interestingly enough, the latest polls show that while support for impeachment declined a bit around the time of the impeachment vote, it now tends to go up after the Republicans made clear they would not gear any witness.

following Dems lead - in fact Dems only called their own witnesses and, like karma, this will bite them in the **** sooner or later

[bristolboy]

58 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

and the Dems are SO desperate and things are so URGENT they play games by not going to Senate?  grow up

Maybe because more incriminating evidence keeps on accumulating?

[Sujo]

53 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

following Dems lead - in fact Dems only called their own witnesses and, like karma, this will bite them in the **** sooner or later

Nonthey didnt. They called witnesses that were relevant. Repubs could call relevant witnesses.

 

You do understand the difference between an investigation and a trial dont you.

 

do you also understand that if the senate does what you suggest they perjure themselves because before the trial they must swear an oath to be fair and impartial.

[thaicurious]

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

in fact Dems only called their own witnesses

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/even-republicans-preferred-witnesses-are-implicating-trump/2019/11/19/5e906cba-0aee-11ea-bd9d-c628fd48b3a0_story.html

THE HOUSE Intelligence Committee on Tuesday heard from two former Trump administration officials whose testimony was requested by Republicans. So it was striking that the stories they told simply added to the evidence that President Trump abused his office and twisted long-standing U.S. policy in Ukraine to serve his personal political interests.