"We didn't kill him, he killed himself": Police chief hits back at claims they kicked motorcyclist off his bike

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"We didn't kill him, he killed himself": Police chief hits back at claims they kicked motorcyclist off his bike

 

Picture: Daily News

 

The chief of police in Bang Bua Thong, Nonthaburi, north west of Bangkok has hit back at claims that one of his men kicked a motorcyclist off his bike.

 

The 28 year old man was fleeing a checkpoint at the time.

 

Pisanu died after coming off his Honda Wave. He suffered head injuries after mounting the footpath and hitting his head on signage on the Bang Kruay to Sai Noi Road.

 

A friend who was with him called Sasina said that he and the victim had been at a shop buying alcohol. After this they came to a police checkpoint and Pisanu turned back against traffic and was then kicked off his bike and killed by the police.

 

Chief Pol Col Siraphop Anusiri said that none of his men kicked the deceased off his bike.

 

He said there were three bikes one of which turned back and tried to flee causing the officers to reposition their checkpoint to stop him.

 

He killed himself trying to flee, he said.

 

Source: Daily News

 

 

 

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[Happy Grumpy]

I guess the CCTV is broken. ????

[rvaviator]

No helmet one would assume ... 

[richard_smith237]

We’ve seen enough videos of Police in Thailand kicking people who don’t stop off their bikes. 

 

So I don’t believe for a second the BiB did nothing. 

 

However, another facet is how else are the police supposed to stop people trying to flee a check-point?

 

If trying to flee a check-point these guys are obviously up to no good, drunk etc, down the line they could injure or kill and innocent pedestrian.

 

So, in this case its possible an innocent was protected by the actions of the Police, something we’ll never know. 

 

Unfortunately the deceased made his own bed, he crossed and line and paid for it with their life. 

 

Reckless endangerment by the Police? probably. Unwarranted? maybe not. 

 

 

 

[Nakmuay887]

I don't believe the cops. But play stupid games, win stupid prizes 

[RotBenz8888]

wouldn't be the first time...

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1008117-video-are-these-cops-kicking-a-man-off-his-motorbike/

[ThreeEyedRaven]

13 minutes ago, webfact said:

 

The chief of police in Bang Bua Thong, Nonthaburi, north west of Bangkok has hit back at claims that one of his men kicked a motorcyclist off his bike.

I have seen them do it with my own eyes more than once, so denying police do it doesn't work with me. There is a depth of stupidity beyond belief when they do it especially to those who aren't wearing a helmet. They know the dangers as people have died from exactly this before, so the cop should be charged with murder, pure and simple.

[colinneil]

Well col Siraphop, you actually believe your juniors?

Of course all policemen always tell the truth.????????????????????

In the 2 dealings i have had with them here, they all lied.

[CharlieH]

No they dont do it.........

 

 

[RJRS1301]

2 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

No they dont do it.........

 

 

Disgusting act, endangering lives of rider and possibly others had they been on the road.

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, ThreeEyedRaven said:

I have seen them do it with my own eyes more than once, so denying police do it doesn't work with me. There is a depth of stupidity beyond belief when they do it especially to those who aren't wearing a helmet. They know the dangers as people have died from exactly this before, so the cop should be charged with murder, pure and simple.

 

Why are ‘innocent’ motorcyclists trying to avoid the check-point in the first place??? Answer: They are not innocent, they are drunk, methed up, carrying drugs, unlicensed etc etc...  

 

Taking these guys off the road at these check points protects the rest of us. In theory anyway, the unfortunately reality is that many of the check-points are measures for opportunistic shake-downs, the drunk pays a nominal bribe fee and is on his way. 

 

In reality the whole system is broken.

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Disgusting act, endangering lives of rider and possibly others had they been on the road.

[devils advocate] That drunk or methed up rider (who was also carrying Meth XD) avoiding the check point may have been the guy who hits and injures you when he rides on the pavement you are walking down, or the guy selling meth to your friends son etc.... You’ll never know, but one thing is for sure, they should have stopped when told to do so. 

 

 

 

 

[ezzra]

Most of the time kicking and knocking someone of his bike at low speed dons;t cause much damage this time however the poor guy knocked his head against sign and other hard surfaces, so now guys pull out the cheque book and pay compensation and next time think before you kick someone else of his bike...

[Andrew65]

9 minutes ago, ThreeEyedRaven said:

I have seen them do it with my own eyes more than once, so denying police do it doesn't work with me. There is a depth of stupidity beyond belief when they do it especially to those who aren't wearing a helmet. They know the dangers as people have died from exactly this before, so the cop should be charged with murder, pure and simple.

Some months ago the police in London were knocking motorcyclists/thieves off their mounts in order to arrest them.

Whatever the rights & wrongs of it, I got the impression that the general public didn't have too much of a problem with it, after becoming sick & tired of lawlessness & crime in London.

[tlandtday]

6 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Why are ‘innocent’ motorcyclists trying to avoid the check-point in the first place??? Answer: They are not innocent, they are drunk, methed up, carrying drugs, unlicensed etc etc...  

 

Taking these guys off the road at these check points protects the rest of us. In theory anyway, the unfortunately reality is that many of the check-points are measures for opportunistic shake-downs, the drunk pays a nominal bribe fee and is on his way. 

 

In reality the whole system is broken.

 

 

 

 

Don't jumpt to conclusions it is entirely possible poor thais avoid the checkpoints because they may not have money for a helmet or they simply may not have a helmet and 500 baht is a lot of money to many of them.  How long have you lived here?

[JustAnotherHun]

What will happen in other countries if you try to flee a checkpoint?

In the  US, they'll shoot you I guess and in Germany they will send a brigade of social pedagogues after you.

[transam]

The UK police now uses force if need be to stop bikes...

[CharlieH]

1 minute ago, transam said:

The UK police now uses force if need be to stop bikes...

They do indeed....

 

 

[bluesofa]

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Why are ‘innocent’ motorcyclists trying to avoid the check-point in the first place??? Answer: They are not innocent, they are drunk, methed up, carrying drugs, unlicensed etc etc...  

 

Taking these guys off the road at these check points protects the rest of us. In theory anyway, the unfortunately reality is that many of the check-points are measures for opportunistic shake-downs, the drunk pays a nominal bribe fee and is on his way. 

 

In reality the whole system is broken.

Ten years ago in Udon I saw first-hand a policeman grabbing hold of a motorcycle passenger's arm and pulling them both down.

There was a daytime helmet checkpoint set up and neither of the two teenagers were wearing helmets. The driver skirted around the first cop who signalled them to stop. They sped off further along the road in the city centre, at which point the next cop pulled them down.

The motorcycle slid across the main road towards the oncoming traffic. Fortunately it stopped before it hit anything.

 

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, tlandtday said:

Don't jumpt to conclusions it is entirely possible poor thais avoid the checkpoints because they may not have money for a helmet or they simply may not have a helmet and 500 baht is a lot of money to many of them.  How long have you lived here?

Long enough to know this is one of the most ridiculous excuses I’ve read.

 

 

 

 

[Assurancetourix]

5 minutes ago, tlandtday said:

because they may not have money for a helmet

and tomorrow pigs fly ...

 

when you have enough money to buy gasoline and alcohol at papa & mama's you also have enough to buy a plastic bowl at the local merchant ...

[mauGR1]

8 minutes ago, JustAnotherHun said:

What will happen in other countries if you try to flee a checkpoint?

In the  US, they'll shoot you I guess and in Germany they will send a brigade of social pedagogues after you.

In Italy, if you manage to flee a checkpoint, we would have a crowd cheering and applauding

[richard_smith237]

Just now, Assurancetourix said:

7 minutes ago, tlandtday said:

because they may not have money for a helmet

and tomorrow pigs fly ...

 

when you have enough money to buy gasoline and alcohol at papa & mama's you also have enough to buy a plastic bowl at the local merchant ...

 

A few years ago when Purchasing a Yamaha scooter I was given a relatively decent helmet. 

The plastic Big-C lids are useless. IMO it should be the responsibility of the Motorcycle dealers to issue helmets with every new bike; that doesn’t solve the issue, but it helps. 

 

But the real point is [regarding helmets] effective policing is the only way to ensure all people wear helmets, stopping helmet less riders and having check-points is one facet of this policing, the BiB should be doing more, riding around and stopping everyone visibly flouting the traffic regulations.  

 

 

 

[Radar501]

Another police kickback.

[Assurancetourix]

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

But the real point is [regarding helmets] effective policing is the only way to ensure all people wear helmets, stopping helmet less riders and having check-points is one facet of this policing, the BiB should be doing more, riding around and stopping everyone visibly flouting the traffic regulations.  

 

What all the police in the western world do.
But Thailand is never inspired by the positive things done by the farang.
They are too proud

[Vacuum]

16 minutes ago, tlandtday said:

poor thais avoid the checkpoints because they may not have money for a helmet

In this case, they used their money to buy alcohol instead...

[smedly]

he made a choice - the wrong one

 

running from police is always going to endanger yourself but more importantly innocent people that could get caught up in it - it is up to the police to prevent that from happening 

[mercman24]

i like that, not have money for a helmet, but got enough for a scooter and a mobile phone, pull the other one, its beneath a thail males ego to wear a helmet, look around you

[Titan1962]

Sorry to the family for the loss of a loved one,but if he pulled up and just coped the fine he would still be alive.

So many scenarios in a situation like this,was he drunk,was he carrying drugs,was he unlicensed. The biggest issue I have here is,if he had killed and innocent person,would he have stopped or run like he did at the checkpoint. It was his choice in that situation to run and paid the price.

 

[Assurancetourix]

5 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

In Italy, if you manage to flee a checkpoint, we would have a crowd cheering and applauding

Italy has changed a lot since I lived and worked there in the 70s and 80s;
I have never seen a checkpoint there unless you call a police checkpoint at the motorways tolls ...
I worked there almost 14 years between France and this country when I was an international trucker and lived there full time 1 year in Fiorano Modenese