Thailand should go its own way

[Brunolem]

From the information available at this date, it appears that the coronavirus propagation is slowed down by sun (UVs) and heat.

 

This doesn't mean that the virus cannot spread in hot countries, as evidenced in Malaysia or Thailand, but that the conditions required for that are not the natural conditions generally encountered in these countries.

 

As a matter of fact, the main cluster of infections in both coutries appears to have its origin in an indoor boxing arena.

 

In other words, the infected people didn't catch the virus while enjoying a day at the beach, under the sun.

 

Thus, locking down Thai people in their homes could prove to be the opposite of what would be needed, that is encouraging them to stay outdoors as much as possible.

 

The decisions of closing restaurants, discos, theaters and shopping centers are appropriate because these places keep the people indoors, often in air conditioned.

 

But the decision of closing outdoors swimming pools, for example, may be counterproductive. (disclosure: I am by no means affected by this decision)

 

Thailand is not a European country, with a European climate, and thus should look for its own way out, while refraining to blindly follow in the steps of what has been done elsewhere.

[DrTuner]

They did do the right thing, close the malls. Now the BKK vampires might actually have to go out into the sun and get some of that UV. I hope they remembered to turn off the AC.

[Hank Gunn]

Has nothing to do with climate/temperature (i.e. Europe vs SE Asia/Thailand). It's the close,  physical contact of people and contact with common physical areas (e.g public transit systems, large shops, malls, etc.).

 

In other words, it's not air-conditioning or cooler temps that aids the spread of the virus, it's the physical contact between people that allows the virus to spread. In some cases, depending on the material, the virus can survive many hours and even multiple days.

[Guderian]

I've copied this from the briefing on the pandemic in the latest edition of The Economist magazine:

 

"Because cases of covid-19 have already appeared
in hot places such as Saudi Arabia
and Singapore—not to mention Australia,
where it is currently the end of summer—
some experts have dismissed the idea that
it may be at its worst in winter. But there remains
hope that the change in the seasons
may slow its spread. In early March Chinese
scientists circulated a preprint looking
at how air-temperature and humidity
influenced transmission in 100 Chinese
cities, and controlling for population density
and wealth, they concluded that transmission
became a little less likely when the
weather was hotter and more humid. Summer
and rainy seasons may not help a lot—
but they could help a bit."

[eeworldwide]

Is the OP a scientist or doctor?

[Brunolem]

32 minutes ago, Guderian said:

I've copied this from the briefing on the pandemic in the latest edition of The Economist magazine:

 

"Because cases of covid-19 have already appeared
in hot places such as Saudi Arabia
and Singapore—not to mention Australia,
where it is currently the end of summer—
some experts have dismissed the idea that
it may be at its worst in winter. But there remains
hope that the change in the seasons
may slow its spread. In early March Chinese
scientists circulated a preprint looking
at how air-temperature and humidity
influenced transmission in 100 Chinese
cities, and controlling for population density
and wealth, they concluded that transmission
became a little less likely when the
weather was hotter and more humid. Summer
and rainy seasons may not help a lot—
but they could help a bit."

It remains that, until now, no tropical country has experienced a level of contagion similar to what has been seen in Western Europe and the US...

 

[Isaan sailor]

No surprise here.  Much easier to catch a virus or the flu indoors, than outdoors, as long as you keep a save distance from others.  Just like PM 2.5 pollution--when the wind blows, it mixes the air and lowers the pollution.

Edited March 23, 2020 by Isaan sailor

[justin case]

many WHITE SKINNED people HATE the sun like a vampire

 

the sun gives us Vitamin D (immune) and UV (kills bacteria/virus)

 

Indoor AIRCO like malls, planes, bts are IDEAL to spread disease

 

Airco, seem as EUROPEAN heating system, DRY OUT the air and your MUCUS membranes.

 

You mucus membranes need to be humid to catch the virus and make you get a runny nose = try to get rid of virus load 

 

Dry mucus (airco or heating) = less chance to catch / envelope with MUCUS the virus/bacteria to try to get rid of it

 

People of hot countries remaining indoors all day (house, car, office, shopping mall, car, home) have more chance to get sick.

 

Maybe in 2-3 months some scientists will see it the same ????

 

Off course, they will not spend clinical trials and check if people walked in the sun or where almost VAMPIRES because of brainwashed television ads that you have to be WHITE because white is beautiful and black = poor & dumb  and

 

if they go out, brainwash TV tells you to put SUN SCREEN, the more the better, so you stay white .... it also blocks good sun rays on the skin that give you natural vitamin D...

 

[Nanaplaza666]

If all that these posters write would be slightly treu ,and the virus does not survive hot temperatures . Then specially using the sauna would kill the virus because the sauna is 50celcius and people will be breathing this hot air in their lungs where the virus is staying . But this is BS otherwise we already would have a cure wouldn't we ???? There is no proof whatsoever that high temperatures will slow down or kill the virus . That's the first thing they where talking about that 35celcius or higher would be good . This was before the spread in thailand and it's been hot like hell over here but it's still spreading . Try to look up the youtube video of jo rogan and the viroligist and the  get back to this topic before you talk about temperature . 

[Brunolem]

2 minutes ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

If all that these posters write would be slightly treu ,and the virus does not survive hot temperatures . Then specially using the sauna would kill the virus because the sauna is 50celcius and people will be breathing this hot air in their lungs where the virus is staying . But this is BS otherwise we already would have a cure wouldn't we ???? There is no proof whatsoever that high temperatures will slow down or kill the virus . That's the first thing they where talking about that 35celcius or higher would be good . This was before the spread in thailand and it's been hot like hell over here but it's still spreading . Try to look up the youtube video of jo rogan and the viroligist and the  get back to this topic before you talk about temperature . 

No UVs in a sauna...

[stouricks]

1 hour ago, justin case said:

 

the sun gives us Vitamin D (immune) and UV (kills bacteria/virus)

And can lead to skin cancer in later life....if you make it that far!

[Brunolem]

1 minute ago, stouricks said:

And can lead to skin cancer in later life....if you make it that far!

One can't have it all...

[Greyhat]

If UV light does in fact slow the virus, surely that means it would be effective in disinfecting surfaces in direct contact with UV rays. It wouldn't magically cure people who are infected so I'm not so sure about your playing outside part. We could just take vitamin D.

[Mulambana]

A hot weather helps in killing air borne viruses and viruses on the surfaces quickly and reduces the probability of getting infected. That's all. Nothing else.

[Greyhat]

Politifact have a couple of related articles:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/11/facebook-posts/sun-exposure-does-not-kill-coronavirus/

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/20/greg-murphy/no-sunlight-has-not-been-proven-kill-coronavirus/

Please read up before you go sunbathing, folks.

[Orton Rd]

3 minutes ago, Mulambana said:

A hot weather helps in killing air borne viruses and viruses on the surfaces quickly and reduces the probability of getting infected. That's all. Nothing else.

How come our body temps at around 37 degree don't kill it off if it's affected by the heat so much?

Edited March 23, 2020 by Orton Rd

[scubascuba3]

I think it's already spread extensively around Thailand, just increased testing now and more people having to go to hospital. I hope the govt and temples and the  very rich will help the people

[DFPhuket]

I'd say Thailand has two things going for it:

• In countries where greetings consist of a bow or a wai rather than with a handshake or hug/kiss, the virus would not be passed on as easily.
• Hot places likely help slow the spread. But in a place like Australia where it is quite hot, people tend to be inside and probably pass it on inside where it is cool. Being outdoors (in Thailand on a beach or rural location) where it is hot is surely a good thing.

[tomster]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-the-slow-spread-of-coronavirus-in-thailand-offers-hope-warmer-weather/

 

I'll just leave that there.

[Logosone]

33 minutes ago, Mulambana said:

A hot weather helps in killing air borne viruses and viruses on the surfaces quickly and reduces the probability of getting infected. That's all. Nothing else.

 

Or it could be that countries with hot weather are coincidentally among the ones with less facilities for testing and/or are doing  far less testing. Germany is doing over 160,000 tests a week. I was unable to find a figure for the number of tests done in Thailand, however, I know that the prices for Covid19 tests in Thailand are such that many Thais just can't afford it and don't get tested.

 

If that is so, it wouldn't mean that there are few cases, only few detected cases.

 

Then again, during the Spanish flu there was clear evidence that patients in fresh air and sunlight did recover quicker and if transmission is by droplets of saliva then in very hot weather such transmission is reduced for obvious reasons.

 

Hard to say, but the first option seems likelier.

[Brunolem]

32 minutes ago, Greyhat said:

Politifact have a couple of related articles:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/11/facebook-posts/sun-exposure-does-not-kill-coronavirus/

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/20/greg-murphy/no-sunlight-has-not-been-proven-kill-coronavirus/

Please read up before you go sunbathing, folks.

It's not about killing the virus, but slowing the contagion.

 

If you have caught the virus, no amount of heat or sun will change anything.

 

But it seems that, for someone not infected, spending the day on the beach is safer than spending it confined in an airconditioned building...

 

[Tony125]

41 minutes ago, Greyhat said:

If UV light does in fact slow the virus, surely that means it would be effective in disinfecting surfaces in direct contact with UV rays. It wouldn't magically cure people who are infected so I'm not so sure about your playing outside part. We could just take vitamin D.

 

https://nymag.com/strategist/article/does-uv-light-kill-germs-best-sterilizer.html

[Aspaltso]

Its all about not using the A/C and opening up your windows to let the fresh air blow through. Don't need to all pack at the beach, but keep social distancing and get a bit of sun.

[Tongjaw]

2 hours ago, justin case said:

many WHITE SKINNED people HATE the sun like a vampire

 

the sun gives us Vitamin D (immune) and UV (kills bacteria/virus)

 

Indoor AIRCO like malls, planes, bts are IDEAL to spread disease

 

Airco, seem as EUROPEAN heating system, DRY OUT the air and your MUCUS membranes.

 

You mucus membranes need to be humid to catch the virus and make you get a runny nose = try to get rid of virus load 

 

Dry mucus (airco or heating) = less chance to catch / envelope with MUCUS the virus/bacteria to try to get rid of it

 

People of hot countries remaining indoors all day (house, car, office, shopping mall, car, home) have more chance to get sick.

 

Maybe in 2-3 months some scientists will see it the same ????

 

Off course, they will not spend clinical trials and check if people walked in the sun or where almost VAMPIRES because of brainwashed television ads that you have to be WHITE because white is beautiful and black = poor & dumb  and

 

if they go out, brainwash TV tells you to put SUN SCREEN, the more the better, so you stay white .... it also blocks good sun rays on the skin that give you natural vitamin D...

 

What a load of codswallop. Sunscreen does not block out all vitamin D, your body gets enough just by walking around outside even wearing sunscreen. You do not have to sunbathe. As someone who has had skin cancers I would not sit out outside or walk around the golf course without sunscreen protection. 

[DrTuner]

1 hour ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

Then specially using the sauna would kill the virus because the sauna is 50celcius 

That's not a sauna, that's a turkish bath. I set mine at 82 DegC. But it won't heat up your airways that much or you'd be screaming in agony. 

[Chazar]

2 hours ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

If all that these posters write would be slightly treu ,and the virus does not survive hot temperatures . Then specially using the sauna would kill the virus because the sauna is 50celcius and people will be breathing this hot air in their lungs where the virus is staying . But this is BS otherwise we already would have a cure wouldn't we ???? There is no proof whatsoever that high temperatures will slow down or kill the virus . That's the first thing they where talking about that 35celcius or higher would be good . This was before the spread in thailand and it's been hot like hell over here but it's still spreading . Try to look up the youtube video of jo rogan and the viroligist and the  get back to this topic before you talk about temperature . 

the  fact  your body  temp  is  37c odd means  it  like  those  temps

[DrTuner]

1 hour ago, Tony125 said:

 

https://nymag.com/strategist/article/does-uv-light-kill-germs-best-sterilizer.html

You do not want to be there when they blast those germicidal UV-C lights. Prolonged exposure will cause skin problems and every germicidal light I've bought has come with a warning not to look into the light.

 

Sunlight has very little UV-C, which is the most efficient one, it gets filtered out in the upper atmosphere ( I suppose we could start releasing CFCs again to poke a hole in the ozone layer, remember that one? ). But it does have UV-B and UV-A, which are not as effective, but if you can leave whatever you are trying to disinfect in the blaring Thai sun for hours, better than nothing.

Edited March 23, 2020 by DrTuner

[natway09]

Why the Headline,  ?   They have & always will.

 They will end up being the worst hit country in SEA because of it,

Maybe the UK will follow as no one tells them what to do

 

[sanuk711]

5 hours ago, eeworldwide said:

Is the OP a scientist or doctor?

No..............but he is a Platinum Member from Issan......................

[Iron Tongue]

On 3/22/2020 at 3:49 AM, Brunolem said:

In other words, the infected people didn't catch the virus while enjoying a day at the beach, under the sun.

Who told you this?

Remember the news about all the college kids partying during Spring Break in Florida?  

Now they're returning to school and TESTING POSITIVE FOR COVID-19.