Could Coronavirus not be as bad as many are making out?

[tomster]

OK, so really bored and being doing some reading to find out what my chances of surviving the virus are.

 

And I find that on the one hand you have people declaring the World is going to end and millions will be infected, hundreds of thousands will die.

 

On the other side there are people saying it's being massively over-hyped for commercial gain.

 

Here are a few articles from the later camp, I'm not endorsing them or saying that they are right just some interesting reading material while things are quiet:
 

That one is in Czech, so here it is translated (quite well) by Google:

 

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.casopis-sifra.cz%2Fjak-se-dela-pandemie%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR2vqboVcOj-05e7TG-2IJ8QGxd18eKHhEWG3mD6xpXjjXSet55vmpvukLo

 

 

https://www.anti-empire.com/if-you-die-while-testing-positive-for-the-common-cold-coronavirus-did-you-die-of-the-cold-or-with-the-cold/

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51979654

 

https://www.unz.com/chopkins/covid-19-global-lockdown/

 

 

 

Then there is this:

 

https://www.euromomo.eu/

 

That keeps an eye on the overall death rates in Europe for public health workers to identify and act on trends, so far nothing out of the ordinary but if it really is a pandemic that requires shutting the world down you would think that it would register in the coming weeks.

 

Swineflu was also said to be deadly and would kill millions:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1284133/The-pandemic-Drug-firms-encouraged-world-health-body-exaggerate-swine-flu-threat.html

 

And finally I have attached a very good handbook on the virus from two professors at the Bulovka Teaching Hospital in Prague which references "viral loading". When viewed alongside the issue of Italian authorities reporting all deaths with people with coronavirus in their blood as a death caused by coronavirus when that is clearly going to inflate the numbers massively, it goes a way to explaining the strangely high mortality rate in Italy.

 

Posted this in Farang Pub as it's not to be taken too seriously, just get a bit of banter going in these worrying days. I'm following all the advice given by the Authorities here in Thailand and I urge others to do the same.

 

detailed-handbook-on-coronavirus-EN.pdf

[dabhand]

This BBC article an interesting take on the CV impact and the need for better intelligence, particularly on the financial and economic impact of decisions made.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51979654

[Chrysaora]

Take a cruise to Antarctica, I am told they have no virus there.

[NCC1701A]

https://bangkokjack.com/2020/03/23/american-scientist-coronovirus-fraud/

 

 

[Chrysaora]

1 minute ago, NCC1701A said:

https://bangkokjack.com/2020/03/23/american-scientist-coronovirus-fraud/

 

 

This guy isn't an idiot, but he is an idiot.  

It's all or nothing with these non-thinking morons.

Are the governments of the world taking advantage of the virus to steal control just like they did with 911?  Yes.

Is there a Virus killing people worldwide.  Yes.

 

So both can be true, but not to these people, it's one or the other.  How is it that intelligent people can be so stupid?

[Tagged]

Trump will save us all! Nobody understand the virus better than him! God bless Amrica

[NCC1701A]

 

[Nyezhov]

Wash your hands. Wash your phone. Dont go to mosh pits. Get plenty of sleep. Eat zinc. Move to a tropical climate. All will be well.

[sirineou]

1 hour ago, Chrysaora said:

This guy isn't an idiot, but he is an idiot.  

It's all or nothing with these non-thinking morons.

Are the governments of the world taking advantage of the virus to steal control just like they did with 911?  Yes.

Is there a Virus killing people worldwide.  Yes.

 

So both can be true, but not to these people, it's one or the other.  How is it that intelligent people can be so stupid?

I couldn't agree more.

I watched a very interesting talk "Why do we believe things that aren't true?' it is only 15 min and it changed my perspective. If you watch it please tell me what you think about it.  

 

[Dumbastheycome]

1 hour ago, Tagged said:

Trump will save us all! Nobody understand the virus better than him! God bless Amrica

I  do hope that is a  sarcastic  effort.

 

[Puchaiyank]

The virus is as bad as your wife unexpectedly opening the bedroom door with a kitchen knife in her hand while you are busy bonking the neighbor's cute teenaged daughter...

 

Some will survive...you likely may not!

[gk10002000]

Yes it could be not as bad as many are making it out to be.  The long term effects of the policies and restrictions and lock downs may do as much harm as the virus itself may have done.  Squashing global economies, businesses failing, education opportunities lost, future jobs lost, bills and interest on cars, utilities, rents, and whatever else people are borrowing to get, credit card debt mounting, family stress, etc. 

[gk10002000]

19 minutes ago, Puchaiyank said:

The virus is as bad as your wife unexpectedly opening the bedroom door with a kitchen knife in her hand while you are busy bonking the neighbor's cute teenaged daughter...

 

Some will survive...you likely may not!

Likely may not?  Hardly the case.  The statistics percentage-wise, as poorly calculated as they are, get better every day when they do the proper accounting.

[tomster]

6 hours ago, gk10002000 said:

Likely may not?  Hardly the case.  The statistics percentage-wise, as poorly calculated as they are, get better every day when they do the proper accounting.

Agreed, with every day that passes and the new numbers come out, it looks less and less like a problem outside of the usual viruses that you would expect to see at this time of the year. I have a feeling when we look back at the numbers in 11-12 months time we will see that this was not even as bad as the normal flu, total deaths viral pneumonia will not have risen and were were conned again by the big pharma led WHO.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/5351640/pneumonia-deadly-infection-flu-trigger/

 

Countries seem to get sucked into a counter productive vortex of lockdowns often demanded by it's terrified citizens, who all think they will die if they get it which is prompted by the bank owned press being allowed to publish utter rollox about death rates to wind them up.

 

I sat in a restaurant last night and had to listen to people talk about the number of cases in a certain upcountry province (5 cases) and then wondering if there would be ventilators for all 5 of them... Explained that they were being quarantined and were not in hospital because they required intubation but you could see eyes glazing over as I said it - all they wanted to hear that there was a problem, they needed there to be drama and potential death.

 

Very sad to see.

[Tagged]

In meantime, atm’s in villages getting empty. Our atm was refilled yesterday afternoon, now only 100 baht left, and maximum 3000,- outtake!

[spidermike007]

There is absolutely no doubt, that the reaction to this virus, in regard to the economy, the markets, and the lockdowns, is completely out of proportion to the risk. Especially in countries that have a minimal number of cases. Not saying we do not have to take precautions. But, there is alot of panic, and alot of over reaction to this on many levels. And the media is over hyping this up to be a near Spanish flu kind of thing. It does not matter how bad this thing gets. It is never going to be even a pale shadow of what the epidemic of 1918 was. Let us all be calm, level headed, and we will get through this. 

 

What is going to be bad, and difficult about all of this, is going to be the ramp up, after all of this is over. It is my opinion, that Thai tourism will never return to it's former levels. And many habits will change. Will the same number of Chinese return to Thailand as before? And what about non Chinese tourists to Thailand? Alot of people have been put off by the extreme level of inconsistency coming from this administration, and the continued racist ranting does not help either. Will the same number of people go to movie theaters, will the same number go to hugely overpriced Broadway shows, NBA games, and concerts, as before? How about restaurants? This is going to be a planetary reset. Who knows how this will shake out economically, for the world economy? How long will it take for the economy to rebound after this massive shutdown? I rarely agree with Trump, but I think he is right that that economic aspects of this, will be far worse than the virus. 

Edited March 24, 2020 by spidermike007

[Assurancetourix]

13 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Move to a tropical climate.

Thailand and the SE Asian countries are in this case;
however the Covid-19 will do considerable damage there by the indiscriminate impudence of their leaders.

[Assurancetourix]

8 hours ago, gk10002000 said:

Likely may not?  Hardly the case.  The statistics percentage-wise, as poorly calculated as they are, get better every day when they do the proper accounting.

Totally agree with you ;

The most recent data from Italy confirm that 99% of deceased people suffered from one to three chronic pathologies (hypertension, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, cancers, etc.) with an average age of victims of 79.5 years (median at 80.5) and very few losses below age 65.

 

I can put the link to you, but the text is in French; written by a Swiss anthropologist: Jean Dominique Michel

I make you note that Switzerland does not confine its inhabitants and makes a screening on a large scale as the already made South Korea which has already come out of this nightmare.

 

http://jdmichel.blog.tdg.ch/archive/2020/03/18/covid-19-fin-de-partie-305096.html#more

 

 

[Nyezhov]

13 minutes ago, Assurancetourix said:

Thailand and the SE Asian countries are in this case;
however the Covid-19 will do considerable damage there by the indiscriminate impudence of their leaders.

It was almost 39 in Kampong Thom yesterday. I barely survived.\ ????

[from the home of CC]

8 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

The virus is as bad as your wife unexpectedly opening the bedroom door with a kitchen knife in her hand while you are busy bonking the neighbor's cute teenaged daughter...

 

Some will survive...you likely may not!

personal experience?

[from the home of CC]

Michael Osterholm is an internationally recognized expert in infectious disease epidemiology. He is Regents Professor, McKnight Presidential Endowed Chair in Public Health, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP), Distinguished Teaching Professor in the Division of Environmental Health Sciences, School of Public Health, a professor in the Technological Leadership Institute, College of Science and Engineering, and an adjunct professor in the Medical School, all at the University of Minnesota. Look for his book "Deadliest Enemy: Our War Against Deadly Germs" for more info

 

 

 

 

[pookondee]

25 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

There is absolutely no doubt, that the reaction to this virus, in regard to the economy, the markets, and the lockdowns, is completely out of proportion to the risk. Especially in countries that have a minimal number of cases. Not saying we do not have to take precautions. But, there is alot of panic, and alot of over reaction to this on many levels. And the media is over hyping this up to be a near Spanish flu kind of thing. It does not matter how bad this thing gets. It is never going to be even a pale shadow of what the epidemic of 1918 was. Let us all be calm, level headed, and we will get through this. 

 

What is going to be bad, and difficult about all of this, is going to be the ramp up, after all of this is over. It is my opinion, that Thai tourism will never return to it's former levels. And many habits will change. Will the same number of Chinese return to Thailand as before? And what about non Chinese tourists to Thailand? Alot of people have been put off by the extreme level of inconsistency coming from this administration, and the continued racist ranting does not help either. Will the same number of people go to movie theaters, will the same number go to hugely overpriced Broadway shows, NBA games, and concerts, as before? How about restaurants? This is going to be a planetary reset. Who knows how this will shake out economically, for the world economy? How long will it take for the economy to rebound after this massive shutdown? I rarely agree with Trump, but I think he is right that that economic aspects of this, will be far worse than the virus. 

As far as the economies:

There has already been a huge income shift taking place, in the form of zero and minus interest rates.

This has been implemented worldwide so the banks can skim money off one group,

(retirees, investors...as they say...

"the old money")

In essence interest not being payed to savers to help fund more debt.

 

Bankers still adjust rates to make an easy profit, and at the same time use the extra leverage as an insurance policy if there happen to be massive loan defaults in future.

 

What will fxxx them up, is they didn't see this virus coming and couldn't plan (scam) for it in advance.

 

Now soon, with EVERYONE out of work, all over the world, the governments will be forced to bail out the PEOPLE instead of banks.

 

That means, governments will be forced to inject cash money DIRECT to the people, just to keep economies afloat..

instead of bailing out the banks.

 

And then when governments run short they will realise they have to start shaking down the 1%ers

 

This will actually wind out like a big game of Monopoly,

once there is a winner(s) declared,

everyone else is bankrupted..

then the winner has to forgive loans or give back money to the other players..

or else its GAME OVER!

 

fearful yet on the other hand, interesting times indeed.

 

 

 

[tomster]

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[EricTh]

Didn't Trump ordered all flights from China to be stopped in January? Way before Thailand....

 

But he forgot to bar all flights from Europe and other countries as well back then.

Edited March 24, 2020 by EricTh

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

18 hours ago, Tagged said:

Trump will save us all! Nobody understand the virus better than him! God bless Amrica

 

#TrumpLiesAmericansDie

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Quote

 

The WHO COVID-19 Situation Report for March 22 reported 292,142 confirmed COVID-19 cases and 12,784 deaths globally. This represents 82,303 new reported cases and 4,006 new deaths since the March 19 Situation Report.

...

The Johns Hopkins CSSE dashboard is reporting 35,345 US cases and 473 deaths as of 10:30am on March 23. This would put the United States at #3 worldwide in terms of national COVID-19 incidence, behind only China (81,496 cases) and Italy (59,138).

 

 

https://myemail.constantcontact.com/COVID-19-Updates---March-23.html?soid=1107826135286&aid=nSXi768j9Q8

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

8 minutes ago, EricTh said:

Didn't Trump ordered all flights from China to be stopped in January? Way before Thailand....

 

 

The original known virus carriers via travelers from China came to the U.S. in mid-January, before the federal government instituted travel restrictions for China in early February. The camel already had its nose under the tent before the feds acted, because Trump was too busy denying the whole thing.

 

[unsubscribe]

we're going to find out in a week when trump ends the isolation measures in the states.

[White Christmas13]

3 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

It was almost 39 in Kampong Thom yesterday. I barely survived.\ ????

If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 minutes ago, unsubscribe said:

we're going to find out in a week when trump ends the isolation measures in the states.

 

I don't think he can actually do that. AFAIK, all the isolation orders that have taken place in the U.S. thus far have been state or city/county based ones, not any mandatory things from the feds. The feds haven't acted on that point at all, other than general health guidance. 

 

So the president changing his mind again, AFAIK, wouldn't do anything to undo the various state orders in effect. But it certainly would send the wrong message to the American public.

 

 

Edited March 24, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK