Covid-19: Government to impose state of emergency

[metisdead]

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[ChomDo]

1 hour ago, darksidedog said:

Given what has happened around the world, I suppose it was only a matter of time before serious restrictions were imposed. The big question of course will be in the details, as to what and how often are you allowed out to purchase food and other essentials. At the end of the day, if it can see the back of the virus here, we have to go along with it.

Wouldn't want to have my visa expiring in the next thirty days though as immigration don't seem to be overly kindly with overstays, regardless of how they happen.

Wasn't it clearly stated today that anyone with a TR visa or exempt stamp gets a 30 day extension from the immigration even without a letter from the embassy? Here's the thread about it: 

 

[Andrew65]

19 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

My question is with 35000 infected and numbers said to be doubling every 3-4 days who will be buying,selling,manufacturing?

Even those no longer infected have to recover, if there is a job to return to.

How do businesses reopen if no customers or funds to purchase what ever service they are selling?

 

 

 

To keep it in perspective, that's 35000 infected out of 7.5 billion.

Also, many younger & fit people only suffer fairly mild symptoms if they get it.

How many hundreds of millions would we want destitute and massive businesses gone forever?

[anterian]

His mask is not over his nose.

 

[DrTuner]

I'm more worried about this state of emergency to be used as a hammer to get rid of political opponents, restrict freedom of speech, etc than to be used to battle the virus.

[DannyCarlton]

4 minutes ago, Metapod said:

Look at the actual data instead of just reading headlines and death stats and freaking out like a retard.

 

The median age of death in Italy from covid-19 is 81 years old, which 90% of the deaths being those over 70. I can understand if that scares you as most of you on here are old as <deleted>, but if you are an at-risk group, you absolutely should be isolating and quarantining.

 

You are missing a vital piece of data. What percentage of those that die are under 60?

[CraigInBangkok]

  34 minutes ago, CraigInBangkok said:

  41 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

The virus originated from a bat - it doesn't like the sunlight. 

you are now ...   chief major blah blah big wig of viral solutions!

5 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

The bat bit the pangolin (also nocturnal) and the rest is history. 

 

It's like the old cautionary song - "There was an old lady who swallowed a fly... I guess she'll die" 

I already gave you the promotion ...enough with these facts ... now wheres my brown envelope?

[BobbyL]

Not surprised. This was inevitable. It will be very interesting to see if people fully follow it. 

[Metapod]

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

You are missing a vital piece of data. What percentage of those that die are under 60?

You obviously didn't read the link I sent you. I have done the research on it. You haven't.

 

Here.

 

The two Italians deceased under 40 years of age (both 39 years old) were a cancer patient and a diabetes patient with additional complications. In these cases, too, the exact cause of death was not yet clear (i.e. if from the virus or from their pre-existing diseases).

 

also this part

 

Less than 1% of the deceased were healthy persons, i.e. persons without pre-existing chronic diseases. Only about 30% of the deceased are women.

 

and

 

80% of the deceased had suffered from two or more chronic diseases. 50% of the deceased had suffered from three or more chronic diseases. The chronic diseases include in particular cardiovascular problems, diabetes, respiratory problems and cancer.

 

 

[Zikomat]

7 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Return to your own country and re plan your migration for when this is all over.

Have you returned to your country already?

[DannyCarlton]

Just now, Metapod said:

You obviously didn't read the link I sent you. I have done the research on it. You haven't.

 

Here.

 

The two Italians deceased under 40 years of age (both 39 years old) were a cancer patient and a diabetes patient with additional complications. In these cases, too, the exact cause of death was not yet clear (i.e. if from the virus or from their pre-existing diseases).

 

also this part

 

Less than 1% of the deceased were healthy persons, i.e. persons without pre-existing chronic diseases. Only about 30% of the deceased are women.

 

and

 

80% of the deceased had suffered from two or more chronic diseases. 50% of the deceased had suffered from three or more chronic diseases. The chronic diseases include in particular cardiovascular problems, diabetes, respiratory problems and cancer.

 

 

The 2 doctors that died in Wuhan were both in their 30's with no pre existing conditions.

[tlandtday]

4 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

I'm more worried about this state of emergency to be used as a hammer to get rid of political opponents, restrict freedom of speech, etc than to be used to battle the virus.

In the words of Obama's former right hand man Rahm Emmanuel "never waste a good crisis"

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, Zikomat said:

Have you returned to your country already?

No, I have a family here and have lived here for several years. I'm here on a retirement visa, not a tourist visa.

[FarFlungFalang]

23 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

If they chose to use an emergency decree, where they will not be able to issue visas. Then I assume they will not charge any overstay fine. If you get denied for not having the papers asked for, then it´s up to you to provide them. Embassies are cooperating with that right now. If they close down their service, we will have to assume immigration will understand that.

I just received my letter from the Embassy and will head in tomorrow to see if it will be accepted.

[Peterw42]

11 minutes ago, Andrew65 said:

To keep it in perspective, that's 35000 infected out of 7.5 billion.

Also, many younger & fit people only suffer fairly mild symptoms if they get it.

How many hundreds of millions would we want destitute and massive businesses gone forever?

35,000 is the US numbers, not the world numbers. The world numbers is getting up near 400,000 and doubling each week.

[cornishcarlos]

50 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

No, it´s not. This is something that a government can impose in almost every country in the world. Totally different. You should be happy that they try to do something instead.

 

Yeah right... They didn't fix the election quite well enough and had to disband opposition. Now a chance for them to "legitimately" regain ultimate control.. 

We shall see ????

[Zikomat]

1 minute ago, DannyCarlton said:

No, I have a family here and have lived here for several years. I'm here on a retirement visa, not a tourist visa.

Still this is not your country. You are not a citizen. So I advise you to return to your country which has advised you to return according to your own words. Go back home until all this situation is cleared up. Everybody have their own personal circumstances and yours are not more important for me than mine. Vice versa is also true.

[JCP108]

15 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Return to your own country and re plan your migration for when this is all over.

Easier said than done quickly. Also, not sure that's the best choice for me. Exploring all options. 

[Canuck1966]

10 minutes ago, Metapod said:

You obviously didn't read the link I sent you. I have done the research on it. You haven't.

 

Here.

 

The two Italians deceased under 40 years of age (both 39 years old) were a cancer patient and a diabetes patient with additional complications. In these cases, too, the exact cause of death was not yet clear (i.e. if from the virus or from their pre-existing diseases).

 

also this part

 

Less than 1% of the deceased were healthy persons, i.e. persons without pre-existing chronic diseases. Only about 30% of the deceased are women.

 

and

 

80% of the deceased had suffered from two or more chronic diseases. 50% of the deceased had suffered from three or more chronic diseases. The chronic diseases include in particular cardiovascular problems, diabetes, respiratory problems and cancer.

 

 

No govt dares go the herd immunity route.

It will work but the casualties will be immense and it's political suicide

[DannyCarlton]

12 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

it'll all the similar strains, statistics have proven why Italy was hit so hard

Just been listening to a doctor in Milan who was asked why the outbreak was so severe there.

 

1. Large number of Chinese visitors to Northern Italy.

 

2. One of the most aged demographics in the world.

 

3. Government tardiness in reacting.

 

No mention of some Italian superstrain. Urban myth based on zero facts.

 

 

[Matzzon]

3 minutes ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

Yeah right... They didn't fix the election quite well enough and had to disband opposition. Now a chance for them to "legitimately" regain ultimate control.. 

We shall see ????

Sure, we have to wait and see. Nobody, can be sure of anything. However, as you seem to complain. Do you rather see them doing nothing for trying to contain the spread of the virus? Or maybe you have some better ideas how to work through this?

[Matzzon]

11 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

I just received my letter from the Embassy and will head in tomorrow to see if it will be accepted.

Please tell us how it turns out. 

[DannyCarlton]

6 minutes ago, Zikomat said:

Still this is not your country. You are not a citizen. So I advise you to return to your country which has advised you to return according to your own words. Go back home until all this situation is cleared up. Everybody have their own personal circumstances and yours are not more important for me than mine. Vice versa is also true.

Big difference. You are here on a tourist visa, I'm here on a retirement visa.

[vermin on arrival]

30 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

I think it's more likely those applying for extensions playing games.

 

Extensions are for tourist visas. Why would you want to come for a holiday in Thailand at this time? If you are a tourist you should be returning to your home country asap.

 

Still possible to obtain flights to all major countries.

No playing games at all. I have roof over my head in Thailand and Taiwan and split most of my time these places or in Laos. Got blocked going back to Taiwan because my life is more itinerant and no ARC. In US, my parents, whom I would stay with, are elderly and infirm and in total seclusion in fear for their lives. My brother's house is in quarantine. Also, going back to USA which is gonna have the worst epidemic in the world would be moronic. Seems most countries, such as PI Korea and Taiwan are making it easier for people to extend and stay legally with automatic extensions or for overstayers to come forward and stay. Why can't Thailand show some compassion and let people weather the storm here.

[JCP108]

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Just been listening to a doctor in Milan who was asked why the outbreak was so severe there.

 

1. Large number of Chinese visitors to Northern Italy.

 

2. One of the most aged demographics in the world.

 

3. Government tardiness in reacting.

 

No mention of some Italian superstrain. Urban myth based on zero facts.

 

 

So, we'll be in better shape here due to so few Chinese visitors to Thailand and a government which has been quick to react!

[Matzzon]

56 minutes ago, smedly said:

Have you asked Immigration these questions or are you making it up as you go

As usual you do not know what you read. Do you understand the word assume? I used it 2 times in my post. I assume you have your answer there. What do you assume? (More than making a useless post bases upon poor understanding.)

[DannyCarlton]

2 minutes ago, vermin on arrival said:

No playing games at all. I have roof over my head in Thailand and Taiwan and split most of my time these places or in Laos. Got blocked going back to Taiwan because my life is more itinerant and no ARC. In US, my parents, whom I would stay with, are elderly and infirm and in total seclusion in fear for their lives. My brother's house is in quarantine. Also, going back to USA which is gonna have the worst epidemic in the world would be moronic. Seems most countries, such as PI Korea and Taiwan are making it easier for people to extend and stay legally with automatic extensions or for overstayers to come forward and stay. Why can't Thailand show some compassion and let people weather the storm here.

Because you are here on a tourist visa. You're gaming the system.

[kimamey]

1 hour ago, madmitch said:

Why introduce a state of emergency but fail to provide any details of what it entails?

 

Probably Wissanu going through the lawbooks to see if Article 44 can be reinstated!

I don't know how it works here but normally the difficult part is declaring the emergency, particularly in a democracy. Once you've done that you can quickly take the measures that you'll feel necessary at the time. 

 

I don't know if these are the same emergency measures that were used during the red shirt protests. They were existing ones put  in place by Thaksin but they may have changed since then. 

The way its being done is petty normal. The issue is are they used responsibly. 

[vermin on arrival]

29 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Which country are you from? Every country I'm aware of is advising their citizens to return home asap.

Lol...actually US says both. Don't travel on website and come home on e-mail, but home is not home for me.

[Orton Rd]

3 minutes ago, JCP108 said:

So, we'll be in better shape here due to so few Chinese visitors to Thailand and a government which has been quick to react!

Quick to react would have been stopping flights from China 6 weeks ago