FOR YOUR SAFETY: Key statistics, advice from doctors on Covid-19

[Yadon Toploy]

1 minute ago, PaDavid said:

Following the comparisons being made with Singapore I did some research. Singapore has a population of 5.8 million, Thailand 80 million, so about 13 times greater. Yesterday Singapore had 35 new cases, Thailand 127. Singapore has reported 3 deaths, Thailand 7. Based on these statistics, it would appear that proportionally it’s safer in Thailand

Singapore are testing a lot more people.

[cornishcarlos]

10 minutes ago, PaDavid said:

Following the comparisons being made with Singapore I did some research. Singapore has a population of 5.8 million, Thailand 80 million, so about 13 times greater. Yesterday Singapore had 35 new cases, Thailand 127. Singapore has reported 3 deaths, Thailand 7. Based on these statistics, it would appear that proportionally it’s safer in Thailand

 

Singapores numbers are a bit more realistic though ....

 

Plus they do serious contact tracing on all new cases and then isolate anyone in contact.

Also they inform the public about all new cases, as in location, profession, links to other cases etc

Therefore, I 100% disagree that Thailand is safer... No alcohol bans here in Singapore yet too, winning....

Edited March 31, 2020 by cornishcarlos

[OnTheRun]

22 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Everyone wears a mask when outside i.e. in the community. Wash hands often, best with soap for 20 sec, employ social distancing, try not to touch your nose (inside), your mouth and your eyes. A mask will help- remind you not to do this. 4 things that will help stop the spread and flatten the curve. I actually have safety glasses as this virus can be spread with droplets to the eyes although this is said to be less common. If everyone wears masks this would not be necessary. Bt60 insurance against someone with no mask and infected sneezing or coughing in my direction. Very small odds I know but Bt60 and Thais thinking I'm crazy, don't care. They thought I was crazy several wks back when I started wearing a mask.

No mention of atm possibly the most dangerous. I use the corner of another card to push the buttons or use the touch screen.

 

ATM's, a very valid point. I've been trying to avoid them where possible however part of my bi weekly shop is at Makro who insist on cash only. I will take your tip re using the corner of another card and sanitize with alcohol hand wash.  Thank you.

 

 

[ThailandRyan]

4 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Where does he come up with 4-14% motality figure?

 

He probably has the true stats...

[britanicus]

Does this come under fake news that they are always warning about? having looked at figures from many sources these seem to be at odds with most of the others I have seen.

[HHTel]

5 hours ago, Chazar said:

Wear a mask if you have respiratory symptoms such as a cough or runny nose;

At least Singapore has a voice of reason!

[Nanaplaza666]

Damn dominated by Chazar , maybe he should have written and directed the whole story and if there's ever a movie to be made about this topic , play the leading role as well and stuntman and passer by and cameraman and lighting decor .

[Elkski]

This article sounded ok until the stats a lot holding  hands, sitting  next to each other. Etc.  There hasnt been any tests to get this data.   Total BS.  

[sloperating]

4 hours ago, Chazar said:

and non patients?

Good question. WHO video says people with no respiratory symptoms (fever, cough, or runy nose) have no need for a mask; indeed, it says they can give a false feeling of protection and can be a source of infection if not used correctly.

 

Perhaps, if masks were being used by only those who need them they would be more widely available.

 

See video here: https://youtu.be/M4olt47pr_o

[frequentatore]

5 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Where does he come up with 4-14% motality figure?

 

He reads ThaiVisa.

[kohlenkutscher]

The following is from Irene Ken,

a physician whose daughter is an Asst. Prof in infectious diseases at Johns Hopkins University.

* The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes the genetic code of the cells (mutation) and converts them into aggressor and multiplier cells.

* Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.

* The virus is very fragile; The only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy because the foam CUTS the FAT (which is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam when washing your hands). By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.

* HEAT melts fat; This is why it is so good to use water above 25 degrees Celsius for washing hands, clothes and everything. Additionally, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful.

* Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.

* Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside.

* Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.

* NO BACTERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC SERVES TO KILL THE VIRUS! Viruses are not a living organisms like bacteria; Antibodies cannot kill what is not alive.

* NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While glued to a porous surface, a virus is very inert and disintegrates at different rates depending on the surface:

-between 3 hours (fabric and porous),

-4 hours (copper and wood)

-24 hours (cardboard),

- 42 hours (metal) and

-72 hours (plastic).

But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.

* The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars.

* Viruses also need moisture and especially darkness to stay stable;Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade them faster.

* UV LIGHT on any object that may contain a virus breaks down the virus’ protein, thereby disinfecting the surface. Be careful, as it also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin.

* The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.

* Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.

* NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve as disinfectants against viruses. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%.

* LISTERINE can work as It is 65% alcohol.

* The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.

* You have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc. And, of course, when using the bathroom.

* You have to moisturize dry hands from so much washing, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks. The thicker the moisturizer, the better.

* Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.

-JOHNS HOPKINS HOSPITAL

 

[rabas]

12 minutes ago, Elkski said:

This article sounded ok until the stats a lot holding  hands, sitting  next to each other. Etc.  There hasnt been any tests to get this data.   Total BS.  

Long page, but scroll through here and look at the many studies done for 10 second contact time and virus spreading.

 

https://www.ajicjournal.org/article/S0196-6553(07)00595-0/fulltext

 

 

[Khun Paul]

Well advice is free, good advice RARE, here in Rural Issan you might as well say, the Sky is Pinkl, they pay as much attention to Covid19 rules and probable infection from non-social distancing as they do about no more than  TWO on a motorbike .

IF the Virus hits Issan, thousands will be infected and possibly hundreds may die  , but then som nam na springs to mind 

 

[rabas]

1 hour ago, manhood said:

There is nothing what you could call evedence of what this doctor is talking about. Another article that should go straight to the bin. I only follow reliable countries organisations and pandemics specialists!

Except every point is well backed up by scientific studies, if you care to look for it.

[Brunolem]

What is "nasal discharge"?

 

Does he mean sneezing?

[Ian C HH]

Chazar. should we be concerned that only Singapore has the correct stats and advice? 
I don’t see anything in the report from this doctor which would further endanger thais or foreigners in Thailand. It advocates the use of masks, social distancing, hand cleaning and many other things that Singapore also promotes. 
it is ADVICE and not INSTRUCTION ( although having lived in Singapore for many years I am aware how singaporeans sometimes prefer dictatorial instruction over freedom of choice. 
min my opinion we should take this article at face value,act on it as we see fit but never rubbish free advice. We are not ALL expert virologists ( or ARE we?) sometimes I wonder if I’m the ONLY dimwit in this world who doesn’t know EVERYTHING there is to know about covid 19. If I am then I apologize profusely. 

[rabas]

12 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

What is "nasal discharge"?

 

Does he mean sneezing?

Runny nose. He is quoting recent symptom statistics that said only 4% of all cases have a runny nose, and 0% of all cases have sneezing! 

 

If you sneeze, you are ok!

[RJRS1301]

4 hours ago, Chazar said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/margiewarrell/2020/03/30/singapore-sets-gold-standard-against-covid-19-be-ready-be-decisive-be-bold/#3873865a7a22

 

4 hours ago, Chazar said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/margiewarrell/2020/03/30/singapore-sets-gold-standard-against-covid-19-be-ready-be-decisive-be-bold/#3873865a7a22

Great monitoring, could be problematic in Thailand as so many have no internet connections in many rural places. I guess the Singapore Gov supplies food to the door, which in a small island state, with good infrastructure and a well disciplined population is easier.

 

[RJRS1301]

54 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

He probably has the true stats...

It id the 4-14% range which concerns me.

Usually less than 10% difference is acceptable. Dealing with mortality with a 10% variable seems like hedging bets 

 

[rabas]

2 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

 

Great monitoring, could be problematic in Thailand as so many have no internet connections in many rural places. I guess the Singapore Gov supplies food to the door, which in a small island state, with good infrastructure and a well disciplined population is easier.

Everyone in rural Thailand has Facebook and is probably informed faster than we are. Though what they are informed of may differ. Certainly they will know the next winning lottery number based on COVID-19 death rates.

[RJRS1301]

Just now, rabas said:

Everyone

?? doubt that 

[FarFlungFalang]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

A mask will help- remind you not to do this.

When I wear a mask it itches and irritates and requires adjustments (fogs up the specs) so I end up touching my face about 10 times more than I would normally.

[Krataiboy]

5 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Where does he come up with 4-14% motality figure?

 

Same dubious source as the one which worked out the odds of getting infected by holding hands. You really couldn't make this stuff up.

[hotchilli]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

FOR YOUR SAFETY: Key statistics, advice from doctors on Covid-19

Land of experts... shame they didn't make it into government!

[digger70]

6 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

Where does he come up with 4-14% motality figure?

 

Prince Songkla University    ????

[FarFlungFalang]

15 minutes ago, rabas said:

Runny nose. He is quoting recent symptom statistics that said only 4% of all cases have a runny nose, and 0% of all cases have sneezing! 

 

If you sneeze, you are ok!

Is there a cure in that info?If I get covid19 then snort some pepper and sneeze out the virus I'll be ok?I've also heard that sucking up the hot air from a hair dryer for five minutes along with occasional squirts of water is also a cure.This is based on the virus not being able to survive temps higher than 56 degrees centigrade.There's even a video of it on youtube.

[mike787]

* NO BACTERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; antibodies cannot kill what is not alive.

* NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only:
- between 3 hours (fabric and porous),
- 4 hours (copper and wood)
- 24 hours (cardboard),
- 42 hours (metal) and
- 72 hours (plastic).

But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.

* The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars. They also need moisture to stay stable, and especially darkness. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.

* UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask is perfect. Be careful, it also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin.

* The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.
* Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.
* NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%.
* LISTERINE IF IT SERVES! It is 65% alcohol.
* The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.

* You have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc. And when using the bathroom.

* You have to HUMIDIFY HANDS DRY from so much washing them, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks. The thicker the moisturizer, the better.

* Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.

-JOHNS HOPKINS HOSPITAL

[kuzmabruk]

why not listen to a frontline specialist at one of the best hospitals in the world and the best hospital in New York.  For a change listen to highly Educated people who give knowledgeable advice.   THIS IS IMPORTANT 
 

there is a video link at the bottom of this post. 
 

The first 20 minutes of this video are really important to watch and understand how to protect yourself from Covid19 but the whole video is worth your time.

 

The speaker in this one hour video is Dr. David Price (who is a Fellow in Medicine) of Weill Cornell Medicine in New York.

 

Weill Cornell Medicine is one of the largest and most comprehensive academic medical centers in the nation — is ranked New York's No. 1 hospital for the 17th consecutive year, and No. 8 in the United States, according to the U.S. News and World Report.

 

fellow is a physician who has completed their residency and elects to complete further training in a specialty. The chooses to pursue additional training, the fellowship is optional and is not required to practice medicine, but is necessary for training in a subspecialty.

 

This guy is worth listening to.

 

https://vimeo.com/399733860

 

 

[rvaviator]

1 hour ago, PaDavid said:

Following the comparisons being made with Singapore I did some research. Singapore has a population of 5.8 million, Thailand 80 million, so about 13 times greater. Yesterday Singapore had 35 new cases, Thailand 127. Singapore has reported 3 deaths, Thailand 7. Based on these statistics, it would appear that proportionally it’s safer in Thailand

You should also compare the size ... Very very easy to control people in Singapore. One thing they do like in Singapore is total control and organization, and working hard ... When they want to relax and have some fun .. then go to Malaysia and Thailand ... ???? .....  As one Singaporean said to me .... Singapore is just for working and making money ..  ???? ....  

[dinsdale]

32 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

When I wear a mask it itches and irritates and requires adjustments (fogs up the specs) so I end up touching my face about 10 times more than I would normally.

Touching your face is ok. Picking your teeth, picking your nose or rubbing your eyes isn't.