All Closed - Except Immigration.

[Old Croc]

Have just learned all the Island's Amphoes and also the Land Department are closed for the month.

Those of us requiring marriage documents for Immigration can go jump. I've made 3 trips to government offices in recent days for no result. They either closed yesterday, didn't consider my need important enough or were getting ready to shut down altogether. I know I should have taken care of these matters weeks ago, but never thought they would be closing down government!

Immigration, of course, will continue to require reports, forms, fees and documents such as marriage certificates, Embassy letters and Doctors certificates. If not obtained the storm troopers in their black uniforms and fast smart car will swoop and levy overstay fines or toss clients in the hole! The story board creators and group photographers are salivating in anticipation of being among the few with plenty of work ahead of them.

I've fed up with the sheer incompetence and lack of any common sense shown by many here.  I'd seriously consider getting out of the place if I hadn't already been imprisoned!

 

 

 

Edited April 1, 2020 by Old Croc

[Somtamnication]

Of course. Immigration is a cash cow.

 

[schlog]

Feel sorry for you Old Croc but would not call it incompetence this special "corona phuket way".

It sure has a reason. Who will profit most and who is loosing every day more from his power by this phuket shut down? I guess have to think back to 2014 to find answers....

[beechbum]

Didnt you get a marriage cert with the stamp and numbers on it when you married?

[pagallim]

1 hour ago, beechbum said:

Didnt you get a marriage cert with the stamp and numbers on it when you married?

For a Marriage extension, Immigration also require a Kor Ror 2 certificate (which essentially proves that you are still married i.e. not divorced).    Normally obtained from the Amphur for a very small fee.   I did write on a topic here a week or so ago that when my wife went to get one, she was told by the staff she was lucky to get one then as within a few days the Amphur would only be open for birth and death certificates.   That is exactly what happened.

[WineOh]

You can bet your backside even if nuclear war broke out that the immi offices would still be open as usual.

 

Not even the black death could close those fortresses!

[bearpolar]

2 hours ago, Liverpoolfan said:

You can bet your backside even if nuclear war broke out that the immi offices would still be open as usual.

 

Not even the black death could close those fortresses!

People are very wrong when they say you can't escape death and taxes

 

you can easily escape taxes. It's death and thai immigration.

[Old Croc]

8 hours ago, beechbum said:

Didnt you get a marriage cert with the stamp and numbers on it when you married?

I'm trying to get married.

The required official documents, and translations, took longer than expected and I missed the close down by a day.

As an O-A leper I need to change from retirement to marriage extension. Age and medical difficulties preclude me from even dodgy insurance, and similar reasons prevented travel to change to O.  Money is not a problem, I comfortably self insure.

Yes, I should have done it earlier, however, there were other extenuating circumstances that slowed this, and I didn't anticipate a government shutdown. 

[Old Croc]

4 hours ago, Psimbo said:

How very inconsiderate of them not to cater to you when they clearly have far more important things on their hands at present. its almost as if there was a world-wide pandemic. The horror of it all.

 

...... or maybe they are just dealing with hundreds of foreign tourists who didn't have the sense to bug out when they should or not travel here in the first place. With the recent announcement about extensions to june maybe they will end up closed as well but lets just beatch about them instead, eh?

 

You and I have had words in the past, but have kept a truce for some time.

I'm happy to again start calling you out for what you are. You certainly make it easy with your pathetic rubbish.

[DaRoadrunner]

5 hours ago, Liverpoolfan said:

You can bet your backside even if nuclear war broke out that the immi offices would still be open as usual.

 

Not even the black death could close those fortresses!

It is only a matter of time till some IOs get the virus. Then we will see how long Immigration stays open. Of course being exposed to a room full of filthy Farangs will ensure we get the blame.

[nobodysfriend]

IO' are not immune to the virus and exposed to a lot of people on a daily basis ... some will certainly get Covid .

I would like to see the Immigration offices closed indefinitely , but what will they come up with than ? Surely they will try to create as many problems as possible for farangs . Wait and see ...

[FarFlungFalang]

17 hours ago, Somtamnication said:

Of course. Immigration is a cash cow.

 

It's about the only source of income the country has at the moment.

[Bob12345]

12 hours ago, Psimbo said:

How very inconsiderate of them not to cater to you when they clearly have far more important things on their hands at present. its almost as if there was a world-wide pandemic. The horror of it all.

 

...... or maybe they are just dealing with hundreds of foreign tourists who didn't have the sense to bug out when they should or not travel here in the first place. With the recent announcement about extensions to june maybe they will end up closed as well but lets just beatch about them instead, eh?

 

Wow, Captain Hindsight, can you also tell me which lottery numbers I should have bought last month so I would be rich now? That would be really helpful. 

[stevenl]

38 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

IO' are not immune to the virus and exposed to a lot of people on a daily basis ... some will certainly get Covid .

I would like to see the Immigration offices closed indefinitely , but what will they come up with than ? Surely they will try to create as many problems as possible for farangs . Wait and see ...

More non farang than farang foreigners there.

[kingstonkid]

Let's face it there has never been anything like this.  I think a war would be easier to deal with.

 

When Thai businesses were shut down we had to know that government would not be far behind. Are people going to be inconvenienced during this time YES.  The only ting that we can do is try to keep calm and do the best we can.

 

I understand the concerns I am caught in the catch 22  the only thing that we can do is the best we can.

 

Remember the borders are closed so not one can be kicked out. LOL

 

My sober suggestion is contact immigration and have your wife (not you) explain the situation and see what can be done.

 

Immigration are getting their orders but unfortunately while some FARANG think we are the first people tht should be thought of there are more important things to think about than a person inconvenienced by a closure.

 

Would you rather they keep it open and you go to the amphoe and get the virus?

 

Then you would be complaining that they should have been closed

 

 

[Fairynuff]

33 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

while some FARANG think we are the first people tht should be thought of there are more important things to think about than a person inconvenienced by a closure.

We don’t feel this way, that’s just a stupid comment. Sensible would be a complete amnesty on all visa issues until the situation improves. Do you understand the concept of sensible?

[timewilltell]

I hate the immigration rules with a passion but taking it out on the local immigration staff is just blinkered.

 

Yes some if them can be difficult but none of then want to be there. People need to direct their contempt and disgust at the people who make the rules rather than the poor blighters having to impose them and probably recognising the idiocy of a lot of the rules.

 

Thais are not great thinkers except to take advantage and the people at the top are there because of corruption more than brains. Direct your ire there better.

[BritManToo]

14 minutes ago, timewilltell said:

I hate the immigration rules with a passion but taking it out on the local immigration staff is just blinkered.

 

Yes some if them can be difficult but none of then want to be there. People need to direct their contempt and disgust at the people who make the rules rather than the poor blighters having to impose them and probably recognising the idiocy of a lot of the rules.

 

Thais are not great thinkers except to take advantage and the people at the top are there because of corruption more than brains. Direct your ire there better.

The people who make the rules are the people across the desk from you.

Nobody is forcing them to make up their own rules or pick at the application forms.

 

The sooner these corrupt crooks all catch the disease, the better for us IMHO.

They not only want to risk my life, but the lives of my children as well.

Edited April 2, 2020 by BritManToo

[beechbum]

10 hours ago, Old Croc said:

I'm trying to get married.

The required official documents, and translations, took longer than expected and I missed the close down by a day.

As an O-A leper I need to change from retirement to marriage extension. Age and medical difficulties preclude me from even dodgy insurance, and similar reasons prevented travel to change to O.  Money is not a problem, I comfortably self insure.

Yes, I should have done it earlier, however, there were other extenuating circumstances that slowed this, and I didn't anticipate a government shutdown. 

Got it, it's changed alot, for us it was passport only.

Anyway, good luck and hope you get it sorted.

Edited April 2, 2020 by beechbum

[Tropposurfer]

10 hours ago, Old Croc said:

You and I have had words in the past, but have kept a truce for some time.

I'm happy to again start calling you out for what you are. You certainly make it easy with your pathetic rubbish.

Might I suggest you both take your resentments and subsequent person war elsewhere NOT on TV????

[Youlike]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

The people who make the rules are the people across the desk from you.

Nobody is forcing them to make up their own rules or pick at the application forms.

 

The sooner these corrupt crooks all catch the disease, the better for us IMHO.

They not only want to risk my life, but the lives of my children as well.

Do they also make the rule that we have to dress properly with long sleeves while they can wear sportswear and slippers themselves?

[Enoon]

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

More non farang than farang foreigners there.

 

My visit to IO last week Caucasian customers outnumbered at least 3 to 1 by S E Asian ones.

 

 

Edited April 2, 2020 by Enoon

[Old Croc]

1 hour ago, Tropposurfer said:

Might I suggest you both take your resentments and subsequent person war elsewhere NOT on TV????

Thanks for the advice. You must be kept very busy on this forum keeping up with the demand for your suggestions.

[Old Croc]

11 hours ago, DaRoadrunner said:

It is only a matter of time till some IOs get the virus. Then we will see how long Immigration stays open. Of course being exposed to a room full of filthy Farangs will ensure we get the blame.

I was at the Land department on Monday with a separate matter. They refused to process my papers because they considered it unimportant. (I suspect my status as a foreigner had something to do with it) We were told to come back in a month.

While I was waiting there, they announced they were closing the next day. Apparently one of their counter staff was suspected to have the virus.

Their front door temperature taking, spray and wipe station seemed to be more busy with their staff rather than the few customers allowed in.

[Max69xl]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

The people who make the rules are the people across the desk from you.

Nobody is forcing them to make up their own rules or pick at the application forms.

 

The sooner these corrupt crooks all catch the disease, the better for us IMHO.

They not only want to risk my life, but the lives of my children as well.

"The people who make the rules are the people across the desk from you."

Really? I don't think they are the highest ranking officers in any Immigration office in Thailand. They have a boss and he's got a boss,too.

[Fairynuff]

21 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

"The people who make the rules are the people across the desk from you."

Really? I don't think they are the highest ranking officers in any Immigration office in Thailand. They have a boss and he's got a boss,too.

Yes really. There’s this thing they have, it’s called DISCRETION, look it up. I could give you half a dozen examples of interactions I’ve had with IOs where they’ve used their discretion to show who’s the boss. I’m surprised with your wealth of knowledge you didn’t already know.

[OneeyedJohn]

Immigration rules are very fluid, they change as often as you and I change our underwear.

Last year after the change with letters of income not being issued, I thought I would ask the guy in immigration who has been there some years about how the combination of income / money would work in the coming year.

His initial reply astonished me, when he asked whether I had two bank accounts. I was stumped, and just sat down waiting for my 90 day. As I exited this same guy came over and muttered something about asking his boss.

I gave up and left.

[NoshowJones]

12 hours ago, DaRoadrunner said:

It is only a matter of time till some IOs get the virus. Then we will see how long Immigration stays open. Of course being exposed to a room full of filthy Farangs will ensure we get the blame.

Don't the Chinese ever have any reason to go to Thai immigration offices? Probably not, that will be why IOs don't get the virus.

[NoshowJones]

4 hours ago, timewilltell said:

I hate the immigration rules with a passion but taking it out on the local immigration staff is just blinkered.

 

Yes some if them can be difficult but none of then want to be there. People need to direct their contempt and disgust at the people who make the rules rather than the poor blighters having to impose them and probably recognising the idiocy of a lot of the rules.

 

Thais are not great thinkers except to take advantage and the people at the top are there because of corruption more than brains. Direct your ire there better.

Excellent post, though BritManToo also has an excellent post. It is easy to see where both of you are coming from. 

 

Edited April 2, 2020 by possum1931

[nobodysfriend]

5 hours ago, timewilltell said:

I hate the immigration rules with a passion but taking it out on the local immigration staff is just blinkered.

 

Yes some if them can be difficult but none of then want to be there. People need to direct their contempt and disgust at the people who make the rules rather than the poor blighters having to impose them and probably recognising the idiocy of a lot of the rules.

 

Thais are not great thinkers except to take advantage and the people at the top are there because of corruption more than brains. Direct your ire there better.

Immigration offices get their directives from BKK , but there is a certain level of ' tolerance ' in interpreting these directives ...

for example : Some immigration offices want farangs to prove that they have insurance , ( OA ) others don't ...

Some IO's are a pain in the rear , while others are quite nice , it depends on many factors I guess , ( have a good or bad day ...)

But most of them seem to enjoy being in a position to give orders ... ( you need to bring this paper too , and have it signed by xxx ...)

My thai wife has been living for 20 yrs in France , in all these years she had to go to renew her ' carte de sejour ' ( like a french identity card ) 4 times , every five years ...

 

Edited April 2, 2020 by nobodysfriend