Corona Virus vs FLU

[bikerlou47]

I find it hard to believe that some users of this site think that this virus has the same characteristics of the flu!

Is it really possible that they are serious when it is obvious that this virus is devastating to the world population?

They must be FOX NEWS fans!

[Gumballl]

The symptoms brought on by COVID-19 are very similar to that of the flu. These include: aches/pain of the joints, fever, and difficulty breathing. In extreme cases, pneumonia may set in, and even death may occur.

 

With the flu, we do have treatments to mitigate the illness; these treatments are not as effective with COVID-19.

 

Btw, some people react differently to the flu virus, just as some people react differently to the COVID-19 virus. Not everyone gets sick, yet they can still be a carrier of the virus. A carrier that is otherwise healthy can still spread (either) virus to another person. That next person could end up in the morgue.

[UbonThani]

Hard to believe people are still trying to scare people. It's a mild flu for 80%. That's been known for a while. Some people dont even get sick!

 

 

[bkk6060]

7 minutes ago, UbonThani said:

Hard to believe people are still trying to scare people. It's a mild flu for 80%. That's been known for a while. Some people dont even get sick!

 

 

So, you are trying to justify that it is no big deal yet 20% of the people do not have mild flu symptoms?

Sounds bizzare, so out of a small sample of one milllion people 200,000 fall into the other symptom category?

Not sure if you ever took any statistic classes, but that is a dangerous and totally unacceptable amount of problematic numbers.

 

[Sharp]

1 hour ago, bkk6060 said:

So, you are trying to justify that it is no big deal yet 20% of the people do not have mild flu symptoms?

Sounds bizzare, so out of a small sample of one milllion people 200,000 fall into the other symptom category?

Not sure if you ever took any statistic classes, but that is a dangerous and totally unacceptable amount of problematic numbers.

 

Lets look at this way when it all rinses out including asymptomatic numbers it will be know as the great lockdown hoax...

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, UbonThani said:

Hard to believe people are still trying to scare people. It's a mild flu for 80%. That's been known for a while. Some people dont even get sick!

Tell that to the 50,000 Americans who died from that virus until now. I am sure many of them didn't worry and didn't care because their president told them so. Great job! And that number is steadily growing. Let's take disinfect. 555

[UbonThani]

14 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Tell that to the 50,000 Americans who died from that virus until now. I am sure many of them didn't worry and didn't care because their president told them so. Great job! And that number is steadily growing. Let's take disinfect. 555

How many die from other causes? And does Corona kill them or their 2 or 3 health problems?

 

If you apply lockdowns based on number of deaths it never ends.

 

Swine killed 575k. Nobody cared.

[bert bloggs]

4 minutes ago, UbonThani said:

How many die from other causes? And does Corona kill them or their 2 or 3 health problems?

 

If you apply lockdowns based on number of deaths it never ends.

 

Swine killed 575k. Nobody cared.

Ive had 2 or 3 health problems for over 30 years they have not killed me ,but i am sure if i had a bad case of Corona on top it would ,so ,its a silly argument to use .

[OneMoreFarang]

3 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

Ive had 2 or 3 health problems for over 30 years they have not killed me ,but i am sure if i had a bad case of Corona on top it would ,so ,its a silly argument to use .

UbonThani is inspired by Trump... 

[4MyEgo]

14 hours ago, Sharp said:

Lets look at this way when it all rinses out including asymptomatic numbers it will be know as the great lockdown hoax...

I had similar thoughts till recently, then a mate said to me, look at it this way, this thing is really contagious, and if the population of Australia, e.g. 26 million all got infected with it, stats atm show a 95% recovery rate, what the other 5%, e.g. being elderly, and other with pre-existing conditions and kids under 5 years of age which are still developing immune systems, well he convinced me that 13 million would perish, so I believe it is much worse than any influenza we have had.

 

The above said, keeping myself with pre-existing condition and family out of it's way, as much as it is driving me boringly insane, until a vaccine is found, I hopes.

[GoodieAfterDark]

[4MyEgo]

20 minutes ago, UbonThani said:

How many die from other causes? And does Corona kill them or their 2 or 3 health problems?

I am sure they would have lived a longer life if Covid-19 wasn't around, regardless of 2 or 3 health problems, e.g. I have hypertension, have a stent in one of my arteries, am prediabetic, consider myself relatively healthy for age and weight, and at the age of 60 believe that with the diet I eat and exercise, I could go another 10 years if not more, but with Covid-19 crossing my path, I think it would be game over for me, so why risk it, I mean I am sure these folk that passed away would have lived longer if Covid-19 wasn't around. 

Edited April 27, 2020 by 4MyEgo

[4MyEgo]

13 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

UbonThani is inspired by Trump... 

No doubt the fumes of the disinfectant could have an impact on some brain cells.

[Sharp]

23 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

I had similar thoughts till recently, then a mate said to me, look at it this way, this thing is really contagious, and if the population of Australia, e.g. 26 million all got infected with it, stats atm show a 95% recovery rate, what the other 5%, e.g. being elderly, and other with pre-existing conditions and kids under 5 years of age which are still developing immune systems, well he convinced me that 13 million would perish, so I believe it is much worse than any influenza we have had.

 

The above said, keeping myself with pre-existing condition and family out of it's way, as much as it is driving me boringly insane, until a vaccine is found, I hopes.

I respect your opinion but one thing is yet to be determined is how much the numbers are being padded.(For obvious reasons)

 

More and more Dr are coming out agreeing the  numbers of deaths are inconsistent to say the least so let's see if we can get a REAL view in the coming months.

[Xaos]

4 minutes ago, Sharp said:

I respect your opinion but one thing is yet to be determined is how much the numbers are being padded.(For obvious reasons)

 

More and more Dr are coming out agreeing the  numbers of deaths are inconsistent to say the least so let's see if we can get a REAL view in the coming months.

 

NY 11 000 vs Tokyo 93

NY 11 000 vs Tokyo, Dhaka, Mumbai, Cairo, mexico City, Dehli, Beijing, Sao Paulo, Osaka, Shanghai 93

USA 54,000 vs Whole world 200 000

 

Sounds about right.

[UbonThani]

44 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

Ive had 2 or 3 health problems for over 30 years they have not killed me ,but i am sure if i had a bad case of Corona on top it would ,so ,its a silly argument to use .

So lockdowns shpuld occur every year then?

 

 

[UbonThani]

45 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

Ive had 2 or 3 health problems for over 30 years they have not killed me ,but i am sure if i had a bad case of Corona on top it would ,so ,its a silly argument to use .

so why no lockdowns for flu season?

 

300 to 600k deaths

 

 

[UbonThani]

33 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

I am sure they would have lived a longer life if Covid-19 wasn't around, regardless of 2 or 3 health problems, e.g. I have hypertension, have a stent in one of my arteries, am prediabetic, consider myself relatively healthy for age and weight, and at the age of 60 believe that with the diet I eat and exercise, I could go another 10 years if not more, but with Covid-19 crossing my path, I think it would be game over for me, so why risk it, I mean I am sure these folk that passed away would have lived longer if Covid-19 wasn't around. 

swine flu

yearly flu

 

they kill lots

 

no lockdowns

[Xaos]

1 minute ago, UbonThani said:

so why no lockdowns for flu season?

 

300 to 600k deaths

 

 

no one can answer that 

ppl are so easy manipulatd and scared, blows my mind really

[UbonThani]

1 minute ago, Xaos said:

no one can answer that 

ppl are so easy manipulatd and scared, blows my mind really

exactly

the co2 cult has changed people

transferred over to this

 

[Xaos]

this winter seson despite (or thanks to) mass vaccination campaings Italy had its record flu infections with reported (november) 4 million infected, since then everything is covid19. Worst flu since 14 years https://www.thelocal.it/20180119/italy-worst-flu-season-in-14-years

 

Then we lockdown for few covid19 cases. Yep makes sense, we all safe now

[UbonThani]

7 minutes ago, Xaos said:

this winter seson despite (or thanks to) mass vaccination campaings Italy had its record flu infections with reported (november) 4 million infected, since then everything is covid19. Worst flu since 14 years https://www.thelocal.it/20180119/italy-worst-flu-season-in-14-years

 

Then we lockdown for few covid19 cases. Yep makes sense, we all safe now

How many doctors are on the big pharma payroll?

[Assurancetourix]

15 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Tell that to the 50,000 Americans who died from that virus until now.

who actually died from the flu or some other filth; the Covid having only accelerated their death.

When all this is finished, I hope that we will make the real accounts;

those who actually died from Covid, that is to say not many people and those who died from another disease accelerated by Covid.

 

Just look at the "cheeses' and other tables that can be found on most newspapers;

the Covid accelerates the death of people over 80 who already have one to three pathologies.

To bring the world economy to its knees for a negligible percentage of deaths is for me an heresy;
negligible, yes because 50,000 compared to 350 million is peanuts.

[Moonlover]

39 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

I am sure they would have lived a longer life if Covid-19 wasn't around, regardless of 2 or 3 health problems, e.g. I have hypertension, have a stent in one of my arteries, am prediabetic, consider myself relatively healthy for age and weight, and at the age of 60 believe that with the diet I eat and exercise, I could go another 10 years if not more, but with Covid-19 crossing my path, I think it would be game over for me, so why risk it, I mean I am sure these folk that passed away would have lived longer if Covid-19 wasn't around. 

I empathize with you regarding your situation. I'm 74 and in generally good health. I only have stage 1 hypertension to contend with, which I control with exercise and careful dieting.

 

And I'm also realistic in that it is quite likely that Covid 19 could bring about my demise. But could one really regard that as a premature death?

 

I am capable of self isolating myself, should this virus come my way. (so far it hasn't but I'm prepared for it) So should I really expect the whole of humanity to come to a grinding halt and endure the suffering and hardship that it entails, so that we, the least productive and useful members of society can enjoy (or often endure) a few more years of life?

 

No I do not think so. I believe it's high time that this stupid lock down ended and normal life be resumed. Those of us of the older generations can either take risk of catching this virus, or self isolate until it's all over. The choice should be ours.

[Xaos]

17 minutes ago, UbonThani said:

How many doctors are on the big pharma payroll?

More like on Gates payroll. Dr. Fauci and Dr. Brix are. 

[4MyEgo]

24 minutes ago, UbonThani said:

swine flu

yearly flu

 

they kill lots

 

no lockdowns

WHO says Covid-19 is 10 times more deadly than Swine Flu: 

https://www.france24.com/en/20200413-who-says-covid-19-is-10-times-more-deadly-than-swine-flu

 

Google and ask the question, is Covid-19 more deadly than the flu and this is what you will get.

 

COVID-19 causes more severe disease than seasonal influenza.

While many people globally have built up immunity to seasonal flu strains, COVID-19 is a new virus to which no one has immunity. That means more people are susceptible to infection, and some will suffer severe disease.

Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected.

 

Mortality for COVID-19 appears higher than for influenza, especially seasonal influenza. While the true mortality of COVID-19 will take some time to fully understand, the data we have so far indicate that the crude mortality ratio (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) is between 3-4%, the infection mortality rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) will be lower.

 

For seasonal influenza, mortality is usually well below 0.1%. However, mortality is to a large extent determined by access to and quality of health care.

 

Done and dusted IMO.

[checkered flag]

We have developed strategies and treatment protocols for the flu, that reduce severity and mortality rates, including vaccinations. However comorbidity is usually what kills. Covid is similar but we are just now figuring out how to treat it. Sick people are at higher risk and Covid pushes the risk further. Remove those patient who have preexisting conditions and I think the numbers will be low. 

We need to take care of the high risk group and let the others live a normal life.

[4MyEgo]

2 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

I empathize with you regarding your situation. I'm 74 and in generally good health. I only have stage 1 hypertension to contend with, which I control with exercise and careful dieting.

 

And I'm also realistic in that it is quite likely that Covid 19 could bring about my demise. But could one really regard that as a premature death?

 

I am capable of self isolating myself, should this virus come my way. (so far it hasn't but I'm prepared for it) So should I really expect the whole of humanity to come to a grinding halt and endure the suffering and hardship that it entails, so that we, the least productive and useful members of society can enjoy (or often endure) a few more years of life?

 

No I do not think so. I believe it's high time that this stupid lock down ended and normal life be resumed. Those of us of the older generations can either take risk of catching this virus, or self isolate until it's all over. The choice should be ours.

Thanks, and yes, don't get me wrong, I totally agree with what your saying, I am prepared to them to lift the lockdown and we look after ourselves best we can.

 

I was just trying to paint a broader picture for the other poster who if I recall, was down playing it's potential effect on the elderly, those with pre-existing conditions and the very young.

 

 

[checkered flag]

Your 3.4% morbidity rate is based on diagnosed cases, not all cases. We know now that most cases are asymptomatic and not included. The true morbidity rate is probably in line with the flu. 

Everyday we are learning more and the picture is changing. 

[mauGR1]

6 minutes ago, checkered flag said:

We need to take care of the high risk group and let the others live a normal life.

That sounds reasonable, but what is the meaning of "take care of the high risk group".

I hope you don't want to send them all to some concentration camp.

I say, let's everyone live a normal life.