Boxing Stadium Beer Bars at Entrance to Walking Street

[swerve]

9 minutes ago, TacoKhun said:

there is kao san road in bangkok, no gogos and full of people

Khao San road.  Exactly.  Boring and maybe even more stale/dated than Pattaya.

[champers]

3 hours ago, Oldie said:

I am not against bars and nightlife. They should create a kind of Las Vegas for bar and nightlife lovers at a new location. 

With casinos, of course, and wedding chapels where you can marry last night's belle.

Edited April 28, 2020 by champers

[daveAustin]

5 hours ago, Oldie said:

I had a dream... 

 

They should remove the sex bars from the Walking Street and create there a nice area with things like restaurants, small shops and sea view. The bars can be outside Pattaya where only people go that want to go there - there is no need for a beach location. They should move also all other red light areas from the city to this new location and create a paradise for people looking for something like this without disturbing others. Of course there needs to be good and cheap public transportation to this entertainment area. This bar chaos without zoning would come to an end and everyone could be happy. 

I think that's the plan of the little CCP. But reckon they're better off keeping Pattaya what it is best known for and having the 'nice' areas everywhere else.

[Oldie]

1 hour ago, champers said:

With casinos, of course, and wedding chapels where you can marry last night's belle.

Sex, gambling und booze - Pattayas bad image would get unbeatable. 

[White Christmas13]

6 hours ago, steven100 said:

They were busy some 15-20yrs ago .....  my hand is still sore from ringing that damn bell

But not from polishing all the boots

[White Christmas13]

5 hours ago, steven100 said:

walking street will be no longer ....  it's being revamped 

yes little P

[scubascuba3]

7 hours ago, TacoKhun said:

there is kao san road in bangkok, no gogos and full of people

Yes i used to go there a lot, a mecca for backpackers but i thought they killed it last i heard

[jacko45k]

11 hours ago, Oldie said:

They should move it outside the city to a location that is still cheap. The city area will get more and more expensive - perhaps too expensive for bars and other nightlife. 

Yeah, that is what they said about LKMetro, not sure what the nightlife area of Walking St will be replaced with if the GGBs, and beer bars are all gone. Doubt the Turkish ice-cream sellers and overpriced seafood places with dubious practices will be the same draw alone. 

[Aland]

11 hours ago, Oldie said:

I am not against bars and nightlife. They should create a kind of Las Vegas for bar and nightlife lovers at a new location. 

They did and they called it walking street. Instead of changing the world to suit yourself, why don’t you move yourself to some nice quiet location?

[Henryford]

If they destroy WS and the nightlife Pattaya is finished. Why else would anyone come to this dump.

[Skallywag]

14 minutes ago, Henryford said:

If they destroy WS and the nightlife Pattaya is finished. Why else would anyone come to this dump.

They come for kite sailing, the floating restaurants, the Alcazar, show, to enjoy the foods and malls.  And Fireworks!!   It is called tourism.  For the past many years, you see these large buses of Chinese coming everyday.   

Old caucasian men come here for sex and suicide, which can also be a lot of fun (except for the latter)  ????

[ThailandRyan]

4 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Yes i used to go there a lot, a mecca for backpackers but i thought they killed it last i heard

Not killed.  This past year up until my last trip for dinner at one of the restaurants I like, Khao San Rd. was still packed.  The beer bars and music were still in full swing, and there were still tourists.  I also miss the Night Train market, good restaurants, and many little beer bars, to enjoy the evening in Bangkok off of Rama 9..

[ThailandRyan]

49 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

They come for kite sailing, the floating restaurants, the Alcazar, show, to enjoy the foods and malls.  And Fireworks!!   It is called tourism.  For the past many years, you see these large buses of Chinese coming everyday.   

Old caucasian men come here for sex and suicide, which can also be a lot of fun (except for the latter)  ????

Your not talking about the Farang Flying Club are you Skallywag.  That is the club joined by those that feel they have lost everything and have no one to take care of them in their waning years.  It has been very silent with not seeing any flying reports on TV or in the news, while the Thai's unfortunately are joining the old west way of hang-em-high because of there loosing everything.  Too many people out of work, loosing family members, unable to pay bills, and the need to work is urgently needed.   Maybe the regulations will be relaxed and some can get back to work in Pattaya, Bangkok, and the other areas.....now lets open up some things please Thai Government

Edited April 29, 2020 by ThailandRyan

[Kerryd]

8 hours ago, Oldie said:

Sex, gambling und booze - Pattayas bad image would get unbeatable. 

Yeah, if they had all that they'd be just like - Las Vegas. Or New Orleans. Or Atlantic City.

Face it, Pattaya's main draw is Walking Street. Get rid of it and replace it with what, more overpriced shopping malls and restaurants like you can find pretty much anywhere ? Wow ! That'll bring the tourists in ! They love paying more for the same junk they can get back home - where they probably manufacture half the stuff (or more) that is being sold !

For decades the authorities have been trying to change Pattaya's image to being a "Family Friendly" resort and guess what ? 

It already is !!

Years ago (10 ? More ?) we did a thread here on all the things you could do in Pattaya without once every going to a go-go or beer bar (or even anywhere near Walking Street for that matter).

I think we were up to something like 80 different activities you could do or venues you could visit without once ever having to see any "sin".
Whether it be paintball or bowling. Kite surfing or Crocodile Farms. Bunji jumping or fishing.

Take Amsterdam as a comparison. You can do all manner of things there without every going near the (famed) Red Light District. But what does everyone (almost everyone) want to see when they go there ? The Red Light District (and the cafes where they are annoyed when you order coffee instead of marijuana or hash).

Does anyone think that, if they got rid of the Red Light District and put up (more) shopping malls, more tourists would start going there ? I don't think so (or they'd have done it decades ago as well.)

If you took away the gambling in Las Vegas (and Reno), why would people go there ? The shows by Celine Dion or Tom Jones ? They are only there to lure people into the casinos. Lose the gambling and they'd be out of work.
The golfing ? Plenty of other places to play when you've run out of money. Getting rid of the gambling wouldn't cause a mass increase in tourists flocking there to play golf.
Atlantic City is probably quite similar. Get rid of the gambling and what would happen ? A massive drop in the number of people travelling there (and spending huge amounts of cash) almost instantly.

If they want make Pattaya more "family friendly" they could easily direct their efforts towards improving the Central and North parts of the city and outlying areas (which feature a lot of attractions already). 
Get this. People don't have to go to Walking Street if they don't want to ! (Some people seem to think otherwise for some reason.)

People (including families) do go to Walking Street because they want to see the bars and go-gos and cute girls on the street in costume - even if they don't go into the bars/go-gos themselves !!

And if you think Walking Street isn't a draw for all those busloads of Chinese (or hordes of Indians) then you don't go there very often. They may not spend much, but they sure like to look !

Edited April 29, 2020 by Kerryd

[baansgr]

13 hours ago, Oldie said:

Just take a big cheap empty area outside the city and create a new nightlife paradise and move the existing nightlife there. I think in the long run the bars in the Walking Street and at other places will not be able to survive anyway. Many bars had to move already because shopping malls, hotels and condominiums were built at prime locations. 

 

Theyve already tried that...it's called the darkside...or Rumpoo in Jomtien had almost 100 bars in one complex...that didn't last long

[Oldie]

1 hour ago, Kerryd said:

And if you think Walking Street isn't a draw for all those busloads of Chinese (or hordes of Indians) then you don't go there very often. They may not spend much, but they sure like to look !

This is a big misunderstanding. I am not against the Walking Street or against the nightlife. But if they organized the nightlife in a better way it could be really a great tourist attraction. It doesn't make sense that gogo bars occupy a prime beach location. Walking Street could be at an other place. It also does not make much sense to have nightlife at locations like Soi Buakhao were it is dangerous to walk without any pavement and also it does not make sense to have the nightlife spread all over the city. Pattaya is a nightlife chaos.

 

Edited April 29, 2020 by Oldie

[Kerryd]

24 minutes ago, Oldie said:

It also does not make much sense to have nightlife at locations like Soi Buakhao were it is dangerous to walk without any pavement and also it does not make sense to have the nightlife spread all over the city. Pattaya is a nightlife chaos.

It is, and even in the none "night life" areas they have the same problems. In fact, I think it is one of the most "damaging" things to Pattaya's image, the way the roads/sidewalks are maintained in the city.

The city also did try to curtail the spread of the "nightlife" by creating "entertainment zones". Businesses within certain zones had later operating hours. Any businesses in other zones, even of the same type, had earlier closing times.

One could say it has helped as most "nightlife" is contained within a few areas (I'm not counting all the regular bars as they are everywhere around the city but even they are supposed to follow the timings of whatever "zone" they are in.)

I'm sure that without those "zones", there'd be a lot more nightclubs, karaokes, beer bars and go-gos cropping up all over the city.

And I don't think places like Soi Buakhao and LK Metro rank very high on the tourist "must see" list of family attractions. It's not like tourists are flooding those areas to see the shop house restaurants/nail salons/mini-marts and other wonderful attractions that fill the area not occupied by the few bars and go-gos there.

Things could be improved obviously. Hardly a place on this planet that couldn't be improved one way or another.

Things like this though, to me, damage Pattaya's image more than Walking Street:



(And sites like that are pretty common throughout the city.)

[TaaSaparot]

Has the demolition of the Siren Beer Bar Complex definitely started?

 

This all seems to be coming from an article in the Thai media which was about the Beauty Salon at the back finishing up.

 

Has anyone seen with their own eyes the demolition?

[TaaSaparot]

3 hours ago, TaaSaparot said:

Has the demolition of the Siren Beer Bar Complex definitely started?

 

This all seems to be coming from an article in the Thai media which was about the Beauty Salon at the back finishing up.

 

Has anyone seen with their own eyes the demolition?

Now seen it for myself, and yes its being gutted.

[Pattaya46]

3 hours ago, TaaSaparot said:

Has the demolition of the Siren Beer Bar Complex definitely started? //

Has anyone seen with their own eyes the demolition?

 

A pic borrowed from Pattaya-Addicts forum :

[scubascuba3]

1 minute ago, Pattaya46 said:

 

A pic borrowed from Pattaya-Addicts forum :

Is that all the way to the back incl that other big bar\restaurant?

[TaaSaparot]

3 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Is that all the way to the back incl that other big bar\restaurant?

No.

[Leaver]

22 hours ago, Pattaya46 said:

They had the project to turn most of The Avenue building in a Nana Plazza alike, but I think this project failed already.

Mr. Baku (Indian) who was looking at developing The Avenue into a Nana Plaza style establishment might be showing some interest in The Nightwish Group.  if they go bust, and he picks up some, most, or all of their leases, for cheap, Soi 6 becomes Little India when the virus crisis has finished.  No redevelopment needed.  Basically, WIWO.  

 

I hope this does not happen, but many things will not be the same here, 12 to 18 months from now.  

[Leaver]

I would not be surprised if some wealthy Chinese buy a few gogo's on Walking Street and repurpose them as Chinese karaoke bars.  A small stage already exists, as well as lighting and sound system, and seating. 

 

They would do a deal with the Chinese tour operators to have the groups visit their karaoke on their night tours of Walking Street.  There would be illegal Chinese staff doing some singing for the crowd.  

 

Once again, zero baht for Thailand.    

[couchpotato]

29 minutes ago, Leaver said:

who was looking at developing The Avenue into a Nana Plaza style establishment .  if they go bust, and he picks up some, most, or all of their leases, for cheap, Soi 6 becomes Little India when the virus crisis has finished.  No redevelopment needed.  Basically, WIWO.  

 

I hope this does not happen, but many things will not be the same here, 12 to 18 months from now.  

Mr. Baku (Indian) might be showing some interest in The Nightwish Group..

Where did you obtain this information?--sounds a bit made up to me!. 

Edited April 29, 2020 by couchpotato

[Leaver]

5 minutes ago, couchpotato said:

Mr. Baku (Indian) might be showing some interest in The Nightwish Group..

Where did you obtain this information?--sounds a bit made up to me!. 

Yes, it's a hypothetical.  

 

It was reported on TV that he was interested in redeveloping The Avenue.  He may not have to, and can still achieve the same result, and probably for cheaper.

[Pattaya46]

33 minutes ago, Leaver said:

Mr. Baku (Indian) who was looking at developing The Avenue into a Nana Plaza style establishment might be showing some interest in The Nightwish Group.  if they go bust, and he picks up some, most, or all of their leases, for cheap, Soi 6 becomes Little India when the virus crisis has finished.  No redevelopment needed.  Basically, WIWO.

From what I remember, his idea was to make some "agogos center"in the avenue, plus some beer bars around.

Agogos is a very different business than Soi 6 short-time sex bars... I have big doubt about this project.

[Leaver]

3 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

From what I remember, his idea was to make some "agogos center"in the avenue, plus some beer bars around.

Agogos is a very different business than Soi 6 short-time sex bars... I have big doubt about this project.

That project was supposed to be finished this month.  It never eventuated, as most of us suspected.

 

If he was serious about eventually doing something, I am sure he would be casting an eye over certain complexes where most have / will go broke, or as I mentioned, Soi 6.   

[MRTELLYOUSTRAIGHT]

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

That project was supposed to be finished this month.  It never eventuated, as most of us suspected.

 

If he was serious about eventually doing something, I am sure he would be casting an eye over certain complexes where most have / will go broke, or as I mentioned, Soi 6.   

Credibility ground zero.

[Leaver]

29 minutes ago, MRTELLYOUSTRAIGHT said:

Credibility ground zero.

As I said, it was a hypothetical.  In times like these, acquisitions and takes overs of distressed companies are common.