Comparing Cambodia's and Thailand's Covid-19 response and its success

[lamyai3]

1 hour ago, yuyiinthesky said:

and massive exposure to visitors from China and Wuhan, thousands, ten thousands, hundred thousands, bringing in any virus which runs around in Wuhan the next day already.

Also, Hun Sen allowed the Westerdam cruise ship to disembark there and shook hands with the alighting passengers without wearing a mask. It was a political stunt that paid off, but it indicates their devil-may-care attitude to the whole thing. 

[lkv]

3 hours ago, lamyai3 said:

Two things both countries have in common. 

1) Low numbers of cases and deaths despite early exposure. 

2) The same hot, humid climate. 

3. Military regimes in power that supress freedom of speech and press.

4. Low levels of testing.

[teacherclaire]

On 5/1/2020 at 2:57 AM, yuyiinthesky said:

Sorry, I have no information about North Korea or Mr Kim, and I don't really care about him.

+ 1/ Who in this world cares about Mr. KIm other than Mr. Kim himself? 

 

         

[teacherclaire]

8 minutes ago, lkv said:

3. Military regimes in power that supress freedom of speech and press.

4. Low levels of testing.

   5. In both countries are way too many not well educated doctors and nurses.

( Try to find a good doctor at a government hospital)

   6. In both countries is corruption the worst enemy of the ordinary folks. 

   7. Both countries rely on tourists, while Cambodia understands how important foreigners' bucks really are for their economy. 

[lamyai3]

18 hours ago, teacherclaire said:

18 hours ago, lkv said:

3. Military regimes in power that supress freedom of speech and press.

4. Low levels of testing.

   5. In both countries are way too many not well educated doctors and nurses.

( Try to find a good doctor at a government hospital)

   6. In both countries is corruption the worst enemy of the ordinary folks. 

   7. Both countries rely on tourists, while Cambodia understands how important foreigners' bucks really are for their economy. 

All true. When an administration isn't transparent (which applies to the whole region), the only thing that can be relied on is high rates of serious illness and high mortality rates. These haven't happened anywhere locally on a comparable scale with the hard hit countries in Europe. Obviously the official numbers are mostly worthless, but with social media use in Thailand being amongst the highest in the world, images of hospitals being overwhelmed and dead bodies piling up would have spread across the internet faster than you could say Zuckerberg. 

[Vigilante]

Cambodia's numbers are even more dodgy than N. Korea's

[yuyiinthesky]

1 hour ago, Vigilante said:

Cambodia's numbers are even more dodgy than N. Korea's

What make you saying that?

I had long chats with many friends living in Cambodia, and they all report that they don't see or know any infected or sick persons, that the hospitals would be not full, and no signs of people dying. There seems to be no indication that the number of zero deaths is very wrong.

Also they report that they can go to restaurants, bars, beaches, markets, buy alcohol, have parties with their friends (without masks and distancing). Many of them are older, 60+ or even 70+, but nobody got infected.

You might not like the government there (who does?), but this is not about the government, but simply about the numbers. And it is quite possible that with the limited testing there and the focus on testing sick people and their contacts only, using PCR tests, they could not catch more. Especially considering that the virus did pass through already in December and January.

So what information do you have?

 

Edited May 9, 2020 by yuyiinthesky

[chessman]

Percentage of people 65 or over in the population.

 

Cambodia 3.8%

Thailand   9.9%

The UK.    18%

Italy.        21.7%

Number of elderly people is probably a very big factor

 

 

 

Edited May 9, 2020 by chessman

[yuyiinthesky]

4 hours ago, chessman said:

Percentage of people 65 or over in the population.

 

Cambodia 3.8%

Thailand   9.9%

The UK.    18%

Italy.        21.7%

Number of elderly people is probably a very big factor

 

Yes, absolutely, that reduces the death rate. The younger ones are asymptotic, most of them don't really notice the infection.

[chessman]

10 hours ago, yuyiinthesky said:

The younger ones are asymptotic, most of them don't really notice the infection.

It’s amazing that after a few months, nobody is sure about the number of asymptomatic cases.

 

found this on an Oxford University page that illustrates the issue

 

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-what-proportion-are-asymptomatic/

[DavisH]

16 hours ago, chessman said:

Percentage of people 65 or over in the population.

 

Cambodia 3.8%

Thailand   9.9%

The UK.    18%

Italy.        21.7%

Number of elderly people is probably a very big factor

 

 

 

Thwese numbers are less then 5% for African countries, with an average generally less than 20 y.o. I think a lot will get sick there, but the death rate may not be as high as other countries. Climate and culture also appear to play a role.