Defamation if I accuse someone of theft without seeing the theft?

[morrobay]

The two part air con system was replaced in my unit a few weeks ago, called in by management. Three workers, an older man with two helpers. When they showed up in morning my Thai  girlfriend was present, having spent the night. I could have had her go on her way before they showed up so as not to fuel the foreigner-Thai female-local male triangle. And no one has to tell me what a fool I was for walking her down to get a bahtbus. So I was gone just 10 minutes. I had valuables locked up, except for 60 000 baht that was just in envelope in a file box. This cash was in case ATM's have problem sometime so I do not monitor it. A few days ago I counted 38000 baht in envelope. So I'm sure this lowlife older/boss did a rapid search while I stepped out. He has good denials : the  two helpers and can claim it was my girlfriend, who I know it was not. The irony is that it was good work and I was thinking to change my opinion of thaimales. So much for that. So if I make a complaint can I be subject to defamation? 

 

Edited May 6, 2020 by morrobay

[Don Mega]

the "GF"/rental stole it....

 

suck it up bro.

 

but yeah report it to the police and accuse the AC peeps of theft.... ... in the end if you win it will cost you more than a handful of baht.

Edited May 6, 2020 by Don Mega

[BritManToo]

Keep money locked in a safe.

If you don't, you only have yourself to blame.

22k gone ........ not the end of the world.

[johng]

Unless you have CCTV  evidence I don't see you have a leg to stand on.

By all means make a police report but don't expect much of a result.

 

Never ever leave workers/strangers unattended in your home.

 

 

[baansgr]

My neighbours long term gf of almost ten years stole over 400,000 baht from him a few months back....stupid him for having it in a draw...but of course she denied it yet they are the only two ever in the house.

[Mavideol]

surprised they/he didn't take all of it..... surprisingly strange

[transam]

Forget it........You don't know who nicked it.....????

[CNXexpat]

9 minutes ago, morrobay said:

a few weeks ago

 

9 minutes ago, morrobay said:

A few days ago

Well, a long time. You better forget a complaint and learn to put your money in a safe.

[saakura]

So he/she took 22k and left 38k for you? Then be thankful.

[Mavideol]

regardless how you look at it, it's your fault, you came to Thailand and not the other way around 555

[lopburi3]

5 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

surprised they/he didn't take all of it..... surprisingly strange

Indeed - much more likely to have been someone known trying to support a family out of work during these times - but that too is just speculation.

 

Defamation under Thai law does not have to be untrue so a very slippery path.  As said it is probably much better to be more careful next time.

[bkk6060]

7 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

surprised they/he didn't take all of it..... surprisingly strange

Actually many smart thieves will not take it all. They want you to think you made a mistake counting and exactly like you said if accused they will say: if it was stolen, why didn't I take it all.

[Mavideol]

2 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

Actually many smart thieves will not take it all. They want you to think you made a mistake counting and exactly like you said if accused they will say: if it was stolen, why didn't I take it all.

got you.... you know the ins and outs, were you one of them 555

[transam]

2 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

Actually many smart thieves will not take it all. They want you to think you made a mistake counting and exactly like you said if accused they will say: if it was stolen, why didn't I take it all.

Exactly, could be anyone with access.....

A lesson learned, and a cheap safe bought......????

[Kwasaki]

25 minutes ago, morrobay said:

two helpers and can claim it was my girlfriend,

So how do you know it's not. ?

[Mavideol]

Just now, transam said:

Exactly, could be anyone with access.....

A lesson learned, and a cheap safe bought......????

if a cheap safe, easy to remove, then next time they will walk way with it as well and all its inventory

[transam]

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

if a cheap safe, easy to remove, then next time they will walk way with it as well and all its inventory

I have a cheap safe, it is bolted to the floor......????

[pixelaoffy]

Never leave low paid Thais with the temptation.I never leave any workmen alone in my place to do anything unless Im there ALL the time watching every move 

[xvend]

Let me guess, you gf works at a beauty salon, never worked in a bar, and speaks perfect english with a brand new set of tits?

[lopburi3]

5 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

if a cheap safe, easy to remove, then next time they will walk way with it as well and all its inventory

A situation such as this, and most opportunity type situations, a cheap safe would have worked well.

[sungod]

35 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

Actually many smart thieves will not take it all. They want you to think you made a mistake counting and exactly like you said if accused they will say: if it was stolen, why didn't I take it all.

Leaves that element of doubt, very clever.

 

I got 2 bank accounts, only one has an ATM card and is never over 40,000.

 

Cash in the house, cheap safe but dont put a significant amount in it.

 

 

[cleopatra2]

If you make a police report and the police decide the complaint is without merit you will be charged with making a false report

[Don Mega]

11 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said:

If you make a police report and the police decide the complaint is without merit you will be charged with making a false report

and if they find he has posted here making the matter public............ defamation !!

[SteveK]

21 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

and if they find he has posted here making the matter public............ defamation !!

It can't be defamation if it's impossible to identify the person being accused from what he has said.

Edited May 6, 2020 by SteveK

[Don Mega]

3 minutes ago, SteveK said:

It can't be defamation if it's impossible to identify the person from what he has said.

When the police knock on the door Thai visa will happily give up the IP address......

[SteveK]

Just now, Don Mega said:

When the police knock on the door Thai visa will happily give up the IP address......

I'm talking about the dudes who went in the apartment, not the accuser!

 

 

 

 

[Puchaiyank]

Your accusation is on shaky ground...in actuality you have no idea who took your unsecured baht.

 

Wise up!

[Don Mega]

5 minutes ago, SteveK said:

I'm talking about the dudes who went in the apartment, not the accuser!

 

 

 

 

 

If the accused find this thread.............

 

In reality though... the OP has hit the cans and dipped into the chunk... blind freddy can see that.

Edited May 6, 2020 by Don Mega

[SteveK]

Someone has taken the money. There are only 4 people who could possibly have taken it so it wouldn't take a great deal of police work to investigate. Reporting a real theft to the police won't get you in trouble, either. Just say what happened without pointing any fingers.

 

Despite what some people have said, 22k is £550, which is a lot of money so I would be seriously annoyed. I would definitely be doing something about it.

 

If you have travel insurance they usually cover cash up to a certain amount, with a police report you might be able to claim on that.

 

And if leaving a bit behind raises so much doubt that police don't investigate, all thieves would do it and no thefts would ever get investigated.

Edited May 6, 2020 by SteveK

[lopburi3]

23 minutes ago, SteveK said:

There are only 4 people who could possibly have taken it

Actually there are 5 at least on that one day alone if you include the owner - no mention how many other people have visited since as it seems the loss was not noticed for several weeks.