Trump calls Fauci remarks on risks to reopening schools, economy unacceptable

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

Actually, the president CAN argue with science. The Fauci cartel doesn't make economic decisions. The solutions being presented remind me of how in the old days doctors used to bleed people. Would you say it was a good thing people argued with that 2,000 years of "science"?

Trump arguing with science, he’s ignoring science.

[lagavulin1]

9 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Of course it's lives versus dollars, as always. If it weren't, cars would be banned because of the tens of thousands of people killed on US roads each year.

Ah. Same old. Same old is it. Should have expected that. 

[Crazy Alex]

11 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

OK, your doctor's advice to you is unscientific. Have a good day and lots of luck - you'll need it.

My *luck* is just fine. Do you go to your doctor for economic advice?

[Crazy Alex]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Trump arguing with science, he’s ignoring science.

Whose science?

[Crazy Alex]

4 minutes ago, lagavulin1 said:

Ah. Same old. Same old is it. Should have expected that. 

It's the "same old same old" because it's true and valid.

[Sujo]

52 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yes that's sounds very unscientific to me, as does your effort to portray Dr. Fauci as an authority on economics.

He isnt an authority in economics, so why did trump ask his advice?

 

He is a scientist asked his advice on the virus and how to deal with it. Why did trump ask him that then say he doesnt know what he is talking about.

 

majority of people trust fauci, thats trumps problem, most trust fauci over trump and it hurts his ego.

[Sujo]

28 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Whose science?

The guy who he asked to provide it.

[Neeranam]

Trump is right here. Fauci is an evil man.

[Sujo]

47 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Of course it's lives versus dollars, as always. If it weren't, cars would be banned because of the tens of thousands of people killed on US roads each year.

But cars have limits as do drivers. Oh say it isnt so.

[Sujo]

25 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Trump is right here. Fauci is an evil man.

Then why is trump asking him for advice.

[Sujo]

2 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

The cost is the problem.

I see. So you dont agree with trumps guidelines of when states should open. Nice to see you dont agree with him.

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

Then why is trump asking him for advice.

Because he's the guy in charge.

[Neeranam]

Just noticed he's 79, why on ask him?

[stevenl]

27 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Just noticed he's 79, why on ask him?

Yes, never listen to anyone over 50.

How old is Trump btw?

[Tie Dye Samurai]

2 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

2,000 years of science said bloodletting was the cure. Economics is a science. Why is a health care scientist trying to dictate a matter of economics- and using emotions to do so? Doesn't sound very scientific to me.

wow...you dont know the difference between physical science and social science (and dont try to deny it because you just outed yourself)....unbelievable... a physical scientist (in this case a physician and immunologist) isnt trying to dictate economics....he is making scientific recommendations to social scientists (economists) and they make choices that effect economics which is an entirely different thing...just because the word "SCIENCE" is used doesnt mean it is all the same thing...and as far as "using" emotions....he is presenting facts and those facts are being processed by others emotionally (like you) that do not know what they are talking about (like you). Your arguments, by the way, are also social science (erisology) and you sir are the leaches and bloodletting of that particular science.

[Sujo]

54 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Because he's the guy in charge.

Trump is in charge

 

[Crazy Alex]

18 minutes ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

wow...you dont know the difference between physical science and social science (and dont try to deny it because you just outed yourself)....unbelievable... a physical scientist (in this case a physician and immunologist) isnt trying to dictate economics....he is making scientific recommendations to social scientists (economists) and they make choices that effect economics which is an entirely different thing...just because the word "SCIENCE" is used doesnt mean it is all the same thing...and as far as "using" emotions....he is presenting facts and those facts are being processed by others emotionally (like you) that do not know what they are talking about (like you). Your arguments, by the way, are also social science (erisology) and you sir are the leaches and bloodletting of that particular science.

Dr. Fauci is not an expert on economics. True or false?

We should listen to experts in their various fields on important matters. True or false?

Specifically, what have I posted that leads you to make the accusaiton that I don't know the difference between social and physical science?

[Crazy Alex]

6 minutes ago, lagavulin1 said:

Thats the whole point idiot. True & valid what the hell does that mean? ? Luddite supreme. We have the chance to change but you would recommend destroying the planet? 

Specifically, what have I posted that leads you to believe I "would recommend destroying the planet"?

[Crazy Alex]

25 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, never listen to anyone over 50.

How old is Trump btw?

Almost as old as Biden. ????

[lagavulin1]

4 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Specifically, what have I posted that leads you to believe I "would recommend destroying the planet"?

Simple. You propose restoring "the economy" Based on growth growth. Translation : the system designed to put ever more value into the coffers of the rich. Sounds like you may have interests

[Crazy Alex]

1 minute ago, lagavulin1 said:

Simple. You propose restoring "the economy" Based on growth growth. Translation : the system designed to put ever more value into the coffers of the rich. Sounds like you may have interests

Yes, like virtually all Americans, I have interests. A strong economy is in the interest of everyone.

 

Frankly, I'm not sure what to make of your comment about the rich. Well, I will say this. It appears your hatred of the rich may be so intense, you're willing to let everyone's lives go to <deleted> over it. I don't agree with that approach. The rich get richer because they continue to do that which makes them rich. The poor get poorer because they continue to do that which makes them poor.

 

I've been very poor in my life. Once I decided my life was my responsibility (i.e. not blaming or hating rich people for what they have) and concentrated on improving my life, my life improved dramatically. I challenge you to show me anyone who improved their life by focusing on the rich or other people they hate instead of concentrating on achieving their own goals, successes and improvements to their life.

 

 

[tomazbodner]

This death rate is getting tiring. Only old and sick are dying. OK.... So is anyone here young and 100% healthy? Doesn't have ANY hidden illness at all? Nothing that would be found during some checkup 10 years later? Nearly everyone has some trouble. If you don't believe, splash out on a fully comprehensive health check and let us know if doctor doesn't find absolutely anything wrong.

 

As for who survives - well, you might get infected and walk away with it. But it might be like surviving a plane crash - alive but not well. Virus can severely damage lungs, in 1/3 of cases (that was just in ticker on Channel News Asia) it damages kidneys, we've heard of damage to nervous system that was long term or permanent (loss of smell and/or taste), damage to other internal organs in case of drop of oxygen in blood as a result of infection moving to the lungs. That are not small problems.

 

And if you think you have it once and you're immune - according to Chinese and US researchers, published by South China Morning Post, most of those who had mild illness, have either none or way too low antibodies count to prevent reinfection. Even those who had a very serious condition, in many cases have too low immunity to prevent the next infection.

 

I've had pneumonia. It at most affects 5% of one side of the lungs. I've had it twice. The second time I've barely survived. This thing affects 30% of BOTH sides. Imagine you get it again a few months later. Lungs don't just fix themselves up.

 

So yes, only old and those with pre-existing conditions are dying. But those that survive, are likely to have pre-existing conditions the next time they get infected 6 months later. Ever considered that part?

[lagavulin1]

4 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yes, like virtually all Americans, I have interests. A strong economy is in the interest of everyone.

 

Frankly, I'm not sure what to make of your comment about the rich. Well, I will say this. It appears your hatred of the rich may be so intense, you're willing to let everyone's lives go to <deleted> over it. I don't agree with that approach. The rich get richer because they continue to do that which makes them rich. The poor get poorer because they continue to do that which makes them poor.

 

I've been very poor in my life. Once I decided my life was my responsibility (i.e. not blaming or hating rich people for what they have) and concentrated on improving my life, my life improved dramatically. I challenge you to show me anyone who improved their life by focusing on the rich or other people they hate instead of concentrating on achieving their own goals, successes and improvements to their life.

 

 

You are really off the plot. You, you you. I understand that. 

Seven billion people are living and using resources against a calculated 3 billion sustainable. Profits are going to you & me? World is going down. I'm sorry you were poor & fighting to retain that. I was also but new times are ahead. My phone is empty. If you have further comments I'll pick them tomorrow. 

P. 

[Sujo]

29 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yes, like virtually all Americans, I have interests. A strong economy is in the interest of everyone.

 

Frankly, I'm not sure what to make of your comment about the rich. Well, I will say this. It appears your hatred of the rich may be so intense, you're willing to let everyone's lives go to <deleted> over it. I don't agree with that approach. The rich get richer because they continue to do that which makes them rich. The poor get poorer because they continue to do that which makes them poor.

 

I've been very poor in my life. Once I decided my life was my responsibility (i.e. not blaming or hating rich people for what they have) and concentrated on improving my life, my life improved dramatically. I challenge you to show me anyone who improved their life by focusing on the rich or other people they hate instead of concentrating on achieving their own goals, successes and improvements to their life.

 

 

Again very good to see you dont agree with how trump has handled the issue.

[Tie Dye Samurai]

35 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Dr. Fauci is not an expert on economics. True or false?

We should listen to experts in their various fields on important matters. True or false?

Specifically, what have I posted that leads you to make the accusaiton that I don't know the difference between social and physical science?

Ok...*sigh*..."We should listen to experts in their various fields on important matters. True or False?

A: True so listen to Dr Fauci who is the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases since 1984 (the administrations of Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, W, Obama and now The Great Pumpkin) when he tells us that the virus is not contained and if people try to go back to normal too fast we risk..and follow me here....MORE INFECTIONS AND POSSIBLE DEATHS. The fact that his opinions on medical science...since he is an expert...can cause the collateral effect of ECONOMISTS making decisions that could take the economy where you do not want it to go...and follow me here Mr Bloodletting and Leeches...is NOT DR FAUCI MAKING ECONOMIC RECOMMENDATIONS. He has no control over the decisions being made economically (since states are opening up while the curve still on the rise nationally...which is going against his MEDICAL recommendations). 

 

By your warped logic of cause and effect I can just as easily...in fact more easily say that the economists and Pumpkin Head are making MEDICAL DECISIONS when they are not...well you know....DOCTORS OR MEDICAL EXPERTS.

 

So I put it to you...IS DONALD TRUMP A MEDICAL EXPERT? (based upon "Dr" Trump's prescription treatment of hydroxychloroquine, his thesis on disinfectant as a lung cleaner and bright light being shined on or better yet INSIDE the body to eradicate the Covid-19 virus...I am going to go out on a limb here and say "No...no Donald Trump is not a medical expert."

 

He cant even play one on TV.....

 

 

 

[Mayhem11]

Concerns about economic imperatives to health imperatives. Given the rampage of Covid 19 thru the US which has not reached its peak, why is this the the issue? In countries with minimal death rates, it may be an option. But not in the US. It is a tragedy unfolding!

[Maybole]

16 hours ago, UbonThani said:

what science?

the virus kills old and sick

 

The child gets infected at school. It may be so mild as to be unnoticed, but in may infecct Grandpa and Granny who are more vulnerable.

[candide]

2 hours ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

wow...you dont know the difference between physical science and social science (and dont try to deny it because you just outed yourself)....unbelievable... a physical scientist (in this case a physician and immunologist) isnt trying to dictate economics....he is making scientific recommendations to social scientists (economists) and they make choices that effect economics which is an entirely different thing...just because the word "SCIENCE" is used doesnt mean it is all the same thing...and as far as "using" emotions....he is presenting facts and those facts are being processed by others emotionally (like you) that do not know what they are talking about (like you). Your arguments, by the way, are also social science (erisology) and you sir are the leaches and bloodletting of that particular science.

Exactly. That's Fauci's job to make health recommendations and economist's job is to make economic recommendations Then politicians must balance both aspects, make decisions and be accountable for it.

 

But not with Trump. He does not want to be accountable. He wants Fauci to downplay risks so that he (Trump) cannot be hold accountable for pushing openings, in case it goes wrong.

[Crazy Alex]

Just now, candide said:

Exactly. That's Fauci's job to make health recommendations and economist's job is to make economic recommendations Then politicians must balance both aspects, make decisions and be accountable for it.

 

But not with Trump. He does not want to be accountable. He wants Fauci to downplay risks so that he (Trump) cannot be hold accountable for pushing openings, in case it goes wrong.

Please back up your claim of knowing what Trump wants Fauci to do.

[bendejo]

18 hours ago, Somtamnication said:

Sorry, Mr. Pres.  You cannot argue with science and 40 + years of experience in this field. You cannot inject "alternate facts" into this one!

Yes he can, and has done, and will continue to do as long as he can speak or tweet.  And 45% of the US population is dumb enough to believe whatever he says.  IMO opinion it is they who are the problem.  Never thought I'd find any wisdom coming from the mouth of Howard Stern, but that tells you something about the times we're living in.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/12/howard-stern-mocks-donald-trump-voters-people-trum/

 

Truly surprised Fauci hasn't been sacked yet, but today just might be the day.