Protests, looting erupt in Minneapolis over racially charged killing by police

[Logosone]

"Before protests began in New York City, organizers of anarchist groups began raising money for bail, recruited medical teams to deploy for violent interactions with police and planned how to target high-end stores, said John Miller, the NYPD’s deputy commissioner of intelligence and counterterrorism.

Scouts on bicycles would also move ahead of the groups to report where the police would be and then direct small breakaway groups to areas where they could torch police cars or throw Molotov cocktails, Miller said."

 

https://apnews.com/32bc90566697388645f01675359dcad1

 

[Logosone]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Sad you're missing reality here.

Clearly you're missing reality here. The evidence is all over the place. Far left antifa and anarchist groups directed and caused some of the violence.

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Clearly you're missing reality here. The evidence is all over the place. Far left antifa and anarchist groups directed and caused some of the violence.

From your own source, and this is the crux of the matter for 2 reasons: the federals preferring not to look at the far right, and the fact that both extremes, left and right, are involved.

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As demonstrations spread from Minneapolis to the White House, New York City and overseas, federal law enforcement officials insisted far-left groups were stoking violence. Meanwhile, experts who track extremist groups also reported seeing evidence of the far-right at work.

 

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Clearly you're missing reality here. The evidence is all over the place. Far left antifa and anarchist groups directed and caused some of the violence.

Sure they did, and so did the right extremist groups. End of this discussion for me, I have proved my point clearly and with links, links you're selectively quoting and ignoring what you don't like.

[Logosone]

Just now, stevenl said:

From your own source, and this is the crux of the matter for 2 reasons: the federals preferring not to look at the far right, and the fact that both extremes, left and right, are involved.

 

Look, I come from a country that has a huge experience of Antifa violence. They are violent, they want revolution and they are extremists with nothing to lose. It was them that started turning these justifiable protests into orgies of destruction, burning and chaos.

 

The evidence for this is overwhelming. Yes, there were also some far right extremists involved, but by far the greater amount of destruction and violence goes on the antifa account. The evidence is clear. Of course leftists want to obfuscate this very obvious fact by pointing to fringe right wingers. But on the ground the people involved were Antifa and Anarchist groups, many mayors and many investigators on the ground provide evidence for this.

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Look, I come from a country that has a huge experience of Antifa violence. They are violent, they want revolution and they are extremists with nothing to lose. It was them that started turning these justifiable protests into orgies of destruction, burning and chaos.

 

The evidence for this is overwhelming. Yes, there were also some far right extremists involved, but by far the greater amount of destruction and violence goes on the antifa account. The evidence is clear. Of course leftists want to obfuscate this very obvious fact by pointing to fringe right wingers. But on the ground the people involved were Antifa and Anarchist groups, many mayors and many investigators on the ground provide evidence for this.

As I said "End of this discussion for me, I have proved my point clearly and with links, links you're selectively quoting and ignoring what you don't like.".

[jimmyswale]

3 hours ago, Morty T said:

Passing counterfeit $20 bills

The US treasury is printing plenty of them now with their multi-trillion dollar bailouts magicked out of thin air. 

[Logosone]

"Seattle Antifa violence ruined a peaceful Justice for George Floyd protest

 

What started as a peaceful Justice for George Floyd protest in Seattle turned violent thanks to fringe Progressive and Antifa activists."

 

https://mynorthwest.com/1902003/rantz-seattle-antifa-violence-ruined-a-peaceful-george-floyd-protest/

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

Whether you think Trump is irresponsible or not, obviously he is, is hardly the point.

 

There are people breaking into businesses stealing TVs, left wing extremists escalating the violence and burning cars.

 

How is this not more irresponsible, more pressing and more causative to this chaos?

Never said it wasn't. The rioting and looting has to stop but having an imbecile in the WH makes it so much harder.

[Phoenix Rising]

'No Blame?' ABC News finds 54 cases invoking 'Trump' in connection with violence, threats, alleged assaults

 

'ABC News could not find a single criminal case filed in federal or state court where an act of violence or threat was made in the name of President Barack Obama or President George W. Bush.'

 

 

[Saint Nick]

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Edited June 1, 2020 by Saint Nick

[TopDeadSenter]

18 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

ABC News could not find a single criminal case filed in federal or state court where an act of violence or threat was made in the name of President Barack Obama

Off the top of my head, Obama threatening the poor Brits that they would be at the back of the queue for trade deals with the US if they voted Brexit was a clear threat. It was also a lie. Next.....

[RobFord]

On 5/29/2020 at 8:03 AM, DoctorG said:

Even if what you say is true, is it an excuse for burning and looting?

The (lawfully) heavily armed white folk in Michigan were protesting peaceably. 

555. Nothing says peace like an automatic weapon. 

[simple1]

2 hours ago, Logosone said:

"Before protests began in New York City, organizers of anarchist groups began raising money for bail, recruited medical teams to deploy for violent interactions with police and planned how to target high-end stores, said John Miller, the NYPD’s deputy commissioner of intelligence and counterterrorism.

Scouts on bicycles would also move ahead of the groups to report where the police would be and then direct small breakaway groups to areas where they could torch police cars or throw Molotov cocktails, Miller said."

 

https://apnews.com/32bc90566697388645f01675359dcad1

 

Why did you ignore the multiple references to far right groups in the article?

[Phulublub]

1 hour ago, TopDeadSenter said:

1 hour ago, Phoenix Rising said:

ABC News could not find a single criminal case filed in federal or state court where an act of violence or threat was made in the name of President Barack Obama

Off the top of my head, Obama threatening the poor Brits that they would be at the back of the queue for trade deals with the US if they voted Brexit was a clear threat. It was also a lie. Next.....

The reaching is getting extreme now...which bit of Obama warning (threatening if you wish) the UK would be at the back was criminal? Where was the case filed?  What was the violence ?

 

PH

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Why did you ignore the multiple references to far right groups in the article?

Because they don't fit his narrative. Hence my post "Sure they did, and so did the right extremist groups. End of this discussion for me, I have proved my point clearly and with links, links you're selectively quoting and ignoring what you don't like.",

[Phulublub]

3 hours ago, Logosone said:

Obviously the protests about George Floyd were fanned by left wingers as the Black Lives matter agenda is a left wing one, not a right wing one.

 

Indeed the federal authorities are already investigating left wing extremist groups:

 

"Federal law enforcement officials tell CNN they are aware of organized groups who are seeking to carry out the property destruction and violence, using the cover of the legitimate protests in Minneapolis and elsewhere. Those domestic extremist groups include anarchists, anti-government groups often associated with far-right extremists and white supremacy causes, and far-left extremists who identify with anti-fascist ideology."

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/outside-influence-extremists-riots-us/index.html

Left wing, left wing, left wing you chant and chant and chant - and even back it up with numerous selective quotes, with even more selective highlighting.  From your OWN quote above, with different highlighting:

 

Those domestic extremist groups include anarchists, anti-government groups often associated with far-right extremists and white supremacy causes, and far-left extremists who identify with anti-fascist ideology."

 

Thank you for making my point for me.

 

PH

 

[jimmyswale]

Protests in 75 cities now - Trump sort this mess out pdq. The buck stops with you. You are the leader. This is what his poorly attended inaugural Presidential address 'American Carnage' looks like. 

Edited June 1, 2020 by jimmyswale

[Logosone]

15 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Left wing, left wing, left wing you chant and chant and chant - and even back it up with numerous selective quotes, with even more selective highlighting.  From your OWN quote above, with different highlighting:

 

Those domestic extremist groups include anarchists, anti-government groups often associated with far-right extremists and white supremacy causes, and far-left extremists who identify with anti-fascist ideology."

 

Thank you for making my point for me.

 

PH

 

So you're a quoting a quote of mine which includes reference to the right wing violence to show that I did not refer to right wing violence. That's funny.

 

The reason why I emphasize left wing violence is because there is considerably more and clearer evidence that it was antifa and anarchist groups that were directing and exacerbating the violence. 

 

This is a well known Antifa tactic, to jump on legitimate protests and hijack them to cause chaos by creating wide spread destruction and violence.

[RobFord]

On an aside our twelve year old daughter has said “let me breath” three times in a sing song voice over the last two days. I asked her where she’d heard that and she said, “it’s all over TikTok”, with a wave of her arm. 
TikTok. Just so you know the Chinese are absolutely loving this. Flush the turd November third. 

[metisdead]

A post using a trolling reference to POTUS and containing an obscene reference to a social media site has been removed. 

[Crazy Alex]

10 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Depends who you consider the savages?

1) Police with guns killing black folk for no reason, or

2) Black people trying to escape the police oppression.

 

(I'd probably run and hide from both sides)

The likelihood of one of the rioters being a savage versus the police officers is exponentially higher. I of course believe at least one and probably four cops murdered Floyd. That is not justification to burn down entire cities.

[Crazy Alex]

19 minutes ago, RobFord said:

On an aside our twelve year old daughter has said “let me breath” three times in a sing song voice over the last two days. I asked her where she’d heard that and she said, “it’s all over TikTok”, with a wave of her arm. 
TikTok. Just so you know the Chinese are absolutely loving this. Flush the turd November third. 

Local issue, Trump has nothing to do with it.

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, Phulublub said:

Left wing, left wing, left wing you chant and chant and chant - and even back it up with numerous selective quotes, with even more selective highlighting.  From your OWN quote above, with different highlighting:

 

Those domestic extremist groups include anarchists, anti-government groups often associated with far-right extremists and white supremacy causes, and far-left extremists who identify with anti-fascist ideology."

 

Thank you for making my point for me.

 

PH

 

As with virtually all riots, the left owns this 100%.

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

Why did you ignore the multiple references to far right groups in the article?

Obviously, because leftists own the actual topic 100%.

[Crazy Alex]

4 hours ago, sqwakvfr said:

1) Protest “No Justice, No Peace”

2) The Police are the root of all Evil in Society

3). The police and the justice system need reform.

4) Block Traffic

5). Okay time to go shopping and it’s Free.

 

Saw this in 1992.  The major difference was back in 1992 30 Million were not unemployed and the people had not been locked down for 60 days.  The reason for the protest(as in the past) has been misplaced.  

 

I hope at least the California National Guard brings ammunition this time(they failed to do so in 1992 and did not do much).  Also, the Department of Defense had a contingent present in case local enforcement could not regain control.  The same type of contingency is present today. These types of “Protests” will occur again because America is the most diverse nation in the world.  Therefore, it has been and always be the most Divisive and Divided Nation in the world.  

I remember 1992 vividly, as I lived in an LA suburb at the time. They actually announced to the public the National Guard would have weapons but no ammo!

[Crazy Alex]

4 hours ago, Logosone said:

"Before protests began in New York City, organizers of anarchist groups began raising money for bail, recruited medical teams to deploy for violent interactions with police and planned how to target high-end stores, said John Miller, the NYPD’s deputy commissioner of intelligence and counterterrorism.

Scouts on bicycles would also move ahead of the groups to report where the police would be and then direct small breakaway groups to areas where they could torch police cars or throw Molotov cocktails, Miller said."

 

https://apnews.com/32bc90566697388645f01675359dcad1

 

Stacks of bricks have been found placed around Dallas, at least one with molotov cocktails. It's entirely orchestrated.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, jimmyswale said:

Protests in 75 cities now - Trump sort this mess out pdq. The buck stops with you. You are the leader. This is what his poorly attended inaugural Presidential address 'American Carnage' looks like. 

Forget about leadership from him.

There is no there there.

All he ever does is make things worse, inflame, divide, and deflect.

 

 

Again this is not happening in a vacuum.

 

There is the important context. Fareed is more optimistic than me but he covers the context well. 

 

 

[Crazy Alex]

3 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Never said it wasn't. The rioting and looting has to stop but having an imbecile in the WH makes it so much harder.

Yes of course it's Trump's fault people are rioting.

[Phulublub]

1 minute ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yes of course it's Trump's fault people are rioting.

No it isn't. 

 

But rather than fan the flames, he ought to try and calm the situation. 

 

PH